Why do you refuse to see the difference between late term abortion and abortion , they are two different things. Late term are done because of problems with the fetus.. WHY do you think women would wait as long as possible to have an abortion? That 's ridiculous. They don't.
NO ONE is comfortable with late-term abortions if the child or the mother have no health issue. This is the reason why that kind of late-term abortions are illegal and will remain illegal. They are very rare. . .but if/when they happen, and they get caught, it is considered a criminal act, not just a moral crime.
Oh stop it. It's done on healthy and non healthy because the fetus is not wanted. I understand baby parts from a healthy late term fetus brings a nice price....
YES, abortion is done on healthy and non healthy fetuses before 23 weeks and LATE TERM abortions are done to save the woman or because of fetal health. IF you have proof that women or doctors are doing illegal abortions call the police......but quit making idiotic claims that you cannot back up.. Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post Why do you refuse to see the difference between late term abortion and abortion , they are two different things. Late term are done because of problems with the fetus.. WHY do you think women would wait as long as possible to have an abortion? That 's ridiculous. They don't."""" Care to address the post of mine you quoted?????
That's about all ya can do with these Anti-Choicers and their lies and distortions....you'd think if they had a good case they could be honest about it
But a vast majority are not for maternal health but because that pregnancy has gone terribly tragically wrong and the foetus is so malformed that if it lives it will only be for a short while
Yeah $30 So what were they using those "body parts" for? Research into the cause of the malformation? Research? Harvesting stem cells for octogenarian republicans to extend their lives? transplant? I mean who gets to 8 months and decides "sod it I want to be skinny again I'll stop this pregnancy" and then march into the first OBGYN they find who says "Sure anything you want! Oh! And there is no fee because we can sell your baby's parts for more than we would get if we waited a couple of weeks and put it up for adoption - mind you I will be keeping that money and you will see none of it!" Does this make sense? Does it even BEGIN to make sense?
Please STOP IT. You are being so obvious. Document what you are saying at least. This "oh women are so holy, they would never get rid of a late term fetus because they view it a problem" crap is stupid. This really gets into women worship. When I research through google....the reasons for late term abortion are clear. Women want to get rid of the problem. They don't want the financial issues. They don't want to deal with it. They want things the way they were before they were pregnant. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/10/study-ids-reasons-for-late-term-abortions/?page=all https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/4521013.html Based on what is out there to see---most late term abortions are done for the same reasons early term abortions are done. They don't want a problem. Now you can sympathize with a poor woman living with an abusive man and having five children and suddenly finding she's pregnent, and can't or won't do anything about it until the baby is moving within her, is sucking its thumb and basically....looks pretty close to how it would be (albiet bigger) when its born. But I view it as the same thing when a newborn is born in toilet, stuffed in a trash bag and thrown out into the dumpster...which happens more often then anyone should be comfortable with. Its a friggin child by then......and promoting women to be homicidal is not a good feminist strategy.
Oh precious life! Who would refuse to give the gift of life when it only involved 3 more months of gestation? What type of person does that? Why are abortion supporters occupying themselves with so much energy trying to defend this? "A woman would never do that." Well okay, then why are you fighting so hard to keep this late option legal? Is it that you don't want to surrender any ground? or do you know that some women ARE going to do this, and you condone their actions.
Aren't you making the argument above that those abortions should not be restricted? I often have trouble getting a straight answer from those who on one hand support Roe vs Wade as the law of the land, and in the next sentence get all 'its a woman's right not to have to give birth and to do with her own body as she wishes' in the next breath. Roe did not provide for unrestricted abortion rights until the baby crowns. It allows states to tell women they cannot in the last trimester, unless there is a showing of risk.
Fetus body parts can bring in a hefty amount of money. Spleens can fetch $75, Livers $150, $125 for kidneys, a good brain specimen can bring in up to $1000. It really depends what the organ procurement agency is looking for at the time. With many abortion clinics running through 15-30 patients a day, and maybe out of those 4 of them are big enough to harvest, for the clinics who specialize in second trimester abortions this can mean some serious money. They prefer, and usually only buy, body parts from normal fetuses without defects. Fortunately for them, most of the big fetuses who get aborted do not have any abnormalities, despite what some pro-choicers may try to say. It may not be as common but there are all sorts of different reasons a woman could want to get an elective abortion late into her pregnancy. She might not have found out she was pregnant until later, she could be faced with an unexpected change in her life circumstances, her boyfriend who is the biological father of the child could have dumped her, I could go on and on. I showed you that one link sometime back about that couple who wanted an abortion because they found out their unborn child has a malformed left hand. We all know women can find an Abortion clinic doctor willing to perform elective abortions at 24 weeks. Most abortion doctors will not do it that late, but women can shop around until they find a doctor willing to do it. It might involve a plane ride somewhere a thousand miles away. An abortion clinic is not a medical facility in the conventional sense of the word, they are there to make money. The way they try to operate is more like a dental office. You are right, a woman going to a real hospital is probably going to have a hard time finding any doctor willing to perform an abortion past 12 weeks for purely elective reasons. You don't think this has ever happened? Look, if they have no problem performing an elective abortion at 14 weeks, they're probably not going to have any qualms about aborting at 16 weeks either. Maybe some abortion doctors care about women's health, but the ones who routinely perform late into the second trimester care about one thing only—the money. They don't care about women, and they don't give a damn about babies.
