Muhammad owned slaves - Should we remove mosques from U.S.?

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  1. garyd

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    Purely horse crap they are not even close to the same In Christianity salvation is a wholly undeserved gift, while under Islam it is a task to be done. That alone is sufficient to differentiate between the two.
     
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    Well Southern Democrats did, So did the Chickasaw nation and the Choctaw nation.
     
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    Both Muslims and Christians believe in the Jewish God, like it or not, they both believe in the exact same God
     
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    southern Conservatives, the same types now defending against the tearing down of their Confederate statues
     
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    America is not a secular state. All religions are treated equally. The OP has failed.
     
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    Your attempt at a smear does not change the actual History. Southern Democrats the Chickasaw and the Choctaw fought for the confederacy.
    Also not exactly. If your religion demands the wolesale slaughter of unbelievers we can sure as execute your religions followers for murder. We are also not constitutionally required to permit entry to foreign born adherents of your religious orthodoxy.
     
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    All religions are treated equally. If a religious practice of any religion violates the law, the government will treat it equally.

    The last sentence is a throwaway distraction by someone.
     
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    Slavery in the Muslim world first developed out of the slavery practices of pre-Islamic Arabia,[1] and were at times radically different, depending on social-political factors such as the Arab slave trade. Two rough estimates by scholars of the number of slaves held over twelve centuries in Muslim lands are 11.5 million[2] and 14 million.[3][4]

    Under Sharia (Islamic law),[1][5] children of slaves or prisoners of war could become slaves but only non-Muslims.[6] Manumission of a slave was encouraged as a way of expiating sins.[7] Many early converts to Islam, such as Bilal ibn Rabah al-Habashi, were the poor and former slaves.[8][9][10][11] In theory, slavery in Islamic law does not have a racial or color component, although this has not always been the case in practice.[12]

    Throughout Islamic history, slaves served in various social and economic roles, from powerful Emirs to harshly treated workers. Early on in Muslim history they were used in plantation labor similar to that in the Americas, but this was abandoned after harsh treatment led to destructive slave revolts,[13] the most notable being the Zanj Rebellion.[14] Slaves were widely employed in irrigation, mining, pastoralism, but the most common use was as soldiers, guards and domestic workers.[13] Some rulers relied on military and administrative slaves to such a degree that the slaves were sometimes in the position to seize power. Among black slaves, there were roughly two females to every one male.[13]

    Because internal growth of the slave population was not enough to fulfill the demand in Muslim society, massive numbers of non-Muslim slaves were imported, resulting in enormous suffering and loss of life from their capture and transportation.[15]

    The Arab slave trade was most active in West Asia, North Africa, and Southeast Africa. In the early 20th century (post World War I), slavery was gradually outlawed and suppressed in Muslim lands, largely due to pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France.[5] Among the last states to abolish slavery were Saudi Arabia and Yemen, which abolished slavery in 1962 under pressure from Britain; Oman in 1970, and Mauritania in 1905, 1981, and again in August 2007.[16] However, slavery claiming the sanction of Islam is documented presently in the predominantly Islamic countries of Chad, Mauritania, Niger, Mali, and Sudan
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    just stating the facts, the same southern Conservatives that wanted the statues back then are like the same Southern conservatives today that want the statues

    and yes, we will not allow one to stone people, cause one can NOT force their beliefs on others, but one can believe stoning people is ok per their religion, one GOP candidate did

    religious freedom does not include the right to harm others, take away others rights, or force your religion on them..... your rights end where the rights of others begin
     
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    Nonsense. They cannot be the same God. That's like claiming that football and gymnastics are the same because they are both sports.
     
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    Note those same "conservatives' that put up most of the statues were good progressive democrats under FDR. That's when most of those statues were erected. Margaret Sanger Smith certainly thought them so.
     
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    They were conservative racist Southern Democrats. Now their great grand children are conservative racist Republicans.
     
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    they both believe in the exact same Jewish God, their God is the same, their religions differ some, even though both religions believe in Jesus, Mary and the virgin birth and the God that flooded the world

    by your logic Jews and Christians believe in different God's, nope, same God, one and the same

    what your saying if if the same coach coached both teams, that you could not say it was the same person
     
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    Isn't this like calling for the removal of churches? A mosque ≠ a statue or other monument to some individual..
     
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    People do not understand the Muslim beliefs at the origin and core, AND Muhammad was not the origin of them. He was a radical political reaction to what Rome did with Christ. Muhammad had great spiritual relevance to the true origins in many ways, (not all) but was more an agent of the escalation of conflict with Rome than an extension of the true origins of Muslim beliefs which were from the Sufi.

    Muslim acknowledge Christ in their history because the Sufi were aligned with the Hindu spiritually. He did journey to India where the Sufi knew him as well.

    Our past is managed by Rome for purposes that may not be at all be in the interest in the survival and evolution of humanity. There is far more to life than meets the eye and Rome does not want us to see that. It wants control and that is totally due to unreasoned fears that it uses fear and violence to defend.
     
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    More nonsense. Different character different rules different God.
     
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    What did Muhammed have to do with Rome?
     
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    The rules are pretty much the same except Muslims don't believe in original sin or blood sacrifice.
     
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    The rules are pretty much the same except Muslims don't believe in original sin or blood sacrifice.
     
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    The rules are pretty much the same except Muslims don't believe in original sin or blood sacrifice.
     
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    The rules are pretty much the same except Muslims don't believe in original sin or blood sacrifice.
     
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    BS. There is nothing conservative about racism, it is nothing more than another tool in the progressive tool kit whose only real purpose is to divide us one from the other in to maintain their illegitimate hold on the levers of power.
     
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    Hasn't stopped them from shedding blood by the bucket load over the last 1400 years and the difference between a pure theology of works like Islam and a theology of grace is huge.
     
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    Actually, the rules of warfare in Islam are quite enlightened.
     

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