No Drug Tests For Food Stamp Recipients, Feds Tell Georgia

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    No one is being forced to apply for welfare, the search would amount to giving a cop consent to search your car during a traffic stop....you don't HAVE to. It VOLUNTARY! If they don't like the rules, simply don't apply, no search.
     
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    no need for background checks if all Americans have the Constitutional right to own a gun... if it's a privilege to own a gun, then background checks to make sure you privileged enough to own a gun would be expected

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  3. danielpalos

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    Why can ebt card holders buy drugs easier than financial planning advice under our form of Capitalism with our Institution of capital based markets.
     
  4. RichT2705

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    Which doesnt really say anything about how a drug test as a condition of a paycheck is only considered to be infringing your Liberty when you are looking for a helping hand. Not surehow the concepts of Liberty in this regard turn on and off depending on employment status.
     
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    Choosing between starving and getting food stamps is not a choice.
     
  6. Professor Peabody

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    only gun lovers are that cognitively dissonant. well regulated militias of the United States have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.
     
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    What bias? I get drug tested to work, why shouldn't they? If they wanted the food stamps bad enough, they would submit to a drug test like 80% of working adults who want jobs bad enough.

    Then you go on to blame Republicans for not creating jobs with livable salaries, after our country elected a president who has never created a single job, livable wage or otherwise, in his entire life.

    Then you go on to claim that they wont be allowed benefits because they're poor, which seems really odd because the bill was implemented to keep only those who really want to use it for actual food as beneficiaries.

    Then you go on to claim that you cant vote because your black or brown, when I have never seen or heard of one person in this past election, or any future election, being denied the right to vote with a proper ID.

    Is this serious? Or is it a joke. I'm having trouble telling.
     
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    Exactly. Theres millions of food pantries these "starving" Americans can get free groceries without a drug test. Welfare enrollments should be treated like employment, since both are granting you recurring checks. Dont like the conditions of that "employment"...dont take the "job".
     
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    Seems like another example of the right wingers wanting to pour money down the drain on a program with a track record of complete and utter failure. Just like the war on drugs... so I guess they're at least consistent.

    It's one of those ideas that sounds good on paper, but is in't reality.
     
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    I am 100% okay with repealing the 2nd amendment and treating guns like vehicles. You must get training and you must have a license and you must get regular health and vision checks.
     
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    Would you be as consistent if we had morals testing companies on a for profit basis as well?
     
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    Drug testing is invasive. Americans have a constitutional right to be secure in their persons. There is nothing in qualifying for SNAP that requires a drug test of someone on whom there is no prior evidence of illegal drug use. Beside being unconstitutional, the Georgia plan would be expensive. Its purpose is to discourage eligible people from applying for benefits to which they are legally entitled. People who are black, that is. Sherman understood Georgia, he just left the state too soon.
     
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    It should be if you arent willing to submit to a drug test. That's like saying 'choosing between starving and filling out the paperwork necessary for food stamps is not a choice'.

    No, it really is. You dont have to fill out the paperwork if you think its too long or dont have time.
     
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    I don't even need to broach the liberty issue, it's stupid from a simple dollars and cents perspective. Not enough people were taken off the dole to compensate for the costs of the tests. Even if the intentions are well meaning, it's a proven waste of money.
     
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    Completely avoiding the "Liberty" issue that you trotted out prior...
     
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    we could do the same for registering a car, pee in this cup first... do we really want to become that world?

    how about politicians get a drug test once a qtr...

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    Employment is at will in most States; a drug test is for-cause criteria for employment for cause.

    There is no moral basis nor exigency to indulge the moral turpitude of bearing false witness to our own laws regarding the concept of employment at will.
     
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    Well, let's see.

    There's no constituitonal authority for the federal government to run the world's biggest Ponzi Scheme, and force every citizen who doesn't work for the federal government to participate, under the threat of gross bodily harm.

    There's no constitutional authority for the federal government to run/ruin the public schools in the fifty-seven states.

    There's no constitutional authority for the federal government to run/ruin/subsidize/fund colleges, college students or college student loans anywhere in the country.

    There's no constituitonal authority for the federal government to destroy the nation's health care system, to ruin the nation's health insurance industry, to take away the doctor of their choice, to take away the insurance plan of their choice, to force them to carry health insurance policy options that do not apply to them or that they simply do not want, all in the name of ruining the United States as a whole.

    There's no constitutional authority for the federal government to run a medicaid ponzi scheme, either.

    There's no constitutional authority for the federal government to play 18th Amendment on non-alcohol recreational chemicals, when even the 18th Amendment didn't permit that...and the 18th Amendment's been repealed.

    There's no constitutional authority for the federal government to play Generous Genie with the taxpayers money when it comes to subsidizing indolence, sloth, ignorance and the criminal lifestyles of the useless.

    There's no constitutional authority for the federal government to subsidize "art".

    There's no constitutional authority for the federal government to subsidize "walking schoolbuses", especially when there's no RFP issued to study the concept of walking vehicles. The patent on wheels expired about 3,000 years ago, so what's the point?

    So, between being taxed for someone else's retirement, someone else's education, someone else's microwaveable pizzas (when they could be eating Queen Moochelles Yummy Healthy Menu), someone's else's diseased concept of "art", someone else's fad and someone else' completely worthless government "study", it looks like the Useful People have quite a bit to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about when it comes to their taxes and what those taxes are used to do.
     
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    The EBT card is a card used for many different welfare programs. Not just food stamps. I was on an EBT card for 2 years. I know exactly what I could do with it. I could not convert my food stamps to cash. The only time I could use my EBT card as an ATM was when they refunded 2 dollars due to an accounting error.

    Cash assistance EBT usage is only available to people with disabilities or pregnant women or elderly people. You cannot get it if you are able bodied.
     
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    Because only blacks use food stamps? Amazing.

    If you feel you are entitled to the money of everyone else, everyone else has a right to know that you arent using those benefits to use drugs. Similarly, my company has a right to know that I dont use drugs when I come to work, thus, they have a right to drug test me any time they feel the need.
     
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    Meh, as a taxpayer I dont mind wasting it.

    Maybe it will cut down on some of the billions of dollars we currently are wasting for non Americans...
     
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    Not at all; you just already know you don't have the moral fortitude to quit your day job so you won't have to complain about paying taxes.
     
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    Utah's welfare drug testing saved more than $350,000 in first year, officials say

    Spend $30,000, save $350,000. 10 times the savings.
     
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    Providing for the general welfare could cover it. You have to prove it doesn't provide for the general welfare. Why not start with the drug war.
     

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