Non-binary gender identities

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  1. Ritter

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    Sexuality is trinary; hetero-, homo- and bisexual. Then one can soeculate about spectrums and such. Gender is a binary male, female. Simple as that. There is no spectrum here.

    Masculinity, femininity is, on the other hand, a very wide spectrum even biologically speaking. But here we are talking about gender and it is impossible to be of a non-binary gender.
     
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    If you say so....it must be true.
    "Aside from having an ambiguous-looking external genitalia, true intersex in humans differs from pseudohermaphroditism in that the person's karyotype has both XX and XY chromosome pairs (46XX/46XY, 46XX/47XXY or 45X/XY mosaic). Some people who are intersex have both testicular and ovarian tissue."

    http://www.newhealthadvisor.com/Hermaphrodite-Human-Pictures.html
     
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    Fair enough. We aren't talking about hermaphrodutes anyways.
     
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    The discussion revolves around gender and the "Binary" status assigned to it. Your statement affirmed this and mine clearly debunked it scientifically which uses the hermaphrodite phenomenon to do so. Thus we are indeed "talking about" them, as they are part of the discussion.
     
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    No, they are not part of the discussion as people identifying as "non-binary" are not hermaphrodites! Furthermore, you didn't really debunk me at all, there are only two gender-chromosomes X and Y, every child born is always either XX(girl) or XY(boy). Even the hermas have, as you proved, these chromosomes and not some unique ones like W, Z, A or B. XX or XY. One, two. Binary.
     
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    As it is clear to me any further discussion is pointless I am done here.

    Have A Nice Day:smile:
     
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    There is no objective medical science pointing to a biological cause for trangenderism. In fact it used to be classified in the DSM as a mental disorder but then the PC mafia went to work and now that has changed. OC ruins the integrit and objectivity of everything it touches, including medical science. The transgender rights crowd is always talking about respect but they aren't willing to giver any. they demand that others use made up gender pronouns. You can't force others to use the words you want them to and if you try you are violating their first amendment rights. The transgender rights crowd also wants to brainwash and indoctrinate young children in schools into thinking there's no such thing as gender. They actively seek to confuse young children about their sexuality and identity. It's f-ing disgusting. The transgender rights movement seeks to redefine what it means to be a man and a woman for the rest of society. We're not having it.


    Like all other social justice movements is basically about authoritarianism and totalitarianism. They are the most intolerant mother f-ers out there. More people need to stand up publicly and loudly to say enough is enough with this BS, we're not gonna take it anymore.
     
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    1. There most certainly is scientific/medical evidence for a biological basis for transgenderism. You just chose to not look for it before blathering about it and presenting your baseless opinion as fact:

    http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TScauses.html

    http://transascity.org/the-transgender-brain/

    2. On the other hand, there is not evidence that anyone wants to confuse or brainwash children. That notion does not even make a lick of sense.,
     
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    Save you r propaganda links for the choir.

    There is no medical evidence for transgenderism.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...atrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

    Also GLSEN is actively indoctrinating children in the public schools against the will of their parents. We are fighting back and will fight you facsists every step of the way.
     
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    This guy is a quack :

    You are probably also a climate change denier because you can find three out of 100 scientists that will say it's a hoax because of their in-objective bias.
     
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    He was studying gender and sexuality and gender for decades before PC became the norm and no one ever called him a quack. He was the chief of psychiatry at John Hopkins.

    Yeah I'm going to take the word of a guy posting on the internet who looks like Schneider from one day at a time over him.

    But then that is par for the course with you social justice warriors right? Anyone that presents any facts or logic that run contrary to your agenda is automatically labelled a bigot, homophobe, transphobe, xenophobe, islamophobe, sexist, misogynist, etc etc etc

    Identity politics is all you weak minded collectivist fools have. Well guess what, El Trumpo is in charge now, the overton window is shifting and normal society isn't taking your totalitarian social justice bullsh1t any more. Even a large number of those in the gay community know the transgender agenda is madness. Ever heard of drop the T? Ever heard of Blair White?
     
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    I was talking about biology, way to go completely misunderstanding the point I was making.
     
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    It was a metaphor.

    Okay, so what biological purpose does a sex that produces an egg and a sex that produces a sperm serve?
    Why?
    So what?

