Actually that is one study and it is at 20 weeks which is really mid term not late term I love how in the original Guttmacher study one of the reasons for abortion that late was domestic violence, which in the Washington post article become "disagreement with partner" - good journalism there At 20 weeks only 1.5% of all abortions - and most due to lack of access earlier in the pregnancy so if you are serious in decreasing the incidence the answer is to improve access to abortion earlier in the pregnancy
The FACT is many women will turn to illegal abortion if you ban the procedure. Abortion is just as prevalent in countries where it's illegal as in those where it's legal. There's a higher death rate from gestation and delivery than legal abortion. And I have personally watched a friend almost die from an illegal abortion. The fact that she didn't die is not a reason to ban the procedure. She suffered greatly from Pelvic Inflammatory Disease.
I hope she shares her story to discourage other women from getting illegal abortions. Even legal abortions can sometimes result in those problems too. I could tell you a long list of stories about women who my family members knew whose bodies ended up becoming ravaged from abortion, but here is not the place.
No, it isn't because your stories are just that stories with no proof or point. Wait, isn't it you who wants all abortions illegal so there's a greater chance of botched abortions?
Studies can show whatever you like. The law in the states show something differently. I am not going to get into an argument over what "studies" show versus what the law says. Late term abortions are only allowed when the life of the mother and/or child are severely impacted.
Pro-aborts do not consider any of those fetuses I showed in those videos "late term". Many of them wouldn't have even considered Churchmouse's nephew to be late-term. You think it's okay because it's not late enough into the pregnancy for you to consider it late-term?
Its one study documenting the reasons why women have late term abortions which is classified as past 20 weeks. They put it off...for one reason or another. You show me your documentation that backs up your previous statement below in blue: Late term abortions for healthy foetuses is a myth. Yes there are some cases but they are rare What woman waits eight months and THEN decides - 'why bother'?
We've covered that according to your links, women "put it off" because they don't have the money or they were unaware they were pregnant. That is only a tiny number of the after twenty weeks abortions, vastly more them are because of the health of the woman or fetus. Why do you want to think the worst of women?
Where is your data? Do you just say stuff because it sounds good? I'm simply asking you and the others who make likewise statements on this forum to back them up With something credible besides insults to those who don't believe you: Again--back up your statements or stop making them. Because according to Guttmacher---a pro abortion entity mind you, the abortion due to mothers health or health of the fetus simply doesn't exist in any measurable way. https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/4521013.html Results: Women aged 2024 were more likely than those aged 2534 to have a later abortion (odds ratio, 2.7), and women who discovered their pregnancy before eight weeks gestation were less likely than others to do so (0.1). Later abortion recipients experienced logistical delays (e.g., difficulty finding a provider and raising funds for the procedure and travel costs), which compounded other delays in receiving care. Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous. It is obvious that fetal health or health of the mother has nothing to do with late term abortion. Saying so is spreading untruthful propaganda.
Calling any abortion under 23 weeks "late term" is spreading untruthful propaganda..... And: Did you have a point?? Oh, I just found your point in your link: """CONCLUSION: Bans on abortion after 20 weeks will disproportionately affect young women and women with limited financial resources. "" Typical, making life harder for others....your goal as I stated much much earlier....
My goal is to get something from you and the others some data that backs up your own statements....but I guess your statements weren't based on facts so....it aint going to happen.
NO, unless you can state a POINT then, from your posts, I have to assume your goal is to make life harder for women because you don't like them.... Do you deny that abortion is legal up to 23 weeks and any abortion after 23 weeks is for the health of fetus or woman ? WHAT statements need backing up??
I do deny that. Some states have no restrictions at all. In colorado you can walk in during the third trimester and have it done. District of Columbia--no restrictions upto 26 weeks and actually---I think no legal restrictions at all.
Well then it's kind of meaningless to be saying "late term" abortions rarely ever happen, because abortions from 15-23 weeks happen with a fair degree of frequency, and that's still pretty late into the pregnancy.
