Margaret Sanger

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  1. phil white

    phil white Member Past Donor

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    You just posted the argument Bob Whitaker said you might. It's #1.
    "There is no such thing as the white race."

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfB_F936bU8"]WHITE GENOCIDE - YouTube[/ame]

    Listen to the video, wake up and smell the coffee.
     
  2. churchmouse

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    It is so low that statistically its not measurable. And yet those who hate pro-lifers will say that we get out of hand that we are violent people who scream hatred to those we disagree with. That is not true….we are the opposite of that.

    The woman needs the abortionist and hires the killing done. She is willing but she does not kill it. The doctors hands and actions kill it. They pull the trigger. The woman just hands them the gun.
     
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    What the gal in the video is describing, IMO, is a refusal of one group to assimilate with another group. This is happening in America because there is a large contingent of ILLEGAL ALIENS that have not studied our history, don't know our constitution and are here as CRIMINALS!!

    This is an INVASION by other CULTURES. To the extent that each culture identifies with a particular RACE is directly proportional to how RACIST THEY are. This is the very FIRST problem that must be solved. Borders, Language and Culture. Otherwise you ain't got a country.

    Why don't you concentrate on THAT angle because so far you are sounding like every other racist who calls everyone else the wrong color!!
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Aside from the eight people killed by anti-abortion terrorists the violence includes the following.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence


    Attempted murder, assault, and kidnapping
    According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[12]

    [edit]Anthrax threats
    The first hoax letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting; since then, there have been 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the "anthrax" in these cases was real.[13][39]
     
  5. phil white

    phil white Member Past Donor

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    My position is culture is used by a biological people to further their group welfare.
    Culture, such as an ax, needle, language or even cultural attitudes like love for children, support of marriage and education is a means to the end of group biological survival.
    Culture exist for the survival of the biological group/gene pool. The biological group is not a tool for the survivial of a particualr type of hand ax.

    I also don't think Mexican immigration is an invasion by gallon plastic water jugs. The water jugs are just tools they carry. The invasion is by a biological people.
    To say it is an invasion of a culture is equivalent to saying guns kill.
    No, a gun is a cultural tool. Physical people kill. Physical biological people also invade.
    Thanks for watching the video.
     
  6. phil white

    phil white Member Past Donor

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    The abortion terrorist need to learn a thing or two from we pro-white dissidents.
    Terrorism would only be useful if at all in the couple of years immediately preceeding a civil war.
    I think the left refers to the tactic of terrorism as "The Propaganda Of the Deed"
    Effective pro-white dissidents use Whitaker tactics. www.whitakeronline.org We don't attack physically or in our best form even verbaly. We just point out the incessant demonization of whites in the media and on going immigration/assimilation genocide of white's world wide.
     
  7. churchmouse

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    I totally believe what you said to be the truth. I live in Arizona, I know. These people that come here for whatever reason are breaking the law. And the current administration want to reward them for doing just that. Until we enforce the laws that are on our own books…nothing will work. The socialists in this country…mainly the Democratic Party…not only want the middle class to redistribute the wealth (that should not apply to the rich however) but they want to give amnesty to all those that are here…and force the American taxpayer to foot the bill not only for the moochers in our own country but for the world who want to come here and force us to learn their language.

    We are about our laws aren't we? Do we or should we reward those that break our laws? Why should we tote the load for the entire world? We don't do this right….we don't give enough….we are stingy…..we are cruel capitalists….I mean come on.

    You are right on with your assessment.
     
  8. churchmouse

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    And I seriously think that a civil war might not be back. It certainly would wake people up.
     
  9. churchmouse

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    OKgrannie


    Wow thats a lot….how many abortions performed,,,,50 million some?

    We are peaceful loving people and we act like it statistics show it.
     
  10. phil white

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    The Army War College (Nathan P. Freier "Known Unknowns" 2008 ) refers to a possible multi state insurrection as a "Black Swan" event, something that is rare but does happen. A Black Swan event is one that also has devastating consequences.
    9/11 was a Black Swan event.
     
