Israeli Mayor wants East Jerusalem youths shot for stone-throwing

Stone-throwing Jewish youths not shot
Despite all the talk from the Israeli Mayor of Jerusalem, including Occupied East Jerusalem, and the Israel Defense Minister about the lethality of stones and how children and youths who throw stones should be shot, Jewish teens who were involved in several incidents of stone-throwing toward Palestinian vehicles during which a 12 year-old Palestinian boy was injured were not shot by Israeli Border Police. Six Jewish teens, however, were arrested.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.677201
I do not believe any of them will be sentenced to 20 years behind bars but I could be wrong.

 

Why would he even need to say it, there are plenty of examples caught on camera where kids were shot for throwing rocks and a few that were not but were too close to the action,, their tough luck I guess.

 

Bear in mind that the routine killing of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories by the Israel Defense Forces did not include East Jerusalem which is not under martial law by an occupation army as it has been annexed into Israel and under regular Israeli criminal law. Shooting Israeli children for throwing stones has not been on the statute books so to extend the practice to East Jerusalem smacks of an Apartheid system of justice.

 

Oh really? So they need to pass a Law to it make it Legal to shoot children, so many formalities, oh well, got to keep it all on the up and up and make sure no one is breaking the Law.

Good Grief mankind is Freakin Insane.

 

Again you spew falsehoods. The fact is Palestinians have resided in Palestine contentiously than vast majority of Israelis who either are Ashkenazi Jews who at the most have resided in Israel since first aliyah of the late 1800's or later(at time of first aliyah in 1882 8% of population in Palestine was Jewish, in 1517 1.7% population of Palestine was Jewish) or Mizrahi Jews who resided in Arab countries that fled/expelled from those countries after 48 war. In contrast part to majority of Palestinians are descended from residents of Palestine at time of Islamic conquest in the 7th century that were mostly Christian and some Jewish that converted to Islam.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/israel_palestine_pop.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine#cite_note-28
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_DellaPergola (author of demographic table in link above)
http://www.ibric.org/science/97now/00_10now/001030a.html
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf


If you favor keeping the West Bank, than why don't you want Israel to be a Jewish democratic state? If you favor complete annexation why don't you want a Jewish home as 40% of Israelis would be Arab? Or more likely you don't favor complete annexation, why don't you favor democracy and favor apartheid in the West Bank instead? Don't you want Israel to be a Jewish democratic state like Israel's founders Theodore Herzl and Israelis like David Ben Gurion, Moshe Dayan, and Ezer Weizmann fought for?

 

The Israeli cabinet has agreed to back legislation to allow live fire in any case in which lives are endangered; use of .22 Ruger sniper rifles against rock throwers; a minimum four-year prison sentence for rock throwers, including imprisonment and fines for minors aged 14-18; the cancellation of welfare benefits for minors in prison; and an evaluation of fining parents of children caught throwing stones 100,000 shekels ($26,000) under the new laws.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/ministers-okay-tougher-measures-against-stone-throwers/
The proposed law will apply only to those children and youths who throw stones at Israelis, not Israelis who throw stones at Palestinians.

 

Wonderful!!!! Israel has collected enough stones and bottles and now have decided to shower the rebels with their own weapons back. What a sight it will be...

 

Palestinian children to not use sniper rifles.


A Palestinian Child in the Crosshairs of an Israeli Sniper

 

Six million Jews could not even throw stones at the Nazis... Yet the German Nazis slaughtered them all.

If the Arabs stop throwing stones and Molotov cocktails at the IDF they will be still alive.

People that have a free ride on a ship, have no right to steer it!!!

 

Israel offered them Gaza, most of the West bank and much more but they turned it down in favor of more violence.

 

Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, are not Israel's to give.

 

I guess pulling out of Gaza so the Gazan's could import more rockets and build more tunnels instead of working on infrastructure, or pulling out of the West bank would mean Israel would still be hated by the likes of the antisemitic on this forum. I don't think Israel could do anything to calm their hate. The fact that there are a few on this forum that concentrate only on Israel while ignoring the atrocities in the Muslim countries while trying their darnedest to deflect from that pretty much makes my point. Or it could be the typical hatred of the successful by the left which also seems to be apparent on this forum. One or the other.

 

Israel has not pulled out of Gaza. The Israelis blockade Gaza by land, sea, and air, and periodically conduct massacres of children and ciilians there.

 

So, by your explanation then Egypt is occupying Gaza because they are doing the same thing to stop the flood of weapons into Gaza. You seem to think that is OK but only Israel is the enemy.

 

How generous of them, to offer them a fraction of what they stole from them in th first place

jewish generosity

 

The PA under Abbas West Bank hasn't returned to violence(while abuses against Palestininas like house demolition have continued even increased) since end of second intifada with attacks since then consisting of lone gunmen attacks. As mentioned before Abbas almost had a deal with Olmert agreeing to most of his conditions like annexation of settlement blocks except Ariel which sits on fertile land reserves, demilitarized borders, and all Jewish neighborhoods in East Jerusalem except Har Homa which begin during 1990's. Bibi since then has refused to go back to point of these talks. There is a partner there that is willing to negotiate with Bibi as long as they are genuine like Olmert negotiations were it would be wise if Bibi and the right actually take him up on that before it's too late.

