Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I never needed this credit anyway.

    Seriously, forget what you said this soon?
     
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    Pretty silly of him to use printed word then isn't it? Especially when he is all powerful and could have simply made everyone know his message without such limitations.
     
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    Violates the freewill clause in the Law
     
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    How so? Making somebody know your message doesn't mean they will follow or obey it. You just read and understood my message here and I have a sneaking suspicion you maintain free will to disagree with me.

    Now translate what I wrote above into many languages over a long period of time and spread it far and wide, and watch it split into numerous conflicting statements over centuries. That can happen to me and I can't stop it because I lack the power of God.
     
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    Yep, like I said in my previous post all you have are denials.

    So give me just one name of a poster who proved that the Holy Bible is not "God Breathed" inerrant word of God, what is that one poster's name? Also include his proof, bring up the quote/quotes he presented on these threads.

    The truth is there are no such posters, you've made that up with that forked tongue of yours...lol

    Why do you say things that you know you can't back up? Such dishonesty...wow!

    But anyway when it comes to Our Creator Almighty God/Holy Bible, no one can prove/disprove anything...that's just the reality.
     
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    YOu are the one in denial .. which is why you cherry picked the first sentence out of my post and ignored proof of claim. You have had it handed to you so many times on this topic its not even funny - and all you come up with this time is negation fallacy = the lack of proof would not make your claim true.

    The irony here is that it has been "Proven" not true - - as one version of the Bible says one thing - and another says something different.
     
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    What no name of that poster?...yep exactly what I knew, you made it up. Ok gift, I have to move on now, of course if your questions, comments come up as I go along these threads of mine you can bet your bottom boots that I will respond to them.
     
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    I try to get Christian to think with this type of reply.

    I think it reasons why no moral Jesus would ask nor accept such a demonstrably immoral notion.

    They mostly do not care if they have to sin to be saved.

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    On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

    It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

    Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

    It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

    To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

    Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

    Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

    Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

    There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

    Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

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    True.

    That shows a rather sick minded god who does not allow freedom of thought.

    Why do you like that prick again?

    Atheists are all domed to hell, even if they want to believe.

    What a **** of a god you follow.

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    You cherry picked from my post -- one sentence - prior to repeating premise "The Bible is 100% God Breathed" - ignoring all commentary to the contrary ...followed by accusing the messenger of avoidance.. an effort in pure projection - what you are doing onto others.

    There are many reasons why the majority of Christianity rejects this position - none of which you are able to address - and hence post nonsense .. such as what is written above - rambling gibberish .. posing instead of legitimate answers to difficult questions.

    You still havn't told me which Bible is "God's Word" - ? because indoing so - your position is lost.
     
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    Actually it's pretty silly of you to think you know better than Our Creator Almighty God!
     
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    Because it is about you and your life.
     
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    atheists have equally as much or more so faith that theists, so of course they will be saved.
     
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    Ya.

    No one thinks better than a genocidal garbage god.

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    I never did anything to hurt Jesus or any Christians and I certainly never asked him to die for me.
     
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    No Actually - it is you who thinks they know better than the Almighty- now trying to project your failings onto others.

    It it is you who is continually "Speaking for God" - putting words in God's mouth while at the same time rejecting the teachings of "The Logos"

    You have claimed salvation is by "Faith Alone" That faith is a free pass into the Kingdom - ... but this is not what "Gods Word" - The Logos Says. This is what your idol Martin Luther says - and you are trying to substitute the words Lord Martin for "Gods Word"

    Woe to the one who usurps the position of the Logos - usurps the position of God - commiting the "abomination of desolation" -the "Awfull Horror" - the one sin for which there is no forgiveness - which is one of the reasons why I do not engage in such conduct.

    Cease from these fundamentalist snake charmer websites - that is the path to darkness.
     
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    My ONE(1) question for Christians is this:

    Which version of the Bible(S) is the actual "Word of God"?
     
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    But it's not at all silly when it's some guy claiming to speak FOR him with no real evidence to support that claim.
     
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    Oh, the one that particular Christian is using, of course.
     