    People don't have to be computers for sex to be binary.
     
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    It's male or it's female, the spectrum is black and white. The two sexes exist to procreate. You don't need a spectrum for that.

    Sexual identity may exist on a spectrum but it's still between male and female because there are no other sexes.



    Because, the simily is being used is to that of sex. There aren't any in between. You either produce an egg or a sperm. That is what defines sexes.

    For your simily to work it would have to be whole numbers. Sex is binary.
    Show me somebody that is a percentage of one sex and a percentage of another and than your simily will work.
     
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    Rant on Bubba. Keep cherry picking you bogus and bigoted sources. I entertain no illusions about being able to reason with or educate you. By by
     
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    McHugh is right about some things. Transgenderism relies on dismophia.
     
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    As Kranes56 asked. How many numbers fall between 0 & 1?

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    What's odd is all these gay guys dissing on transgenders and hermaphrodites.
     
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    No, it was a valid point. There are near infinite possible outcomes between 100% male and 100% female. Just like there's infinite numbers between 0 and 1.
    That is the biological purpose. But 100% of the population doesn't fit with the general biological purpose. Even all male or all female types who are infertile. Or gays who are one sex but attracted to same sex.
    They would have to be all the same for sex to not be binary. And all males are equal in sexual masculinity, nor are all females equal in femininity. There are many males more feminine than some women. There are humans that are both male and female, hermaphrodites. There are males who are attracted to males and women who are attracted to women.
    If humans are binary, there'd be only 2 options in sexuality.
     
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    Well, the lesbian separatists never accept a trans woman. They hate all men. And sure, T gals are nuts. But they are nuts in a nice way, as long as they don't get too crazy with demands.

    Once a society gets confused too much, that is where the damage can happen. This is the Obama's 'yes we can' legacy in action...yes we can pass a guy off with a penis as a woman...joke is on you America!
     
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    It is still a metaphor

    No there isn't. There is a very rare posibility that a Persinger is born hermaphroditic.

    And sex is biological.
    Unless you can show me procreation occuring workout a male and a female, yes it does.
    Infertility is irrelevant. You still can't produce a baby without a male and a female.
    Gays can still reproduce working the binary sexes and not at all outside of them.

    Why?
    Gender expression isn't relevant.

    Both male and female indicates binary.
    They are still males and females, nothing else. That's binary.
    Humans aren't binary, sex is. If it wasn't binary humans would reproduce asexually.
     
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    Have you ever heard of otherkin?

    They are people who believe they are half animal. Are we supposed to except that next?


    If you are born a male but feel like you're a woman you are still a man. Felling like something you're not doesn't make you that thing. For thousands of years human civilization has pretty much agreed on a consensus definition of "man" and "woman" and now a feel vocal people who don't feel comfortable in their own skin want to change those definitions for the rest us.

    F---that!

    Reality is objective not subjective people!
     
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    I don't understand why someone's gender identity matters. The only place it appears to be an issue is in public bathrooms. Seems like it's worth the expense to remove the placards, remove the urinals, put doors on the stalls and move on to more important concerns.

    This country is in trouble. Distracting ourselves with non-issues instead of taking on real problems is making things worse.




     
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    Getting to many quotes going for my feeble mind.
    1. Metaphors have validity if the logic equates. In this case it does.
    2. Humans and many millions of variable that make up a human. The possible derivations of humans is near infinite.
    3. Not all gays or all straights can reproduce. So are naturally infertile, some make themselves infertile. Procreation is a mute point. I'm sure you used the same argument regarding marriage.
    4. Sex is part of humans, if humans aren't binary, then sex, in however a small percent is, is also not binary.
     
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    The definition is changing for the rest of us. But the definition does need to be updated. Word and definitions change as humanity advances and becomes aware of things they weren't aware of before. It's been happening since the universe formed and man could understand better and better their surrounding.
    If we didn't change or adapt, we'd still be living in caves.
     
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    The definition is not being changed. It is only legitimately changed when the majority of society agrees that it should be changed which in this case hasn't happened. It's one thing to change based on facts but that is also not the case here. What we have here is a very small group with a political agenda insisting the rest of us abide by that agenda. I don't intend to and I don't intend to allow my children to be used as props of that agenda in the public school system.
     

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