Martial Arts, Self Defense, and Combat Sports

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  1. leftlegmoderate

    leftlegmoderate New Member

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    I have a hard time imagining that! They're really not even comparable... Silva is on a whole other level. But, I suppose it's possible, and that Bonnar will definitely bring his heart with him.

    It's kinda sad though... I couldn't even find a Bonnar highlight video for this post.

    [video=youtube;53zdxvajCEs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53zdxvajCEs[/video]
     
  2. kronikcope

    kronikcope Active Member

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    This fight is a joke, plain and simple. Bonnar has never beat a top 10 fighter in his career, and now they are throwing him in with Silva? Gimme a break. Silva should be fighting Chris Weidman.
     
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    leftlegmoderate New Member

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    You're not the only one who thinks so:

    http://www.examiner.com/article/ufc...derson-silva-vs-stephan-bonnar-bout-is-a-joke
     
  4. The XL

    The XL Well-Known Member

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    I agree that Bonnar shouldn't be fighting Anderson, but it's a fun fight nontheless. Anderson should either fight Weidman, have a superfight with GSP, or go to 205 permanently.
     
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    Now that's what I want to see, GSP vs Silva. It might happen soon from what I understand, but GSP has to defeat someone else before taking a shot at Silva... can't remember who that is though.

    It seems that most think Silva would win, it's really hard to say though; they're both phenomenal.

    [video=youtube;2P2qxCEQCxk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P2qxCEQCxk[/video]
     
  6. kronikcope

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    GSP is fighting Carlos Condit next.

    I'd rather see Jon Jones mop the floor with Silva, though Silva has made it clear he wants no part of Jon Jones.
     
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    The XL Well-Known Member

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    After Jons fight with Vitor, I'm not sure he could take Anderson. Anderson would light him up standing, and is better off his back than Vitor is.

    I still want to see that fight, I think it's a better fight than the GSP fight.
     
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    kronikcope Active Member

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    I highly doubt that. That's one fight I'd bet a good sum of money on Jones to take. I'd venture to say it would look like the Machida fight, except Machidas take down defense is several notches above Silvas.
     
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    The XL Well-Known Member

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    Anderson is a better striker than Machida with more KO power, and has a better sub game. Jon has a tendency to stand in front of guys, and they don't do anything because they're terrified. I don't think that would work vs Anderson.
     
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    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

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    Inter gender MMA match:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBL7YUTRlpk


    Amanda Leve easily submits Wyatt Sellers last month in a national tournament - - this is decidedly NOT a beginner's tournament so that he should have been a formidable opponent. Yet she forcibly submits him in about one minute. Note how she uses her powerful legs to gain an advantage position and then her arms to bring about the submission. She is only a high school freshman who could readily defeat a boy qualified to enter into a prestigious national tournament and he was two weight classes higher than her own! She normally fights in the 20+ age womens category but has defeated the majority of the teen boys she has competed against.


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    Miss Leve is only 15 years of age, yet has great composure, skill, and great self discipline. A fitness article is shown below to reveal her dedication and hard work:

    http://www.phillyfit.com/images_phillyfit2/22-23 PhillyFIT 0912.pdf


    What a woman!
     
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    The guy messed up when he started grabbing at her legs once she took his back. Kinda surprised he did that, considering that she was already wrenching on his neck before she got the position she wanted.

    This is cool to see though. Things like this only validate the effectiveness of JiuJitsu. This is the art I recommend women should study, specifically women who're concerned with self defense. She was quickly able to submit a larger, and trained opponent. It's an art that truly allows smaller, weaker people to trump their opponents size and strength by using skill.

    On the topic of inter-gender mma, I wonder if Ronda Rousey will ever end up fighting a guy?

    [video=youtube;8Quts3jas-w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Quts3jas-w[/video]
     
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    Excellent post.

    guy messed up

    And he was an experienced fighter. I think that her great quickness was why he was put into a position where he had so possible escape - her arms are stringer than his even though he weighs more. As for leg strength he was absolutely no match for hers. She simply out performed him in every facet of the sport: speed, quickness, leg strength, arm strength, and skill.


    JiuJitsu

    Excellent sport for self defense and conditioning. Like you said, you don't have to be strong to excel in it so that it is very suitable for women and girls.


    inter-gender mma

    I, too, am waiting for Miss Ronda to take on a male challenger. I don't insist that he be a top ten contender as those categories often change overnight. Such a bout could earn the promoters and the contestants multiple millions. She is an excellent athlete and is a rarity in sports as she has more male than female fans.