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    When the Bible was first written writing was magical. Still is to many people.
     
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    It is so silly for you to claim that I claimed to speak for Our Creator Almighty God. I made no such claim whatsoever...silly you!...lol So of course your claim is a falsehood.

    For me to make such a claim would be for me to declare that I'm a prophet of Our Creator Almighty God and that He speaks through me...that is so ludicrously silly!

    So where is that declaration I've made?...don't bother to look for it because it's no where to be found, you've either made that up or you're suffering from a common affliction that a lot of you unbelievers suffer from it's called misinterprelitus. You most likely misinterpreted something I've said to come away falsely claiming that I claimed to speak for Our Creator Almighty God.

    Our Creator Almighty God doesn't need anyone to speak for Him because He has already spoken. What He has already spoken can be found in His Best Selling Book of All-Time, the Holy Bible. He has revealed everything He wanted to tell humankind in that Book of His. I'm just here reiterating what He has already spoken. When I make statements that has biblical truths in them, I back up my statements by presenting the Scripture, the verse, the passage of where it came from in the Holy Bible. We Christians have learned that all Scripture is inspired by Our Creator Almighty God.

    We Read in Scripture:

    16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 NLT

    Lastly, I'm not here trying to prove anything so if that's what you're thinking I'm trying doing well you're wrong. Besides as I've said numerous of times before no one can prove/disprove anything regarding Our Creator Almighty God/Holy Bible that's just the reality.

    I suggest you read my very first post on this thread it will explain the purpose of this thread and all the other 37 that I generated. But anyway if can't believe anything written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible then so be it. Don't waste my precious time coming to my threads asking or saying silly things just to make a mockery out of the Christian faith and its followers if that is your true purpose.
     
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    Ahi, I see, It's not me saying anything, I have this book. It comes all the way from the Bronze Age and it's been translated 8 or 12 or 16 times but don't worry none of those were wrong in any way, And I'm not interpreting it in any way myself. I'm just RIGHT doncha know?.

    God, no wonder we eat missionaries. Citing your own delusion as proof of that same delusion. Even we savages don't do that.

    Fire up the pot boys, he's not fat but he looks lean and nourishing. Don't worry Friar Frog, we'll heat you up real slow, you'll never even notice.
     
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    Apparently you think he needs printed word to speak for him. Printed word that has multiple conflicting versions, isn't internally consistent, and often conflicts with observed reality. Printed word that you believe is from him, while others believe other printed word is from him. Printed word that would be completely unnecessary if he actually existed and was actually all powerful and beyond such limitation.

    I find this focus on profit very odd. Best selling book? When money is made off of this book, who takes on the money? Is it God's intent to be a profitable scam?

    Oh? So if it isn't in that book, it isn't something he wants to tell you? So he doesn't want to tell you slavery, genocide, and rape are bad?
     
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    The Bible not only approves but commands genocide, tolerates slavery and if you rape a girl you have to pay her father 50 shekels, and marry her (no word on whether the shekels go to the wedding caterer)
     
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    What...Ahi?...lol Ahi is the name Hawaiians call yellowfin tuna. So do you mean to start your statement by first saying "Yellowfin tuna, I see"?...lol

    But anyway all kidding aside and responding to your first statement. When I quote anything from Scripture, I am essentially quoting Our Creator Almighty God, He is the source of all those quotes and yes those quotes are written in a book but it is not just like any other book...no!..no!..my dear boy!

    This book is a Special Book and so it's not just an ordinary book, but it is a Sacred Book, a Historical Book, an Instructional Book, a Book that is the inspired Word of God, Our Creator! This Special Sacred Book contains revelations from Our Creator Almighty God. This Special Sacred Book may look like one book, but it is actually sixty-six rolled into one and I wholeheartedly believe everything written in it because I believe and have faith in Our Creator Almighty God!

    Having the right equipment is often the difference between success and failure. A climber on Mount Fuji will not use equipment bought from a mom and pop thrifty store, these professionals are really picky about using the right equipment as they know it can be really dangerous if they aren't.

