Muhammad owned slaves - Should we remove mosques from U.S.?

Christians and Muslims had slaves and human bondage, like every 99% of every other human group known to man.

The question should be, who had the worst form of human bondage? Where Black males, who were often castrated by their Islamic masters better off than the Blacks sent to work on American plantations (and were able to keep their junk)?

Virtually all primitive cultures killed the adult males captured in warfare and raids, often torturing them first. Older children and younger women were then used as slaves or sex partners.

Would you rather have been captured by Christian slavers 200 years ago to be an agricultural slave, or been a captive of the Apaches or Comanches?

 

The democrat's fought to keep slavery alive, the republicans fought to end it. Any blacks fighting for the democrats, were only doing so out of enslavement. Blacks fighting for republicans were free at the end of the war, with their military friendships, they was free during the war. And only fought to end slavery, they was actually fighting for something that mattered, and would refuse to lose.

 

what? I would not want to be a slave of a Christian or Muslim slave owner

but on topic, I do not think the government should ban either religion, but I agree that the government should not fund or erect propaganda for either of these middle eastern religions

 

Why does everybody put "indians" as innocent or victims? Do you not realize that indian tribes would pillage other indian tribes. Especially if they found them as nice people with a lot of materials. They would rape the women and steal the materials.

From the Mayans, to the Aztecs, and so many more, there was an uncountable amount of them. Some of them (Mayans) even held sacrifices for eclipses and other reasons, and the sacrifices were of humans. So don't sit there acting like the indians were not of man, and completely innocent. If your going to play the "game of thrones" so to speak, prepare for the consequences.

Because man is evil and in a fallen state, no nation or race will ever be above or below another. So quit trying to make it that way.

 

In a culture where people wear shirts and bags with Che Guevara on them it's hard to take it seriously when they attempt to extol virtue on anybody.

 

they were the victims of the Christians coming to America, their only crime was not converting and instead incorporating Christianity into their beliefs

think of it this way, if aliens came to earth and took it over by killing most of human kind, are we still victims of them even though we all fought among ourselves prior to them arriving?

not saying any is above or below others, just saying to not put the leaders that do these things or their flags on the state house lawn funded by tax payers

if you want to put it on your private land, have at it

 

Yes he is with a quran in one hand and a sword in the other.It fits in well with Isis aka Nimrods wife aka statue of liberty replica. Since her husbands penis aka obeliest 'spl' adorns the front of the Out House.
Adorning our sacred and official dwellings we have almost as many gods as Rome did.

 

I think most people would be in shock, if they discovered the meaning behind the "symbology", littered across the earth from all nations and tongues.

 

I studied ancient history for decades seeking the truth. And I can honestly say I have forgotten more about history than most people will ever know, especially univ. professing professors.

 

As far as I can remember, they went to Africa and took men, women and children prisoners. They immediately castrated many of the men, forcing them to then walk back to wherever they were from in Arabia. Many died along the way. Women were raped and many were used as concubines or placed in harems.

My point being, there is always a double standard. The hatred isn't about what happened. That's an excuse. It's about the hurt felt by things which are perceived as being more easily obtained by those who are white and male.

Who doesn't want the trouble of deciding what to do with the earnings of a good 401k or IRA? Who doesn't want a house with a level lot and a picket fence in a reasonably safe neighborhood? Wo doesn't want to be a part of that lifestyle?

I understand the frustration of not being able to obtain those, even when I know I am smarter and can do better than someone I work right along side. Wondering what could have held me back can create issues where there really are none, get me what I want, or expose things which are actually happening and wrong.

It's easy to say it is all your fault. Both sides do it.

 

The slavery of Mohammed was virtuous because it was largely Christians. And out isn't really about slavery or virtue. It's about rebellion. This involves mostly the young people in my generation and a few old timers that wish to the advantage of them. Its something every generation does as it comes of age. Mine was a bit slower than others. When they discover mommy and daddy... If there is a daddy... were not right about everything they start too question everything. I did it. And in that questioning they rebel. Normally against the institutions. My generation never saw a draft or Vietnam, Korea. We are so far removed from the horrors of the world we don't know what to rebel against.

