I blame lack of sleep on that post. What I intended to write was that "if they were indeed a 3rd gender, they still have nothing to do with this topic." Sorry for that. Of course I know what binary means, I am not r-tarded.
I've never claimed there is a 3rd gender. At least non classified. I have said, and hermaphrodites are the example, that there is a mix of the 2 genders sometimes. Meaning a concoction of the 2 options. Like there are infinite numbers between the binary numbers 0 and 1.
There would have to be a third gender in order for sex to be non binary. If hermaphrodites were a mix between three sexes you'd have a point.
Because it calls upon a more sophisticated understanding of the political spectrum? Phenotype doesn't reduce to genotype. Is there only XY and XX? Even if so, why does that matter?
Your view of what "sophisticated" means is rather unsophisticated. Yep and it matters because it is a fact telling that gender is dichotomic.
"Intersex is a general term used for a variety of conditions in which a person is born with a reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesnt seem to fit the typical definitions of female or male. For example, a person might be born appearing to be female on the outside, but having mostly male-typical anatomy on the inside. Or a person may be born with genitals that seem to be in-between the usual male and female typesfor example, a girl may be born with a noticeably large clitoris, or lacking a vaginal opening, or a boy may be born with a notably small penis, or with a scrotum that is divided so that it has formed more like labia. Or a person may be born with mosaic genetics, so that some of her cells have XX chromosomes and some of them have XY." http://www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex We're not talking about sex though, we're talking about gender identity. http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/sage/ If you have the time.
I understand that. But intersex people aren't a third sex. So sex is still binary. Gender identity still exists on a binary spectrum. How can you express a third gender when such a concept doesn't exist? No need. There isn't a person on the planet that is any percent a third sex.
How? Assuming that you mean sex as in the sex organs, how is that not a third sex? Easy, it does. More than gender option has existed since the start of human societies. Intersex people don't exist?
A man and a woman don't need an intersex person to make a baby. No, I want examples of how to express third gender identities. Sure they do, they just aren't a third sex. See above.
That is one of the silliest things I have ever read. What does that have to do with anything? What do you think people are using the term sex here to mean? They prefer using they. Sex refers to a person's genitalia.
I don't know what other people are using it for. I'm using it to describe male and female. Saying that male and female exist to procreate in a sexually reproducing species. There is no third sex. That's a biologically varifiable statement. It isn't silly. That's it? Referring to a single person as though they are many is equivalent to expressing a third sex? That's pretty weak sauce. So there is only male genitalia and female genitalia and in rare cases an amalgam of the two. There is no third.
Gender identity isn't a thing. Or rather, it's as organic and automatic as breathing - therefore doesn't require special attention or focus. Suggesting it's important is like suggesting that 'breathing identity' is important. It makes you (GY) sound like a narcissistic lunatic.
Of course gender identity is organic. But that doesn't mean that people don't discriminate against other gender identities. That makes it worthy of attention.
No you're not. You're using male and female in reference to a common language. However you're equivocating sex with gender. The language is off. To say there isn't a third sex doesn't make sense. How do you explain intersexuality then? You can use they as a single pronoun. "I found this wallet laying on the ground. I wonder if they're looking for their wallet." That's simply one example. You asked for one. But if it's an "amalgam" as you say, wouldn't that then mean that there is a third gender that is a mix of them? It's neither male nor female (and that's a bad way to put it but I will humor your language), so it must be something.
If i did, I certainly didn't mean to. I understand the difference between gender and sex. So are you sure I'm doing that? I'm normally pretty mindful of it. To say that there is doesn't make sense. That's like saying there are two suns in our solar system. That's extremely simple. They are an amalgam to some degree of the two sexes. Of course you can, in fact I did in the statement you are responding to. No it's not. How a person wishes to be referred to is not expression of the proverbial "third gender" person's part. That is simply how I would refer to them. See women, and even trans women dress, talk, and act in certian ways this is referred to as femininity. Same with men and masculinity. What else is there? How would they dress, talk, walk, and act like a third gender? Is it even possible? How would you gauge it? No. I disagree. They are both male and female. There is nothing else besides male and female for them to be. So I'm at a loss to even articulate what sex someone can be if not male or female or a mixture of both. It's like trying to tell you where the second moon is. Sex is binary. The female gives birth, or lays an egg and the male inpregnates the female or fertilizes the egg depending on the species. That is simply the understanding of the sexes. This is what all biology tells us. There is no third participant involved. Whatever any sexually reproducing being is that doesn't participate in that isn't a third sex. Sex is defined by what role an individual can play in reproduction. Infertile men and women aren't considered a third sex.
That is what crank said. Discriminate how? Saying the non binary ones don't exist? That is discrimination against imaginary things.
No one 'discriminates against gender identities'. We automatically see others as either male or female, and we don't register anything beyond that unconscious recognition. We may, however, have little patience with those who insist we acknowledge their inner struggles in this area. We don't have to be rude about it, of course, just polite and clinical. We don't encourage toddlers to express their difficulties with not being the centre of the universe, either. It's not in their best interests. PS: there are no 'other' gender identities. there is only imagination and wish thinking.
I can respect curiosity about the issue. But I don't see why we need an answer to this question. Beyond simple curiosity, what stake does anyone have in how another person sees themselves? Many might not grasp how a person sees the world from a particular religious or philosophical model, why does the world need to grasp how that person sees themselves with regard to a gender model?
I'm so grateful for non-binary gender identity. Without it I wouldn't have witnessed what I just witnessed on the Tucker Carlson show. Hopefully there'll be a YouTube upload tomorrow. Noone should have to miss that interview.
If you have legitimate, medially diagnosed gender dysphoria and get a sex change all the best. It's the fake "transtrender" crowd I can't stand. You are not greygendered. You are an idiot looking to be a special snowflake and get identity politics points.
Two discrete patterns that we call male and female is what is most common, but those certainly are NOT the only patterns. Human anatomy does not come in only two varieties. There are bodies that have combinations of anatomical features related to sex. And, there are those missing key parts of either sex. And, then there are the chemical features related to guiding attraction, one's view of themselves, etc. So, yes, there isn't some third sex. What there IS is a combination of features that usually (but not always) fall into one of two combinations.
Outside of birth defects, yes they are. They aren't a third sex, these anomalies are just that anomalies. People can view themselves however they wish. It doesn't alter biology. Yes thus it's binary. So non binary genders don't exist.