  11. Goldwater

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    If you'd like....I have previously seen this list of quotes and other info regarding Margaret Sanger, and I would be happy to show you all of them in thier original context.

    Also.....

    This is an email I recieved from an NYU History professor, Linda Gordon, author of "Woman's Body, Woman's Choce" regarding Margaret Sanger and allegations from the right that she was a racist.

    Linda Gordon has forgotten more about Margaret Sanger than all of Sanger's critics will ever know.

    Please read the bottim first, which was my email to her

    Linda Gordon

    <XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.com> Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:36 PM Reply-To: XXXXXXX@nyu.eduTo: XXXXXXXXXX <XXXXXXX@gmail.com>
    This is an old story for me, unfortunately--the far Right and christian Right have been using my work falsely for ddecades. It's maddening because those who claim Sanger was a racist are on average far more racist that those who support birth control--and that is not just my opinion. Poll after poll shows that those who oppose birth control and abortion tend to be right-wing on other issues including war and peace (they're usually supporters of war) and racial equality (they usually oppose anti-discrimination measures).

    To get the full picture you need to read my book--I can't summarize it fully here. But I'll just say that Sanger was anti-racist, had no intention to "exterminate" blacks but was concerned that her campaign for birth control might be interpreted that way because there were eugenicists who DID want to use birth control to reduce the population of people of color. Politically aware African Americans knew of these eugenics campaigns and often came to fear birth control altogether for that reason.

    Sanger believed that individuals had a right to control their own reproduction, that's all.

    best wishes, Linda Gordon


    On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM, XXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXX@gmail.com wrote:

    Dr Gordon:

    I participate in a political discussion forum where members are quoting Margaret Sanger via your book Women's Body, Women's Right.

    "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

    The conservatives all say that Sanger wanted to exterminate negros. Is tha true? or was she trying to prevent panic over targeting impoversihed families with birth control Tassistance? Or something else?

    Thanks very much Dr Gordon
     
  12. churchmouse

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    I think we will see more and more black swan events…because we have gotten complacent…and ignorant of what is going on behind the scenes. I think today their are terror cells all over the country…and when they get the world….all hell will break….
     
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    I believe this woman is very far to the left…so anything she would say would be filtered in this light. I have Sangers book here. And If you would like I could again quote from them. I also have copies of newspapers and journals with quotes from her books…

    Even Hillary Clinton said her politics and views were dark. She always targeted blacks…and her work proves it. But we have two sides again here…and the two will never find common ground. You will support Sangers policies and opinions and hold them up to be good. And those reading the same quotes see darkness and racism in them. If you read from other sources…people who wrote about Hitler..etc….they talk about the work of Sanger and her racism. What do we all have it wrong…and this woman has it right?
     
  14. RPA1

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    Abortion is a 'holy sacrament' to libs who worship at its 'altar.' To be liberal is to promote abortion...it is a litmus test for any liberal politician to be pro-abortion. They don't really care that its roots are in black genocide.
     
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    Abortion has been happening for thousands of years. It has nothing to do with black genocide. Nice try though.
     
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    The OP is about Margaret Sanger who was a genocidal maniac who thought that the 'Negro Project' should include sterilization of blacks and promoted paying them to self-sterilize by promoting it through their ministers and churches. Why would you support such a person?
     
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    Do you have the copies of the Birth Control Review articles?...because I had this link to all of them, and I found that they contained additional verbage in the quotes noted previously that was omitted.

    But let me ask before we get too far into this.

    Are you willing to take each one of these quotes, and conisder the original documentation along side what you have?

    Because if not, we're probably not going to learn from each other. I'd like you to know I don't believe abortion is a 'holy sacrament', nor do I worship at it's 'altar.'

    Let me know...and in the mean time, I'll look up those original copies of the review, they're in PDF's, as photocopies of the original magazine.
     
