Israeli Mayor wants East Jerusalem youths shot for stone-throwing

Israel isn't occupying it's own realm. West Bank has not recognized by the world as Israeli territory((with Jerusalem and Golan Heights annexations not recognized by other countries including allies neither was Jordanian annexation of West Bank which means that West Bank belongs to the residents of the West Bank) nor has it ever been Israeli territory since West Bank wasn't part of Israel after it was recognized after their fight for independence with Israel's representative to the U.N. Security Council stating that its territory was "the area outlined in the map appended to the resolution of 29 November 1947, as constituting the area assigned to the Jewish state", map referring to was UN partition plan which didn't include West Bank as areas assigned to Jewish state. Israeli Supreme Court in 1950 also ruled "The territory of the state of Israel does not coincide with all the territory under the former mandate." Under international law Israel is an occupying power in the West Bank which means 1907 Hague Regulations and 4th Geneva convention apply. ICJ, UNSC, international red Cross, all E.U. member states, legal adviser to Israeli foreign ministry after 6 day war; Theodore Meron(he wrote a memo saying settlements are illegal under 4th Geneva Convention with legal adviser to state department a decade later writing similar opinion), and Israeli Supreme Court(they rule that Israel is an occupying power however claims 4th Geneva convention doesn't apply since it's contractual not customary international law which requires knesset legislation to be applicable while 1907 Hague Regulations which defines what occupation is; is customary international law,note that 4th Geneva Convention is considered customary international law and Israel is also a signatory of the convention) all say that Israel is an occupying power. Even Ariel Sharon has said "You cannot like the word, but what is happening is an occupation -- to hold 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation. I believe that is a terrible thing for Israel and for the Palestinians". Note that all those sources above are not Arab and in the case of Israeli Supreme Court, Theodore Meron, and Ariel Sharon all of them Israeli sources.
https://books.google.com/books?id=x...urt settlements 4th geneva convention&f=false
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/16/opinion/la-oew-scobbie17-2009dec17
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/26/mideast/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/16/AR2009061603285.html

 

Causing serious injury or death from throwing stones at people?

That looks very easy to me.

Do you have any actual argument at this point?

 

Once again <b a l o n e y>... If the above has any validity then the Japanese Kuril Islands should be returned to Japan...
The Chinese should return Tibet.
The Malvinas should be returned to Argentina.
The Crimea to the Ukraine.
Morocco should return two cities to Spain...
Etc., etc., etc... I wonder whom do you represent writing all that scatology against Israel.

 

How many tanks have to faced with only a stone for a weapon. Several by the tone of your bravado.

 

This topic is about punishment of Palestinians by Israelis in East Jerusalem, not Morocco.

 

No one recognizes Russia taking Crimea away from Ukraine and their annexation of Crimea. The same goes for Tibet. Laws of occupation apply in both cases as they are occupying powers. The falkland islands(reading about it when it was first discovered in 1700's it was uninhabited with French, Spanish, and British settlements built shortly afterwards) came under British control in 1800's which is before 1907 Hague and 1948 Geneva Convention laws. I don't know you mean by Morocco should return two cities to Spain(Visgoth cities that were taken by the Moors? if that is the case that would have been around 10th century if not before when Moors invaded Spain again that would have been before Hague and Geneva Conventions) .

"I wonder whom do you represent writing all that scatology against Israel."
I'm just stating facts which including evidence from Israeli side that it's occupation. Facts you didn't bother to address. I support the Israel within green lines which is one of the most if not the most successful democratic societies to emerge after WW2(again this is within green lines), however I don't support Israel turning into a bi-national or apartheid state which is what the occupation guarantees. Again most of Israel's top security experts like former Shin Bet heads say this.

 

Well we are the new generation of Israelis and we do not want to give a hand to murderers that slaughtered Jews in their home at night while sleeping... You on the OTH want to perpetuate that slaughter... it is no longer the wish from your part to be evenhanded but rather you have made amply clear through your lowly writings that you would prefer Jews/Israelis to roam the world rather than be independent.

