Obama is NOT a Good President. So Why Is He Winning With Independents?

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  1. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    I haven't heard that claim. Links. Btw, don't give me this "nice non-answer" crap. If you want to have an exchange act mature.
     
  2. Slyhunter

    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    Actually it is costing jobs now. Employers aren't hiring today for fear of the cost of labor tomorrow. They can't plan for the future with Obumacare hanging over their heads so they don't hire anyone at all in the hope that a Republican will win and get rid of it, but just in case the Republicans don't win the employers don't hire.
     
  3. NoPartyAffiliation

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    This is foolish propanganda put out by, well, lord only knows who. Obviously, the spin machine that came up with this nonsense counted on an audience with two qualities:
    1. They never owned or run a small to medium sized business and
    2. They never had division level or greater management experience in a large company.

    If a small business like mine sees an increase in demand, we have to react. If that means hiring, so be it but failure to adapt to market conditions and opportunities will put a small company out of business. Key advantages to being small is speed & flexibility.

    Big businesses aren't as nimble but they still have to answer to the board and the shareholders at the quarterly meeting. But again, if a surge in demand occurs that if met, will net the company millions or more, they don't fail to meet the demand because of a couple grand in benefits.

    Motorola has been hiring at all levels like crazy. Why? The introduction of their answer to the IPhone (the Droid) has done better than they ever imagined. Do you really think they would go to their stockholders and say "Well, we decided not to make the hundreds of millions becasue some day years from now, there might be an increase in one part of the benefits package we offer employees."

    So I would consider whatever source offered this BS as one to ignore in the future.
     
  4. Claude C

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    This is foolish propanganda put out by, well, lord only knows who. Obviously, the spin machine that came up with this nonsense counted on an audience with two qualities:
    1. They're in a drooling, blank stare stupor.
    2. They're unable to pull their head out of their ass.
     
  5. kowalskil

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    I think that they would start producing more good and services if they knew that these things would be sold. People who do not work do not buy. That is the dilemma, not some minimal medical coverage for all.
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  6. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    just more proof there are a lot of brainwshed sheeps who te only information they get about him is from the idiot box in the living room which never talks about how he has taken away many of our civil liberites and continued Bushs assult on the constituion spitting on it worse than he ever did.Thats George W Obama for ya.
     
  7. shaker154

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    sigh... i hate our political system. Seriously one side needs to be completely destroyed so that they finally look to see what people really want... Lol that would never happen anyway
     
  8. Slyhunter

    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    Whether a business "expands" into new markets, and add employees, is based on what they think of the future including costs to do so. If they think the costs will be too high because of some crap like Obumacare then they won't expand and thus not hire any employees.
     
  9. rsay32

    rsay32 New Member Past Donor

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    I'd ask you the same but judging from previous posts I know that would be a waste of time.

    And your reply was a "non-answer". If you don't want that pointed out, then actually address the post you are quoting. And all you have to do to hear that claim is scroll thru this thread. You will see it a couple of times just in this thread.
     
  10. NoPartyAffiliation

    NoPartyAffiliation New Member

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    Not so with small business as supported by the OP. And you would explain the massive hiring by Motorola, Sears, United Healthcare, Macy's.... how?
    I would say again, it's just basic business: They are experiencing an increase in demand and hiring people to meet that demand will result in increased profits. Pretty simple stuff, really.
     
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    Oooh. Scintilling fact-packed retort.

    Wait. I didn't see any facts in there.

    I'm patient. Please provide us some.
     
  12. NoPartyAffiliation

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    I believe he was doing a parody on my post, which you may have missed:

    This is foolish propanganda put out by, well, lord only knows who. Obviously, the spin machine that came up with this nonsense counted on an audience with two qualities:
    1. They never owned or run a small to medium sized business and
    2. They never had division level or greater management experience in a large company.

    If a small business like mine sees an increase in demand, we have to react. If that means hiring, so be it but failure to adapt to market conditions and opportunities will put a small company out of business. Key advantages to being small is speed & flexibility.

    Big businesses aren't as nimble but they still have to answer to the board and the shareholders at the quarterly meeting. But again, if a surge in demand occurs that if met, will net the company millions or more, they don't fail to meet the demand because of a couple grand in benefits.

    Motorola has been hiring at all levels like crazy. Why? The introduction of their answer to the IPhone (the Droid) has done better than they ever imagined. Do you really think they would go to their stockholders and say "Well, we decided not to make the hundreds of millions becasue some day years from now, there might be an increase in one part of the benefits package we offer employees."

    So my point is that while regulation, taxes etc.. always play a small role in a hiring decision, if you get an order that will make you a millionaire - so long as you have the manpower to fill it - guess what you're going to do every single time? Hire people.
     
  13. shaker154

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    Well thought out post sir... my friend owns a small business and if he doesnt keep up with demand then he loses customers that couldve either been long term customers or at least spent enough to get through the slow months. When ever he needs extra help he hires me and a few of his other friends till business dies down again. Hes fairly close to hiring a full time employee.
     
  14. NoPartyAffiliation

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    Thank you. I hired two new people in January and another one this month. These are permanent hires. For exactly the reasons you describe. Demand has surged. If I don't handle the business, someone else will get those clients. Only a complete idiot would lose clients and the extra six figures in income, because someday, maybe that magic bogeyman might do something bad or because of a health law that may not even exist after the next election - or may be modified anyway.
     
  15. rsay32

    rsay32 New Member Past Donor

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    Shhhhhhhh.............you might make a republican head explode. They can't handle that much truth with their propaganda pie.
     
  16. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    You should voluntarily pay higher taxes. Share the wealth.

    Rich people are more likely to be Democrats rather than conservatives.
     
  17. NoPartyAffiliation

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    I'll pay taxes as outlined in the code and prepared by a very smart (obviously "elitist) CPA / JD / LLM. Which means my effective rate will probably be around 20% this year. Still lower than my secretary but hey, I don't write the code.
     
  18. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    I think you are one of the one percenters. Btw, a CPA/JD/LLM should have better things to do than prepare Form 1040s.
     
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    most people are that way, so best to fix the loop wholes, better yet, make a flat tax where all income is treated as income, offer everyone a tax free first 20k or whatever the poverty limit is and then 30% for every dollar after that
     
  20. NoPartyAffiliation

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    Well I guess it depends on who he's doing them for. I think the fact that he does my 1120's as well, might have something to do with it.
     
  21. kowalskil

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    What is a basis for this statement?
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  22. shaker154

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    in theory yes, but 20k is a little low, i could see a 2 level graduated tax rate where your first 20 k is free then a low 10% tax on the next 20k then your 25% on anything over that... its still higher than what people pay now. But hell republicans and some democrats signed a pledge to never raise taxes (an idea that was originally thought of be a 12 year old) so thatll never happen.
     
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    All of which was handed to him by.......the GOP.
     
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    And if you are like me, taxes come in at about 32 on my list of 10 things to consider when hiring or expanding.
     
  25. NoPartyAffiliation

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    Correct. We just picked up more contracts than we've seen in years. If I fill them, I'll NET an extra $2 - $300K this year alone. But I had to hire people or risk losing the contracts. Guess whether or not ObamaCare and the someday, maybe, might be possibility of taxes raised affected my decision to hire? Not.
     

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