  18. Junkieturtle

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    I personally never said I did support her, at least in her views on Eugenics. She did wonders for women and the world with her advancement of the birth control cause though, so her contributions there are worthy of recognition. Henry Ford was a holocaust denier but we focus more on his accomplishments in mass production and bringing the automobile to the middle class. Thomas Jefferson was instrumental in the creation of this country but he also owned slaves, something that completely contradicts the Declaration of Independence he helped create that says "all men are created equal". Liking the opinions of a person does not men you are supporting every view they've ever had.
     
  19. Goldwater

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    Here is the link, and it comes from a pro life web site, not some liberal university site.

    http://www.ldi.org/library/#birthcontrol

    Compare the quotes you cited with the entire page they're on in context to what she said before and after those quotes.
     
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    In 'Pivot of Civilization" by Margaret Sanger (1922) we have Sanger denigrating charity as concealing a 'stupid cruelty' wherein she summarily declares some women to be 'unfit' to become mothers.

    What is your stand on this? Do you believe that some women should be declared unfit to have a raise children and, if so, based on what? It is all fine and dandy to make 'almighty' proclamations but when you get right down to it the next person to be sterilized could be YOU couldn't it?

    Please address this (from the same tome)

    "Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world, it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant."

    Tell me what are the "stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the 'race' of the world?"

    That's a start...I have much more.
     
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    The purpose of Negro Project was to educate black women about birth control. Sanger never advocated sterilization of any group, only individuals who were unable to care for children.
     
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    Was this quote addressed here?

    “Organized charity itself is the symptom of a malignant social disease. Those vast, complex, interrelated organizations aiming to control and to diminish the spread of misery and destitution and all the menacing evils that spring out of this sinisterly fertile soil, are the surest sign that our civilization has bred, is breeding and perpetuating constantly increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents and dependents.......to breed out of the race the scourges of transmissible disease, mental defect, poverty, lawlessness, crime … since these classes would be decreasing in number instead of breeding like weeds....such a plan would … reduce the birthrate among the diseased, the sickly, the poverty stricken and anti-social classes, elements unable to provide for themselves, and the burden of which we are all forced to carry”

    The roots of eugenics is in darwinism & the survival of the fittest. If man could 'manage' his evolution, we could create a 'better race'. Many groups liked this & promoted it during the last century, especially.

    From what i have read, sanger was more upset by the flood of immigrants coming from italy, especially sicily, who she thought were inferior 'stock' to build a nation from. She wanted to limit immigration for this reason.

    Her's was not a classic liberal view. It gained some traction in more radical women's movements, and some ethnic purity groups, but was not championed by those with libertarian values, who were the liberals of the day.

    She was an avowed statist.. she saw the solutions being from a central powerful govt entity that had the ability to control populations.. much as china has done for the last 20 yrs or so. To truly control populations, she needed a central world power that could stifle 3rd world population growth.

    It is easy to find statements from people in that era & before that can easily be called 'racist'. Even lincoln said things like that. I think it is important for us to consider the times when evaluating historical documents & quotes.
     
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    I would be happy to DISCUSS this.

    If you give me your word that you wll conduct yourself in a respectful and inquiring tone...I'd be glad to begin dialog.

    But if you're going to throw around insults and show no consideration, or patience...there is no point.

    I am willing to entertain the notion that Sanger was a racist...if you are unwilling to entertain the notion that she is NOT....let's save us both some time.

    Do we have an undertsanding?

    PS...you're already stacking up the pattern with two quotes at a time. Easy does it, one at a time and carefully
     
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    Eugenics was a popular idea in Sanger's day. So popular, over 30 states passed laws for the sterilization of inmates and mentally ill. The Bush family also supported eugenics. Do you condemn the Bush family for the same thing? Should we condemn everything the Bush family is associated with because their family once supported eugenics?
     
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    "to apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring."

    By Margaret Sanger
    "The Birth Control Review"
    April 1932, P. 106
     

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