 

Yes, you did.

The subject is "Muhammad owned slaves - Should we remove mosques from U.S.?" and the first two words out of your mouth are "the bible".

If you want to get into Comparative Religion discussion this is where you belong:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?forums/religion-philosophy.46/

 

Because people don't read History books any more.

My home state of Virginia is littered with sites where Native Americans massacred settlers, and we're hardly alone. One of the main features of the early settlement era in America was the brutal war of mutual extermination between the settlers and the natives. Neither side was a hapless innocent victim in that conflict.

 

I would hardly think them virtuous if you were among the the millions enslaved by Islam during the 7th Century AD.

"Arab Enslavers Practiced Genetic Warfare

The Arab slave trade typically dealt in the sale of castrated male slaves. Black boys between the age of 8 and 12 had their scrotums and penises completely amputated to prevent them from reproducing. About six of every 10 boys bled to death during the procedure, according to some sources, but the high price brought by eunuchs on the market made the practice profitable.

Some men were castrated to be eunuchs in domestic service and the practice of neutering male slaves was not limited to only Black males. “The calipha in Baghdad at the beginning of the 10th Century had 7,000 black eunuchs and 4,000 white eunuchs in his palace,” writes author Ronald Segal in his 2002 book, Islam’s Black Slaves: The Other Black Diaspora."
http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/06...vement-of-black-people-not-taught-in-schools/

 

Islamic Enslavers are seen as virtuous because they enslaved Christians and Europeans into the 11th and 12th century. They even have a lively slave trade today. I certainly don't see it as virtuous. But current attitudes put white Christian Europeans at enemy number one.

 

Ok, so I'll break it down for you. You said confederates were defeated, which they were. And then, without qualification, you suggested that we don't put "losers" on the front lawn. Now, perhaps you didn't intend that to be general, but you didn't qualify it, it just meant folks who lost to the US/Union. So, includes a ton of folks, wouldn't you say, not the least of which are our Native Americans. Nice to see you think anyone who "lost" in battle are "losers" who don't deserve to have any honor in our nation.

And now? Back track of the century, you won't stand up for your own assertion. Shocking....

 

Great point.

 

Or, for that matter here in the US. Clearly, not wanting to regulate illegal immigration supports human trafficking which clearly then doesn't even get an eye bat from liberals in this country.....

 

Just remove all statues of Muhammad.

 

I don't think there are any Islamic mosques on government property, are there?

 

The OPer is lucky Obama is not president for how the OPer "slandered the name of Mohammad." Might be a SWAT team and IRS agent at his door.

 

Good post ! Well done.

 

The point of the OP is that the rational for removal of these monuments is often on the basis that they owned slaves. This is a separate argument from the public/private debate.

The reason that these monuments were put up is because they represent our history. I would claim that it is within the purview of "Public institutions" to enshrine our history in monuments as this is in the public interest.

It is in the public interest to have a monument to come civil war "rebel" .. stating this battle was fought here .. this is what he stood for... this is what our nation stands for "individual liberty" and fortunately this dude lost.

This serves as a reminder of the main principle on which this nation was founded and the bad things that can happen (slavery) when people do not follow this principle. It serves as a reminder that we should not forget the main principle on which this nation was founded or we may return to slavery ....

WHICH IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.

 

the soutern conservatives that are now called republicans you mean

 

and I said, just like we should not remove churches because the bible condones allowing slaves, anymore then we should not remove mosques from private land either for those same reasons, sorry if you feel that is off topic, but you my friend are wrong, it's very much on topic

we have a thing in this country called religious freedom, and that includes the middle eastern religions like Christianity, Judaism and Muslim-ism too

now if our government erects them, then yes they should be tore down