Obama Threatens the American People with a Gov't Shut Down

You're right, IMO it would be far better to make Medicare available to all and bypass private insurers altogether.

 

The Mayor doesn't respond to people who can't get their tenses correct.

Generally speaking the goal of a law isn't to effect the destruction of persons or institutions in the past.

When you figure out how the English language works, come on back and give your query another shot.

According to you people, the fact that it is constitutional, which can't be said about MessiahCare.

And rather than address what may or may not be actual problems, you, and the fascists you elected, passed an unconstitutional bill that they then exempted themselves from (but you're not exempted) because it's going to entail MASSIVE RATIONING....

....but you don't mind MASSIVE RATIONING when your Messiah and Racist does it...do you?

With privately provided insurance, the people had the ability to use the law to resolve issues.

MessiahCare is up to some 30,000 pages now. Who are you going to go to when THE LAW itself is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing you in the ass? Another bureaucrat? Or are you going to attempt to get a special exemption from your Congressthing, Senator, or King?

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The CR bills should be written to refuse all back pay for furloughed employees.

They didn't work, why should they be paid? It's not the taxpayers' fault they didn't work, it's Hairy No Discernible Negro Dialect Reid's fault, and King Obama's.

 

King Obama and Hairy No Discernible Negro Dialect Reid shut everything down. The GOP provided multiple valid and functional Continuing Resolution to the Senate. Hairy No Discernible Negro Dialect Reid choose to shut the government down rather than accept a bill that funded the government.

 

Well, if you poll only the 65,000,000 people (can't call them "Americans") that were stupid enough to vote for King Obama, Racist, Fascist, Traitor and Petulant Whiny Little Boy, you're going to find 65,000,000 people stupid enough to believe anything.

Just look at them. How many were also stupid enough to fall for that Global Warming hoax?

Explain where and when King Obama discussed the budget issue with the Speaker of the House, a COEQUAL branch of government, and THE branch of government CONSTITUITONALLY tasked with originating spending bills... and what REQUESTS did King Obama make for the necessary CR's?

Oh. King Obama, who negotiates with terrorists, dictators, and religious crackpots....can't be bothered to discuss issues with the ONE PERSON he needs to have discussions with...the Speaker of the House.

What's that? You said only dictators can't be bothered with requesting things of their legislative bodies?

You're absolutely right.

 

So when is Obamacare, which uses private insurance, going to destroy private insurance?

To the contrary. Obamacare was legitimately passed by the Congress, with over 60% vote in the Senate, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court.

What massive rationing is it going to entail and when?

Why is it that whenever conservatives have nothing legitimate to argue, they start making baseless and unprovable claims about what's going to happen in the future?

Who says they can't?

How is THE LAW going to be (*)(*)(*)(*)ing me in the ass?

Let me guess, another unprovable claim about what's going to happen in the future.

Would you like to see some stories about private insurance companies (*)(*)(*)(*)ing people in the ass? Or people getting (*)(*)(*)(*)ed in the ass when they lost their job and couldn't afford health insurance?

Why should they be punished because of a bunch of terrorists in the House?

If anyone shouldn't get paid it's Boehner and the Tea Party nutjobs.

 

Don't negotiate with terrorists. You just encourage them to continue with terrorist activities.

 

If Obama were smart he would jump at the chance to delay a year.

Kevin Counihan, chief executive of Connecticut’s exchange, Access Health CT: “It is highly complex , it’s unprecedented and it’s not going to be smooth…. This is a two- to three-year implementation we’re doing in 10 months. I wish we had one more year.”

 

If there was a chance in hell it could be delayed a year without the GOP trying to kill it outright, you might have a point.

 

Yes, better a system that doesn't work than the chance of fixing it.

