Palestinian statehood bid .

Which part of The Palestinians recognised Israel at Oslo...it was one of the pre-conditions for the Oslo Accords. do you have such difficulty understanding?

 

News flash, the Likud will NEVER recognize Palestine. Never.

So, this one-sided excuse "oh Palestine doesn't recognize "Israel" what evil people" is useless.

The second, "Israel" has done far, far, far, far, far more to Palestinians than the other way around. The ratios are disturbing, and convienently hidden from Americans through the media. If only you knew what you were supporting.... Oh wait:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

"Israel" illegally occupies, settles, and blockades Palestinians and you expect Palestinians to put it all aside (while it's still happening) and recognize the Zionist state? What will recongizing their oppressors get them?

What did recognizing and suppoting "Israel" for decaded get Turkey? What benefits does blind support for "Israel" given the USA?

Recongizing "Israel" is proven to be a mistake.

Salam

 

Do you know what else is a very practical precondition? Stopping the settlement building while claiming to want peace.

Plus, that is not the only precondition for Netanyahoo. Forget his speech to congress? There's plenty more.

Lmao what does the PA have to do with the anti-government protests??? What?

If "Israel" converted to Islam, it would be Palestine. These Jews came from Europe, the minority are actually Middle Eastern and lived in the land far longer than the Zionazis have PEACEFULLY with Muslims and Christians.

Your hasbara is weak.

Salam.

 

They should change the name from the White House to the Mad House.

 

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said on Friday that the Palestinians plan to approach the United Nations Security Council for full recognition, clarifying that they are seeking to delegitimize the occupation, not Israel, by taking the UN route for Palestinian statehood.

He stressed that Israel is a legitimate state, but that by continuing to build in the settlements and rejecting the internationally recognized borders of a future Palestinian state, they are engaging in illegitimate activity.

From here, among the posturings of Bibi

And an example of Israeli panic...a very special UN status just for Palestine so they can't access the ICJ!

Israeli panic masquerading as magnanimity

And the US share
Got to do something so we don't look like the bad guys!

Kinda get the impression that the US and Israel are doing an excellent headless chicken imitation.

 

' Hypocrisy clothed in pragmatism '

 

Yes automatic access to the ICC is a wonderful prize no matter if the carrot eaters in the UN press that veto button or not.



I see many days ahead filled with filing lawsuits and arrest warrants.

 

Guess who is continuing his Zionist-cuddling ? The deal is, I guess, that Billary gets to replace Obama.

Incidentally, he did not have sex with that woman.

 

I see it looks as if the petition may well hit the million signature mark by the time the UN meets. Good mix of nationalities signing it as well.

(Just posting this to bump the thread as I'd hate it to drop off the front page before the UN deliberations)

 

I was talking to 2 American and two Canadian friends today really worried about the affect this Veto thing will have on them here.
They are genuinely scared and thinking of going to Sharm el Sheikh for a month.
We were all going to have dinner together in one of the Americans house but it's been cancelled on Tuesday now.

These donkeys in the White House don't care at all about the repercussions their actions have on ordinary Americans who have to work abroad and don't agree with their insane policies.
They are the ones who suffer.

 

Veto time baby.

 

This is getting to be quite amusing.

But Tony Blair and the US really want to stop arse licking Netanyahu.

The great agreement that is meant to stop the Palestinians going to the UN....well you couldn't make it up....it is same old, same old!!

Regarding the proposed borders of a future Palestinian state, Netanyahu reportedly agreed to a vaguer wording concerning the West Bank's main settlement blocs. One Quartet draft spoke of negotiations based on the 1967 borders, with land swaps, with borders that are not identical to those of 1967 and taking into account "demographic reality on the ground."

Netanyahu gave his consent to have a more ambiguous wording to that statement, in order to provide the Americans and Blair more leeway with the Palestinian side. and to allow himself to have more leeway to interpret the ambiguity in whatever way it suits him. Demographic reality on the ground is just another term for land theft. Israel is well aware and has been from the outset that the settlements are illegal. Why should Israel be rewarded for ignoring International Law?. And I'm sure it is no coincidence that the places where the settlements are are the places where the Palestinian water is.

On the subject of recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, an older version of the Quartet proclamation offered "two states for two nations, with Israel as a Jewish state and the national home of the Jewish people."

Netanyahu agreed to compromise here as well, and allow the statement to speak of two states for two as well as of two national states, without mentioning a "Jewish state." Dare I say I told you so?

Furthermore, the premier also reportedly agreed to be more flexible on the length of future negotiations as well as on security assurances, a subject he has until now refused to address and which was not included in the Quartet's July statement.

American officials want the current version to limit negotiations to six months, while Netanyahu is prepared to agree to one year of peace talks.