You sure seems to know A LOT about the black market of fetus cells! Part of your career? Or just a desperate search into propaganda? By the way, look at what you are saying: If it takes flying a thousand mile, to find a criminal doctor who will perform a late term abortion ILLEGALLY, you should realize that ONLY women who have plenty of money have access to that "luxury!" So that reduces even further the risk that such illegal abortions would happen. NO ONE agrees that this kind of criminal abortion should be legalize. . .you are just dramatizing and using very rare (and already illegal) exemples in an attempt to make a point about all abortions! That is silly. - - - Updated - - - So what? You really think it is beneficial for a child to be raised by a mentally ill mother who doesn't want the child?
Again, I will ask the same question as FoxHastings: WHAT CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND that these (very rare) kind of abortions are ALREADY restricted by the law? There will ALWAYS be people who BREAK THE LAW.. . .but that doesn't mean that the law as it exist is bad!
I will ask my question clearer. WHAT CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND? An argument about how rare these scenarios are or telling the world a truism about law breakers, does not speak to which version of abortion law you support - current law (Roe) which in fact restricts and compromises a woman's right to do with her body as she sees fit in the third trimester, or do you support a woman' right to choose regardless of what government claims is 'too late' unless a woman's health is in danger. Do not dodge or weave or hide behind the practicalities changing current law or how rare or unusual it is or try to predict my view because this isn't a trap. Just tell me if you would prefer if that right to an abortion were absolute without regard to the trimester test. Supporting Roe is not quite the same as supporting a 'woman's right to choose' Did Roe go as far as you think it should.
I never dodge. I have made clear that I support the CURRENT LAW that I believe is fair and makes sense, without interfering with women's right to choose. What I am totally against, is the continual drive by some so-called "pro-life" people to get rid of Roe/wade, and thus to infringe on women's right to choose. . . .and they do that by using an incredible small minority of abortions that are ALREADY illegal, if you leave Roe/wade alone!
We agree, but you still are finessing. Current law does interfere with a woman's right to choose, just not very damn often. If you support Roe, you support a compromise of a woman's right to do with her own body as she sees fit, even if it is not much of one, in practical terms. . I agree that a state interest does exist, and can supersede a woman's rights to abort in the third trimester. It just does not require physical torture a hour ofr for me to admit that I do. Most pro-choicers have a problem with their own rhetoric and their love of Roe. They talk in the same absolutist terms that pro-lifers do, and it is a mistake.
W H O is fighting to keep late term abortion legal??? No one I know. Some ARE fighting to keep Anti-Choicers from cutting the legal time limit to 24 HOURS which is what they'd do if they could. Ground WAS surrendered when the legal cut off was made to be 23 weeks. And I LOVE how you think pregnancy lasts only there months...
I would support NO laws on abortion but with freaks fighting so hard to make women into nothing but broodstock a compromise is the best to hope for and we still have to fight the freaks to maintain THAT....they will not rest until women are penned and sent through chutes to give birth. Having no abortion laws would change nothing, women will do what they have done since the first woman discovered what herb would get rid of her pregnancy. They will NOT "enjoy" 8 months of pregnancy just for the "pleasure" of having a late abortion....WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD ??????
Easy answer for me, abortion should have no restrictions what so ever, abortion should be and is a medical decision and as such left to the medical profession to decide on the best practice and rules .. just as it is in Canada, where their abortion rate is lower than the US.
Your last past to me totally ignored my point...which was that the above post you made is wrong. So I'm getting back to the the basis of our argument. The below links clearly show that the majority of women have the same reasons for abortion in the later months...as they do in the early months. So do you acknowledge your error? Neither one of the credible links below even mention abortions done because of problems with the fetus. Probably because it is such a tiny percent it didn't even show up. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/10/study-ids-reasons-for-late-term-abortions/?page=all https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/4521013.html