Here is what might happen. The people that the system needs to sign up are the most internet savvy, the young who are used to easy interfaces. If they lose interest and just pay the fine, then when it does start working, and that might be months from now, the most interested, the sick, will sign up. That creates what is called a death spiral in insurance. A death spiral occurs when not enough young and healthy people buy insurance, resulting in an “insurance pool” whose members tend to be older and sicker. The pool is thus more expensive to cover, causing insurers to raise prices resulting in even more young and healthy people dropping out. This process continues until the insurance pool is so expensive to cover that insurance prices are appealing only to people who are older and sicker.

 

Fine.

Explain why all followers of Kenyanesian economics claim it's NEVER possible to cut government spending.

Your problem is with those fools, not with the Mayor.

People who believe government spending can't, and worse, shouldn't be cut, are fools, and there's no other polite word fit for them.

FINE.

When do YOU want government spending cut, what gets cut, why, and how much?

Place your response on responsible interpretation of the Constitution.

Also, let us know, if you can find it out, which parties controlled the House of Representatives and when.

 

That would be because they *are* private insurance.

No, it couldn't, because without the individual mandate, a "can't exclude for pre-existing conditions" law would have bankrupted the insurance companies.

The rest of the "massive Obamacare nightmare" is practical stuff like the exchanges, modifications to Medicare, setting up the subsidy system to make sure people who are required to buy health care can actually afford it, etc.

We'll see. However, I'm not particularly worried. Poll after poll shows that young people value health insurance. And young people eventually turn into old people, who will in turn be subsidized by the young people of that time. It's a way to keep costs manageable for everyone.

What's more, all of us should *want* young people to have insurance, so that they aren't financially ruined if they get hit by a truck or come down with an expensive disease. The Koch-funded effort to persuade young people not to buy insurance is chillingly cynical.

 

Right.

The House GOP should simply pass individual very specific CR's for the essential aspects of government that must be funded and cease all communications with Hairy No Discernible Negro Dialect Reid, King Obama, and the other DemocRAT terrorists.

 

I'm sure there are a lot of people who support terrorists.

 

Hey, I'm all about fixes. It's the Republicans who have refused to allow any such fixes to pass.

With the current GOP, "delay" means "death" for Obamacare. So no, Obama would be stupid to allow that.

And Koch is working hard to make that happen. Huzzah!

Oh, and the Republicans have denied any funding for advertising the exchanges, making it that much harder to reach out to young people and let them know what's up. Huzzah!

Again, I'm not particularly worried; I think young people are savvy enough -- and plugged in enough -- to figure things out.

But conservatives and the GOP can go to hell the hard way for the frankly reprehensible crap they're pulling in trying to kill the law.

 

LOL, you have a link for that or is that the usual proxy word usage?

 

Yo realise nobody takes you seriously because you sound like a 10 year old right?

You would get further with argument of substance instead of stupidity

 

I don't do random word sprays like so many posters around here.
http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-battle-moves-to-college-campuses-200027191.html


Generation Opportunity, a Virginia-based group that is part of a coalition of right-leaning organizations with financial ties to billionaire businessmen and political activists Charles and David Koch, will launch a six-figure campaign aimed at convincing young people to “opt-out” of the Obamacare exchanges. Later this month, the group will begin a tour of 20 college campuses, where they plan to set up shop alongside pro-Obamacare activists such as Enroll America that are working to sign people up for the insurance exchanges.

Generation Opportunity intends to host events at college football tailgate parties festivals, where “brand ambassadors” (read: hot young people) will pass out beer koozies that read “opt out,” pizza and literature about the health care law. Some events may have impromptu dance parties with DJ’s, complete with games of cornhole and competitions for prizes, organizers said.

Their message: You don’t have to sign up for Obamacare. And they want students to sign a pledge not get insurance plans set up by the law.

 

You mean that dreadfully expensive TAX on people who choose not to be insured (the TAX is 95 clams, v thousands for insurance) until they have a "condition", at which time they pay for future insurance coverage...because they can't be rejected?