But not a word on stopping building and expanding settlements. So just think how many more could go up on the West Bank in a year!

Glad to see the Palestinians have learned from past mistakes.

Speaking of their repeated rejections of Quartet drafts, Palestinian officials have said that the United States was working with cooperation with Israel, going as far as saying that Blair spoke to them like an "Israeli diplomat" and not like an international emissary, adding that U.S. Mideast envoy Dennis Ross used "undiplomatic language."

I said elsewhere Blair was teeing himself up for next year's Israeli Peace Prize and the money that comes with it..but you'd have thought he wouldn't have made it so obvious....but as a Labour Friend of Israel, he maybe can't contain the excitement.

Blair trys hard for next year's Israeli Peace Prize

Be interesting to see if the final version of the offer, when it hits the media, is any less woolly than the various draft stages make it appear but if not, you can hardly blame Abbas for deciding it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

Ambiguity in presentation is not something to be recommended.. .particularly when the Israeli side is so adept at interpreting and reinterpreting even the most straightforward plain English document into something more akin to a bedtime story for the gullible.

 

His relationship with Monica was an uneven one, akin to the relationship between the US and the UK....In other words, the weaker of the two parties being on their knees sublimating all interests to the stronger.

 

And I thought oral sex was fun for all involved.

 

Why would you say that? Out of pure igorance? Re-read what I said and try again.

RevA

 

Iolo, yes we are all one. All paid spies. We all share a booth at headquarters for Spies Inc.

Rev, pass me a diet coke will you?

 

Probably? Any evidence of that particularly since I support the two state solution in line with the Arab League's proposal? (Not to mention the fact that I am against racism, sexism, islamophobia and anti-semitism).

Any quote at all?

 

Not if its you who is the one that's constantly giving head....Lol.

 

Did you guys get last pay check???? i didnt........

 

I would be happy to, I gave up drinking strong stuff some time ago (I do allow myself wine) but I do not begrudge a friend a drink or whatever God given herbal supplement or feel good they prefer. I look at it as a kind of sacrament eh? So would you like one of my old favs, a shot of Bacardi’s 121 with that ? Trying to participate in rational conversation in this section of the PF forum may require it! Ha ha! I may fall off the wagon long enough to share something better than the 121 and coke, what about a shot of ice cold moonshine and ice water? A couple of shots of mountain LSD will cure all things, even having to put up with the usual suspects here at PF.

Rev A

 

Hi Gilos! What’s a paycheck? I haven’t seen one of those in a long time. I think they are extinct here in the USA. I know they existed some time ago in the ancient past. I think it was called the 'Regan years era' or 'the wall street shuffle, ie the 90's', because I have the fossil evidence, little stubs that have big numbers and writing all over them...

Rev A

 

Does anyone know why Israel and the USA are so dead against the Palestinian's going to the UN?

If Israel are in the right they will have no problems, so they obviously know they are on a shoogly peg...as we appear to be at the threats stage now.....

US and European negotiators have urged Israel to refrain from taking punitive measures against the Palestinians if they press ahead with their bid to win recognition of a home state at the United Nations.

The Israeli government is considering a range of retaliatory steps, including withholding customs revenues it collects on behalf of the Palestinian Authority under the terms of the Oslo accords. The amount, around 400m shekels (£69m), is forwarded to the PA each month.

Other punitive measures proposed by Israeli ministers include annexing the West Bank settlements to Israel and tearing up the Oslo accords, under which the PA was given control of parts of the West Bank and Gaza.

A bit hypocritical of the US though, given....The US Congress has also threatened to halt American funding of the PA if the UN move goes ahead. "You don't barter your rights for money," said Shaath. He said Arab states had given the PA assurances that they would make up any shortfall, and the Europeans and Japanese had also pledged not to cut funds.

A poll conducted for the BBC found that more people in 19 countries support recognition of a Palestinian state than oppose it. On average, 49% supported the move and 21% opposed it.

In the US, which has pledged to veto a proposal put before the UN security council, 45% backed the proposal and 36% were against. Support was highest in Muslim countries. In the UK, 53% were in favour and 26% opposed.


Israel (and US) getting ready to throw dummy out of pram

 

I'm just wondering how a totally illegitimate international organization that totally lacks credibility like the UN can adjudicate anything with respect to Israel, as via stealth non-violent jihad the Islamic world hijacked and co-opted the UN since the 1970s to turn it into a weapon of mass destruction that has been used ever since against the Jewish infidels in Israel? Indeed, this is the same illegitimate organization that appoints the world's worse violators of human rights to serve as arbiters for human rights. The truth is the UN is the biggest joke in the history of the world and it has exactly zero credibility.