Bibi said it well ... those that hit us will be hit in return... I wonder then if Iran will be around in 25 years! For Israelis do a neat job when they follow through in <self preservation>!!!

 

"Well we are the new generation of Israelis and we do not want to give a hand to murderers that slaughtered Jews in their home at night while sleeping... You on the OTH want to perpetuate that slaughter."
Both sides have committed atrocities during the conflict. After all Israel elected Ariel Sharon in 2001 who as unit 101 commander did that at Bureij refugee camp in Gaza during 1953 and Qibya. Also since end of second intifada most attacks in West Bank has been low with most of them lone gunmen attacks and Abbas was negotiating for a Palestinian state getting months away from a deal(both sides agree on that) with Olmert during 2008, however ran out to solve the differences in negotiations positions with Bibi refusing to go back to point of 2008 talks. Also you accuse me for wanting the slaughter to continue when occupation guarantees that there will be violence. When settlers attack Palestinians generally with impunity(399 cases of settler attacks 93 of them in which Palestinians were injured and 306 property damaged roughly for each year from 2009 to 2013, in a Yesh Din study 90% of hundred of cases examined did not led to indictments, 96% of investigations involving trespassing did not lead to an indictment, 100% of cases examined involving property offenses were closed without indictments, and 79% of assault cases examined were closed without indictment, ), when settler leaders of Itamar, Yitzhar, and Kiryat Arba(chief rabbi for yeshiva there in a rabbical ruling said Baruch Goldstein who massacred 29 Palestinians in 1994 is holier than victims of the holocaust) all are authors of or have endorsed King's Torah which allows non Jews to be killed including children, when Palestinians are restricted in building with 70% of area C completely barred from Palestinians to build in due to classifying it as state, survey, nature reserve etc. lands, when Palestinians are rarely permitted to build due to low approval rating(5.6% approval for permits between 2000-2012 and 1 permit approved in 2014) and low master plans approved(to date 90% of villages in area C have not had master plans approved by Israel, few plans approved cover one half of one percent of total land area of area C), when Palestinian buildings are often destroyed as a result of these restrictions(509 in West Bank including East Jerusalem displacing 1,177 people, in January of this year Israel destroyed 77 building displacing 110 people roughly half of them children), when Palestinians are under control of military court system that most agree is unjust where Palestinians have a 99.7% conviction rate, when Israeli soldiers are sometimes killing unarmed Palestinians where they didn't pose a threat and aren't punished like in the case of Saleh and Muhammad Qawarik; here is excerpt from the case
"The chain of events, leading to the moment in which an anxious soldier fired 29 bullets into the bodies of the two cousins, Saleh and Muhammad Qawarik, farmers who woke up early that morning to work their land, shows the null cost of Palestinian lives in the occupied territories. This involves the dubious initiative of a settler with a vast criminal record, one hyperactive shooter and three soldiers who do not remember anything, having managed to miss all 29 shots.",
and when you have a Jerusalem marked by inequality and building restrictions(areas that could grow Palestinian neighborhoods are expropriated for Israeli neighborhood and public infrastructure and undeveloped areas are classified as open landscapes or parks which also restrict Palestinian neighborhoods) along with several Arab neighborhoods attached to Jerusalem denied basic services like trash, education and health care due to being to outside fence and part of area C, as long as all the above is still happening, then there will be violence between Israelis and Palestinians with ending occupation the only way to stop the violence long term.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/magazine/13Israel-t.html?_r=0
http://www.globalresearch.ca/settle...ign-of-terror-on-unarmed-palestinians/5366169
http://imeu.org/article/state-sanctioned-incitement-israels-extremist-rabbis
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/palestinians-west-bank-demolition_55af1787e4b0a9b94852fa25
http://www.btselem.org/topic/planning_and_building
http://www.yesh-din.org/userfiles/file/Reports-English/SemblanceofLawfullreportEng.pdf
http://972mag.com/conviction-rate-for-palestinians-in-israels-military-courts-99-74-percent/28579/
http://972mag.com/license-to-kill-why-did-the-idf-shoot-the-qawarik-cousins-29-times/106767/
http://972mag.com/special/license-to-kill/
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...-palestinian-areas-municipality-services.html
http://www.ir-amim.org.il/en/issue/urban-planning

Btw I never said I supported Iran and would hope that within 25 years from now if not sooner the regime is overthrown.