Why would any 20-something pay for health insurance when they have health, when they can't be declined for a pre-existing condition if they're unlucky enough to lose it? Yes, it's perfectly clear that today's twenty-year olds are totally stupid...how else could their support for a fascist like Obama be explained?... but they are not so stupid as to not realize that $95 < thousands of dollars (to help those people stupid enough to vote for Obama the "<" symbol means "less than")

So, by deliberate fascist DemocRAT design, the unconstitutional "individual MANDATE" can't do what the fascists that lied to you claimed it could do. Why haven't you bothered to figure this out?

You mean rather, taking funds away from Medicare to finance MessiahCare.....after all, who cares about the old farts anyway? The sooner they die, the sooner you DemocRATS will be able to grab their estates and taxes, and right now they're just a financial burden and you'd rather spend the money buying votes from younger and stupider saps.

Can you tell us what Bernie Madoff went to prison for?

Just curious.

 

If pre-existing conditions would bankrupt insurance then why won't pre-existing conditions bankrupt insurance? That argument just presented was that a law requiring pre-existing conditions would bankrupt insurance, yet that is what was passed with Obamacare. Is insurance now immune to the same thing?

My daughter has done the math and it will be cheaper for her to pay the penalty than pay the full price of Obamacare (she is below the 138% poverty level so does not qualify for any subsidies).

 

Because of the individual mandate. The cost of covering people with pre-existing conditions can be spread across the whole populace.

Before, people who felt "invincible" often didn't buy insurance. In that situation, selling insurance to people who are already sick is financial suicide.

Of course it will be cheaper to pay the penalty. Of course, for that you get no insurance, and are one bad accident away from bankruptcy. Huzzah!

 

The propaganda of fear. Don't worry, if she had one bad accident, she gets health care anyway. That will beat paying half of what she earns for an Obamacare plan.

 

In the future. That's the sole purpose of MessiahCare.

No. It was not.

It was passed out of the Senate, where it originated, with "60" votes, the bare minimum, but Al Franken was the most minimum of the bare minimum, given that he took the Senate seat from the actual winner of the election via a process you people claim doesn't exist. That process is called "vote fraud".

The massive rationing is going to entail people dying.

In the future.

Don't you know anything?

If you knew anything, you'd know the Mayor had already written off detailed responses to lightweights that voted for Obama. No American voted for Obama, but only Americans deserve the Mayor's full attention.

Let's put it this way.....Gene Kelley is singin' in the rain right now.

It's not baseless, it's merely pointless to provide proof when the demand for same isn't serious. After all, NO ONE who understands the actuarial basis of insurance would consider implementing anything like MessiahCare, the only possible result is the destruction of insurance companies. That's as obvious as Obama's other treasons.

And if you need to have that much explained to you, you really need to ask someone who has an interest in educating you. Call up your Senator and ask him why he's supporting a program that will destroy private insurance, for example.

The federal bureaucracy. You fascists put other fascists in power, and, to take the EPA for example, a couple bought a plot of land to build their retirement home on and the county gave them authorization to clear a blockage on a drainage culvert that was supposed to be cleared anyway. The EPA sued them and, after they were bankrupted, the courts said they could go ahead and build now....they had no money.

Why would another fascist bureaucracy, MessiahCare be different? You people gave the thugs at the DMV the keys to doctor's office. You must be so proud!

sigh....people with the ability to vote for Obama NEVER have the ability to recognize metaphors.

No need. Who's got the bigger tool when it comes to butt(*)(*)(*)(*)ing, an insurance company or the federal government?

Which has nore money.

 

LOL. Wow, you may need professional help.

 

Baseless claim.

Last I checked, 60 votes was more than a majority to pass a bill, enough to avoid a filibuster, and the legitimate way to pass a law.

So tell me, where is the 60 votes in the Senate that repealed Obamacare?

Utter nonsense.

Making (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

sure.

Based on what you just wrote, anyone who reads it could tell the Mayor is completely irrational. It shows.

What a wit.