Yes but how often is it done? Show me stats Meanwhile http://drhern.com/en/abortion-services/fetal-anomalies.html These were most commonly WANTED pregnancies and the termination was sought by the COUPLE - not the woman but both parents
20 weeks is not considered a late-term abortion by most of the medical community. Late-term for most doctors centres around viability where prior to 21 weeks there is no chance of survival where as after 27 weeks there is a huge chance of survival, everything in between those is a grey area. There are different definitions of what constitutes a late term abortion, but most definitions refer to abortions at or after 24 weeks or in the third trimester. The other point that requires clarifying, is where is the time measured from .. is it from LMP, Postfertilization, or Post-implantation. There are NO figures that detail abortion reasons after 23 weeks. In the UK figures produced show that on average 200,000 abortions are performed each year, of which less than 2 per cent of those were performed between 20 and 24 weeks and 136 after that time. or 0.068% of all abortions. If the US follows a similar pattern then of the average 1.2 million abortions performed each year 816 are performed over the 24 weeks period.
What is untruthful propaganda is attempting to project late-term abortion as anything other than on or over 24 weeks, when you have the data detailing the reasons for abortions on or after 24 weeks come back and let us know, until then you are just attempting to condense the reasons given for ALL abortions after 21 weeks as the reasons for abortions on or after 24 weeks. Lets look at some actual figures. 1.1 million abortions in 2011 of which 1.4% were performed on or after 21 weeks (15,399) making the assumption that the US has a similar percentage of abortions on or after 24 weeks (0.068%) as the UK that results in 748 abortions on or after 24 weeks, so it is easy to see that the reasons given for abortions on or after 21 weeks would reflect abortions between 21 weeks and 23 weeks and not abortions on or after 24 weeks ie even if everyone of the post 24 week abortions were for medical reasons it would not rank in the top five reasons for abortions post 21 weeks. I'd like to know why you ignore the 11% other in your top five reasons? 11% would place other at position 5 on the list.
Not quite true, while Colorado has no gestation time limit, an elective abortion is only available as an out patient up to week 26 (18 weeks & 6 days in Colorado's Planned Parenthood clinic - https://www.plannedparenthood.org/h...er/80207/denver-stapleton-3543-90210/abortion ) abortions after 26 weeks are for medical reasons. - - - Updated - - - nope, 15-23 weeks is not deemed a late-term abortion no matter how many times you try to make it true.
I posted: Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post Calling any abortion under 23 weeks "late term" is spreading untruthful propaganda.....""" That has NOTHING to do with the NUMBER or frequency...NOTHING at all.... 15-23 weeks is LEGAL ...and "pretty late" is not a scientific term or a legal term or a defining term or anything but your opinion...
The most logical reason for a woman waiting too long is the lack of local access to an abortion clinic. If she has to travel hundreds of miles to obtain an abortion then the ability to have an early term abortion is highly impractical. So why are those opposed to late term abortions also engaged in closing abortion clinics? That is counter-productive if the goal is to reduce late term abortions. Late term abortions can only be performed based upon a medical diagnosis. While the woman ultimately makes the decision the reason is always a valid medical diagnosis. Yes, any medical diagnosis where the doctor recommends an abortion will represent a "problem" for the woman.
Again, what is your point? in this whole debate what is your point? I can't even see a solid stance..... except you have no respect for women (if that's a stance)....
Fetal health or health of the pregnant woman has EVERYTHING to do with late-term abortion. Why do you think women are too stupid or too lazy or too whatever to get a desired abortion in a timely manner? http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_late.htm Third-trimester abortions: Medical intervention to terminate pregnancies during the third trimester is quite rare. The Alan Guttmacher Institute estimates that 1% of all medical terminations of pregnancies are done at or after 21 weeks - (1994 data). It is sometimes done when the fetus has died in the womb. Termination of the life of a fetus is generally prohibited by medical societies' regulations after the 20th or 21st week of gestation. Exceptions do occur if required to save the life of the woman or avoid very serious, disabling health consequences. e.g.: To save the life or health of a women experiencing a deteriorating health problem. This problem can rapidly grow worse with every day in late pregnancy, and can only be reversed by terminating the pregnancy. It is most often caused by diabetes or heart disease. A midwifery web site quotes Dr. William F. Harrison, a diplomate of the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology. 2 He wrote that "approximately 1 in 2000 fetuses develop hydrocephalus while in the womb." About 5,000 fetuses develop hydrocephalus each year in the U.S. This is not usually discovered until late in the second trimester. A fetus with severe hydrocephalus is alive, but cannot live for long; it will never achieve consciousness. In rare cases, the delivery of the fetus can go terribly wrong, threatening the life of the woman.
I highly doubt that. Legal abortion is many times safer than gestation and childbirth. If you truly know of so many women who had such problems after legal abortion, perhaps the health care system in your country leaves a lot to be desired. Of all the women I have known who had a legal abortion in my country, none have had negative physical affects.