"You on the OTH want to perpetuate that slaughter... it is no longer the wish from your part to be evenhanded but rather you have made amply clear through your lowly writings that you would prefer Jews/Israelis to roam the world rather than be independent."
Are you going to say any facts or are you just going to spew falsehoods. Like I said before
"I support the Israel within green lines which is one of the most if not the most successful democratic societies to emerge after WW2(again this is within green lines), however I don't support Israel turning into a bi-national or apartheid state which is what the occupation guarantees. Again most of Israel's top security experts like former Shin Bet heads say this."
Btw do you hold the same views of Ehud Barak, Yaakov Peri, Ami Yadlan, Carmi Gillon, Moshe Dayan who shortly before he died founded the party Telem which called for withdrawal from the territories, etc? Do you think they want Jews(which would include themselves) to roam the world rather than be independent? Do you think Israeli patriots that have served Israel faithfully for several years in the highest positions of Israeli security establishment want to
"perpetuate that slaughter... it is no longer the wish from your part to be evenhanded but rather you have made amply clear through your lowly writings that you would prefer Jews/Israelis to roam the world rather than be independent."
If you sincerely think so, than why do you have such a lowely view of Israelis that have served your country and how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
https://books.google.com/books?id=Y...he dayan telem withdrawal territories&f=false

 

Four Palestinian youths were indicted Sunday for throwing stones in Occupied East Jerusalem. There has been much tension since the recent invasion of the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, the third holiest site in Islam, by Israeli police. The four youths, two 18 and 19 years of age, and two minors, 16 and 14, are residents of various parts of East Jerusalem. A new Israeli law, demanded by the Israeli mayor of Jerusalem (including Occupied East Jerusalem), allowing stone-throwing youths and children to be shot dead is awaiting Benjamin Netanyahu's signature.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/4-palestinian-teens-indicted-for-throwing-stones-in-jerusalem/

 

Yes, a new order for execution without trial particularly for minors and young adults will shortly be signed by Israelinazi Netanyahu. It says 'when civilian lives are in Danger' but we know that simply means execute the youngster and make an excuse.

I think the Israelis are getting near their end game. If left to follow it's natural means Israel would be defeated by non violent means but they will not have that, they I think are going for the religious war which they have been working on for a very long time.

Between them the US neo cons and Israel are destroying this world.

Now their next provocation is to rename the streets in Palestinian East Jerusalem with Jewish names against the view of the Supreme Court which now that we are getting near the final solution will be left more and more out of things.

http://972mag.com/east-jerusalem-streets-given-hebrew-names-amid-tensions/111873/

Netanyahu no doubt will be hoping that this gets a lot of young teens throwing stones so that he can have mass executions.

 

Bunk... this is a lot of bunk... come visit I will take you around.

 

never mind, I am thinking positive this week ...ummm ummm ummm

 

Israeli border police have been instructed not to be too trigger-happy with children and youths throwing rocks in East Jerusalem, until they receive proper training on how to take aim with American-made .22-caliber Ruger sniper rifles.
Shooting children and youths has been happening for decades in the West Bank but it has not been the practice in East Jerusalem because this area was illegally annexed as part of israel. With the recent invasion of the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound by Israeli Border Police, young people there have been resisting the violation of Islam's third holiest site. Now the Israeli Defense Minister, Moshe Ya&#8217;alon, is saying the option to use live fire against protestors should be afforded to police in East Jerusalem as well.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/police-to-hold-fire-against-rock-throwers-pending-training/
I suppose the thinking is that since killing Palestinians has worked so well in Gaza and the West Bank, it should be the norm in East Jerusalem too.