    It is a good bet that Amanda Leve will try that at the pro level. At age 15 she's a bit young for the pros but I'll eagerly look for her when she does sign an MMA contract.
     
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    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

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    Ooops, made an error above -- I meant to say her arms are stronger than his despite his greater size and weight.

    Upper body strength is generally under rated among female athletes, especially in wrestling. This video proves that point to some extent.
     
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    Ooops, made an error above -- I meant to say her arms are stronger than his despite his greater size and weight.

    Upper body strength is generally under rated among female athletes, especially in wrestling. This video proves that point to some extent.
     
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    Speaking of JiuJitu and self defense, here's a good example of a situation were you'd expect an entirely different outcome.

    [video=youtube;HBHK-2ZHbag]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HBHK-2ZHbag[/video]
     
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    He didn't know wtf he was doing.

    "Trained" :disbelief:

    Women, if you're concerned with self defense, get a gun. To get to the level where you're going to choke out a larger man with any sense of fighting and actual aggression in a actual fighting scenario, you're going
    to need to spend years grappling. And men, while BJJ is a great martial art for a 1 on 1 scenario, go to the ground in a bar fight and the buddies of the guy you're choking are going to use your head like a soccer ball.

    God I hope not. MMA is not legal in many states yet, and watching a man knock the block off a female will only add fuel to the argument it shouldn't be legal. It would just be disturbing watching something like that.
     
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    I'd pay to see Ronda Rousey fight a low tier UFC featherweight like Cody McKenzie.
     
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    Ronda Rousey would stomp regional level male 135ers IMO.
     
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    She doesn't know how to throw a punch and holds her chin straight up constantly, especially when she engages her opponent in the clinch. She's a very good grappler, but if she tangled with a man with any sense of takedown defense he would knock her head into the crowd.

    Sure, it would be cool to see a female beat down a man. But the chances are slim of her beating anyone who knows a darn thing about MMA, and no decent minded person wants to see a female get assulted by a man.
     
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    Not all things are a 'shootable' offense.

    That's completely false.

    What's going to stop his buddies from jumping you, if you're pummeling their friend with strikes? Just because you're on your feet, does not mean that you're immune to gravity, likewise, being on the ground does not mean you cannot escape.

    It'd only be disturbing if a woman was grossly mismatched with a far better opponent.
     
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    You don't have to shoot someone. Draw a pistol on someone and see how quickly an attitude can change. If a woman is in a situation where she feels her well being is in danger, I would MUCH rather have her have a firearm than try her hand at grappling her opponent.



    lol, whatever you say. Giving a woman a false sense of security because she took some BJJ classes in nonsense.



    99% of men have no idea how to strike correctly, so a guy with decent stand up can usually whip the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of 2 or 3 guys. Seen it several times. Alistar Overeem has a great story about clearing out a bar of bouncers by himself. Hit the ground in that same situation and you're done, period. You'll be stomped out.

    It would be disturbing watching a woman get knocked out by a man, reguardless of their skill levels.
     
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    (*)(*)(*)(*), that's gotta hurt. And who the (*)(*)(*)(*) bites off someone's nipple? What a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*). I'm going to see Zac Brown in November @ Madison Square Garden. :headbang:

    Personally, I think AS will win easily. For some reason, in the back of my mind, I don't want to count out Bonnar. He always brings a ton of heart and doesn't quit.

    Ugh, I was @ the Silva vs. Griffen fight. I lost a ton of respect for Forest that night. He got knocked the F out and ran out of the octagon like a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*). Let's just say you could barely hear yourself think over the crowds boo's.

    I walked right past Serra @ some fights in Atlantic City. Pretty funny because you know that he is small, but (*)(*)(*)(*) he is a little dude, lol. Seems like a chill guy to hang out with though.
     
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    Irishman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just wanted to give a shout out to Luis Gaudinot, I trained under him for a short time a few years ago. I hope he has great success in the UFC. He is a great guy and has a ton of heart.

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    I briefly checked on other sites and it appears only 4 to 5 states do not sanction MMA. One of them is Connecticut where right wing Vince McMahon has lobbied successfully to keep it banned so that he can promote his wrestling shows without competition. Selfish b@stur.d ain't he?


    An inter gender match would be kool but only if the two are evenly matched. Such matches are well received at amateur levels so it is natural that they would be even more popular at pro levels. I have seen videos on YT of inter gender submission wrestling taking place in Asia. Again, it is well received. I think that we will eventually see it in MMA and I'm looking forward to viewing it. Ronda v Cody would be a good start.
     
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    Bastard. He gave the commencement speech at my college graduation. He is a tough business man, but he will not be able to fight MMA forever. The same goes to New York.
     

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