 

New Law dehumanizes all Palestinians
The new series of proposed measures aimed at Palestinian children and youths who throw stones in occupied East Jerusalem are “a mere pretext to justify the escalating Israeli crimes against the people of Palestine,” said Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) chief negotiator, Saeb Erekat today.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/erekat-new-israeli-measures-against-stone-throwers-dehumanize-whole-nation/
The new law will be selectively applied to Palestinians only. In what way is this brutal occupation different from the former ally of Israel, Apartheid South Africa, it must be asked.


Saeb Erekat, Chief PLO negotiator

 

You mean that from time to time Hamas sets up shop in the middle of populated areas and deliberately targets Israeli women and children in terrorist attacks knowing full well that Israel, as any other nation would do, will inevitable conduct counter attacks that will at the very least place their people in danger.

And when the inevitable collateral casualties occur, even when they are the lowest in the history of warfare while operating in a built up area you blame Israel, not those who perpetrated the action that garnered the assured response.

I can see why hurling rocks at people is not seen as a crime that requires an appropriate response by yourself.

 

There were rockets before Israel left Gaza. They have been since 2001(with mortars and 2002 with rockets). During 2002-2004 years when Israel had full control of Gaza 416 rockets were launched and from 2001-2004 2,361 mortar shells were launched. Due to Hamas running a de facto state in Gaza they have stopped firing rockets since ceasefire ending operation pillar of defense in November 2012(exception was during July-August 2014 after Hamas cell in Hebron not acting on orders from central leadership kidnapped and killed three teenage settlers) with the rockets(74 during 2014 not including July and August during operation protective edge and 13 rockets so far this year, 13 mortar attacks during 2014 not including July August and no mortar attacks so this far year, both 2014 not including July-August and so far during this year have been lower than 2003 and 2004 when Israel had full control over Gaza) launched since then by ISIS aligned groups opposed to Hamas.
http://www.shabak.gov.il/English/EnTerrorData/decade/Rocket/Pages/default.aspx
http://www.shabak.gov.il/English/EnTerrorData/decade/Mortar/Pages/default.aspx
http://www.shabak.gov.il/English/EnTerrorData/Reports/Pages/default.aspx

" I don't think Israel could do anything to calm their hate. The fact that there are a few on this forum that concentrate only on Israel while ignoring the atrocities in the Muslim countries while trying their darnedest to deflect from that pretty much makes my point."
No one here is saying here Muslim countries aren't free of atrocities. Beside cutting off military aide to countries like Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, military aide both democrats and Republicans support there is not much else we can do since there is no secular democratic organized opposition. Israel is part of Western democratic camp and brutal occupation is not behavior of a modern Western democratic country. Again according to some of the Israelis themselves that were at highest security positions like Avraham Shalom have said
“[We’ve become] a brutal occupation force similar to the Germans in World War II," adds Avraham Shalom." we another former Shin Bet head Carmi Gillon adding
"We are making the lives of millions unbearable, into prolonged human suffering, [and] it kills me,”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...aust-survivor-compares-Israel-to-Nazi-Germany

"Or it could be the typical hatred of the successful by the left which also seems to be apparent on this forum. One or the other. "
Hatred of the successful by the left? The most successful people are often liberal. Warren Buffet and George Soros for example both multi billionaires that have been extremely successful in business. Another example is CEO of facebook Sherly Sandberg who is liberal and has been extremely successful in business due to stocks in facebook and other companies is worth 1 billion dollars. Most well known actors and creators including Matt Damon, Leonardo Decarpio, Kevin Spacey, Tom Hanks, Alec Baldwin, George Cloney, Robert De Niro, Seth McFarland, and Matt Groeing. Many musicians like lead singer of Everclear and Tom DeLonge of Blink 182. All of these people have been very successful in several areas whether business, acting, and music; and they are all liberal.

 

Logic has nothing to do with the disparity in hate for those that make money.

 

Well let me correct your statement...
Because there was never an <independent> Pal State... Israel is in its own realm.
Past PM Olmert offer has no meaning today, and I am happy the Arabs refused it... they can now eat crow!

It is like you stating that East Germany do not belong to the Bundestag... Please go open a book. I am practically sure you are advocating for the Arabs and you are an Arab living in Germany.

 

There is a Palestinian state now. As of 14 September 2015, 136 (70.5%) of the 193 member states of the United Nations and two non-member states have recognized the State of Palestine.

 

Wooptidoo... this is as fake as a three dollar bill.

 

Israel's Apartheid Freedom to kill Arabs

http://972mag.com/is-bibi-using-jlem-violence-as-an-excuse-to-target-bedouin/112063/

Israel is reaching the sewer in it's attempts to colonise Palestine. Laws for killing children now.

and of course they are after Al Aqsa and it's compound. They have already damaged the mosque. People who we are told are extremists go in to claim it as their own and shout obscenities. The Gov claims not to be going along with this but it's actions tell a different story. They send the IDF in with the defilers. Soon Israel will be murdering all they can inside the Compound and mosque and will Western civilians be told about it? - not unless they search and then most likely in a way which puts Israel as the poor me.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/clashes-erupt-al-aqsa-mosque-compound-israel-police-050918116.html#r9TLXDT

Great allies the West has - an apartheid state that kills children and defiles religions other than Judaism.

 

Amnesty International aregiving Israel the benefit of the doubt and calling this an extra judicial execution. I think it was murder.

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/hashlamoun-extrajudicial-execution

but there again I guess that is what extra judicial executions are the politically correct name for.