Moshe Ya&#8217;alon who wants East Jerusalem killings to be stepped-up

 

if Israel starts murdering Palestinian kids who throw stones, they will face widespread boycotts.

 

Don't believe it, Ronstar.

 

Israel will not fall rather long prior to that Palestine will suffer the most. I for one certainly don't wish to see Palestinians suffer more than they are at the moment.

 

Well the boycott is certainly growing. My feeling is that that is why Israel is I think moving into her end game. The main thing which stops more protests is that we simply do not hear about such things unless like people on this forum we take the time to look. Some years ago the BBC used to report pretty much daily on what was going on with the Palestinians. It ended after the Israelis stopped us reporting followed by the BBC appointing a Director who was a Zionist coupled with their reporter in Gaza being kidnapped. So people do not hear. I don't think they care to report any Israeli misdeeds in the US. We only hear when Israel does a massive air and/or ground attack and we know that that results in uproar from the people. People simply do not know that for the Palestinians it is still hell when Israel is not using ten ton bombs on civilians.

This morning another teenage Palestinian was shot dead by the Israelis for no reason whatsoever apart from her not understanding Hebrew. Further they laughed about it afterwards, the settlers gleefully took photos of the dying girl and they deliberately kept her from getting to hospital quickly which might have saved her. When after some time an Israeli ambulance arrived they dragged the dying girl by the feet to it. Even though the Israelis have not yet been given the go ahead to kill every child who lifts a stone, Palestinian youths are already being regularly killed by Israeli's. It is just the world does not hear about it. It is antisemetic to acknowledge it.



Lest we forget

 

Alexa, if the western democracies have not declared Israel a pariah state by now, it is not going to happen. America calls the shots on this one. The English do what the Yanks do and Germany has to prove to the world that it has not been Antisemitic for the past 70 years and choose to make no distinction between Antisemitism and criticism of Israel. The Israelis do as they please regardless of world opinion as long as the United States afford them political cover at the UN Security Council and their taxpayers subsidize their belligerence to the tune of $3 billions + annually.

 

I am aware of that. That being said BDS has hit the US big time and Churches are starting to support it. The EU is even beginning to. BDS could work with Israel just like it worked in South Africa. However I think because Israel knows this they are intending on getting rid of the Palestinians one way or another as soon as possible using also ISIS as camouflage.

but back to what I said. I simply said if people knew what was going on our governments would not be able to continue. Not sure where you live but people from every walk of life in the UK get onto the Government when Israel starts her annihilation of Gaza.

Germany I would agree is holding things back. It appears to have become somewhere where it is not possible to have free speech on Israel...but Germany will move. Merkle was lied to enough by Netanyahu during the Palestinian State time that she knows he is not trustworthy. Germany may never allow talk about Israel but it does not mean she does not know what is going on and will not act when necessary...well maybe I am being too kind.

The problem does come from the US neo cons who encouraged Israel not to come to an agreement with the Palestinians

https://view.officeapps.live.com/op...du/group/peace/docs/march5th/BeninSanJose.doc

this went on to the Iraq war and from there the UK Labour Party who had promised the UK electorate that they were going to tell the US in no uncertain terms that a deal must be done did an about turn. They did what the States and Israel did which goes on with part of the intent on the Iraq war. Hamas became a terrorist group akin to AlQaeda instead of us recognising that the Palestinian people have been oppressed longer than any other in the world and despite the fact that an ex member of MI6 with massive experience of working in conflict situations had been paid by the EU, then working for a negotiated settlement in reality please note, had found Hamas people who they could work with and hopefully come up with a workable settlement with. All stopped at this point because the UK under Blair managed to get Germany to agree to pretend that Hamas's political wing were the same as Al Qaeda. The decision then by Britain and the EU was to forget about any negotiated settlement and to allow Israel to deal with them by military means as we have seen. Also for Israel to build more prisons to put political prisoners in.

This is the neo con and Israel way....and this is the way the UK took on under Blair and then encouraged first Germany and then the rest of the EU to follow.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n05/alastair-crooke/permanent-temporariness

It is though clear that many country's in Europe are not happy with this and even more citizens are not happy with how their governments are doing things. I think we are on the verge of change.

The fat lady has not stopped singing so it is not time to give up

 

I am residing in Spain nowadays, alexa, but I keep myself informed by reading various sites and reports from all over. I wish I could share your optimism.

 

There seems to be a change of opinion in the West particuarly United States with fewer people believing one has to support Israel unconditionally. This can be seen with Obama reportedly working with the French for a UNSC resolution passage of resolution was delayed due to deal with Iran, now that deal is done, UNSC resolution should pass within the next couple months. We will also have to see reactions to Abbas's announcement on the 28th to either declare Palestine an occupied state(it's territory, however still occupied) or hand the keys back to Israel and dissolve the PA(hopefully the latter).

 

I am not optimistic but I do think things are moving towards greater understanding of the situation of the Palestinians particularly among Americans and Christians and with Americans particularly among college students. This scares Israel as she correctly sees that these are the leaders of the future. In order to counteract that she is engaged on slurs of people supporting BDS and her supporters even started putting their names up on the internet saying this would be the end of them getting a job.

Apart from that we can see how the US along with Israel has totally (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up the ME. They can only think war. I guess from the neo con position this is because they want to show em that everyone must do what the US wants or suffer and of course from Israel's it is to get their land. Well we are at a sort of stale mate with Syria at the moment. Maybe something will come from that. I do not believe it will be possible to get stability in the ME till there is justice for the Palestinians. We could end up sorting things out. We could on the other hand end up with the Armageddon the Christian Zionists have been working for - either nuclear war or hell on earth for several generations.

 

Because of the Israel's brutal occupation of Palestine, it is difficult to to get rid of the poison and replace it with mutual respect.

 

I think respect really is something which has to be earned and yes the longer it has gone on and the worse it has got the harder it has become. However it is a fact that Israel will not be beaten militarily. If the worst came to the worst she would let off her nukes. However it works out would need to be just and would need some form of psychological healing. The Palestinian Israeli journal which did some workshops for the EU on this in 2009 suggested maybe something similar to the Truth and Reconciliation in South Africa. Actually I think when I look at it like this you may be right. I cannot see the extremist settlers able to do this but then again I would have said exactly the same about South Africa.

I know some research done a year or two ago found that if they interviewed Palestinians in a group they were not going to forgive the Israelis but when they interviewed them individually they said that if they could just have Justice, they could let go of the past. Obviously they would need to employ the very best people to work this out.

I did think that if it went by BDS what would happen would be that the rich and the talented would leave Israel, then probably most of those with another passport would too and then it would come to a time when the main people who would be left would be arab Jews so why not just make up. I am not sure there is a future for Israel. I think if she had gone with Oslo there might have been but after 67 they wanted too much or actually for a lot of them from the beginning but by no means all. I think it is a bit of a catch 22. Israel could have managed if she went back to pre 67 borders. She could in particular have managed if she had tried to be part of the ME rather than Europe/US there. I also think that people in Israel believe it cannot work but rather than accept that and say right what can we do to compromise and make it work - they have thought we have the military and the support of the west - to hell with the ME, forgetting they are part of it....and I think Israel is stuck there.

I know some Jews who were trying to think of how they could change things said Israel was stuck in crises mode. Because of that she has lost her sense of values. If she were able rather than thinking of when next to take more land or have what she calls a war with basically unarmed civilians, if instead she started to think about values, then her attitude might change and different things could become possible.

 

The <Land of Israel is [YES] occupied by belligerent Arabs who want to pull the carpet from under the <naive> readers [short of history and historical facts] using <takyah>=<deception> to reach a quasi goal...

The Land of Israel is not going to be decimated... soooooooooo keep on wishing!