    Life as we all know can be dangerous too, so it is essential that we use the right equipment. One of those pieces of equipment is Our Creator Almighty God's Holy Bible. It’s like His owner’s manual for your life. Like any good owner’s manual, the Holy Bible gives you instructions and you can consult it when you need help. There are messages of encouragement, hope, inspiration and guidance that millions have discovered by reading this very Special Sacred Book. There they find satisfying answers to life's most perplexing questions and difficult problems.

    We Read in Scripture:

    16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 NLT

    As I've said earlier the Holy Bible is sixty-six books rolled into one. Thirty-nine books in the Old Testament and twenty-seven books in the New Testament. Our Creator Almighty God used as many as forty authors over a time period of many centuries to write the sixty-six books of the Holy Bible. This makes each book unique but even though each book has its own character and style each contributes to Our Creator Almighty God's life changing message. You might ask, "What is that message?" Well, through the Holy Bible Our Creator Almighty God makes it very clear that He loves us and has a plan to save us from the destructive power of sin.

    So yes, it's not me saying anything, I have this book...this very Special Sacred Book, the Holy Bible the Word of God that says it all and yes I believe it all!

    What does it matter what age it comes from in human history?...answer...any intellectually honest person would say it doesn't matter one bit!

    Does it make it automatically invalid, untruthful, filled with nothing but lies? Sorry but that's not a good valid argument. Again, no one can prove/disprove anything...that's just the reality but of course you can always have your opinions, assumptions, speculations, guesses, theories...etc.

    If it came from our current time, multitudes of people today would believe being first hand witnesses if they saw Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ performing all those miraculous feats mentioned in the New Testament but unbelievers in the 41st century if mankind is still around when that time comes will say the same thing as you're saying now only difference is that they will be saying, "It comes all the way from the 21st century".

    Again, not a good valid argument. Translations occur because languages change over time, in other words languages are constantly evolving. So to keep up with the evolving languages translations have to be made so it can be readily understood by the reader. Here below is an example of a 14th century Wycliffe Bible translation in English quoting the passage of John 14:1-4.

    Be not youre herte affraied, ne drede it. Ye bileuen in god, and bileue ye in me. In the hous of my fadir ben many dwellyngis: if ony thing lasse I hadde seid to you, for I go to make redi to you a place. And if I go and make redi to you a place, eftsone I come and I schal take you to my silf, that where I am, ye be. And whidir I go ye witen: and ye witen the wey.

    Now below is the current English translation from the NLT Bible quoting the same passage.

    14 “Don’t let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, and trust also in me. 2 There is more than enough room in my Father’s home. If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you? 3 When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.” John 14:1-4 NLT

    Any Christian of today who understands English fluently will undoubtedly prefer the current NLT Bible translation over a 14 Century Wycliffe Bible translation obviously.

    And when it comes to comparing some of the English translated Bibles of today the KJV and NAS for example attempt to take the underlying Hebrew and Greek words and translate them into the closest corresponding English words as they possibly can (word for word), while the NLT a Bible that I use frequently along with the NIV Bible attempt to take the original thought that was being presented in Greek and Hebrew and then express that thought in English (thought for thought). Then many of the other translations attempt to meet in the middle between those two methods I mentioned.

    So really the bottom line is that translations are not an issue to the believers but of course for the unbelievers they make a big deal out of it because they wrongfully believe it discredits the Holy Bible which makes them feel good until they realize...nope...they're wrong as usual.

    Really?...you need psychiatric help but first they need to lock you up in a high security prison cell by yourself with absolutely no roommates whatsoever...lol

    You're actually the one that's delusional and you don't even realize it...lol...so funny! Believing in the fairy tale that everything in existence came about from nothing and not from the Creator Almighty God is well so ridiculously silly and illogical. The logically true statement states that, "From nothing, nothing comes." Now wrap that around your delusional non-thinking mind of yours perhaps maybe if you put a wee little effort into it you might come out of that delusional state you're in...lol

    Yep, you definitely need some psychiatric help no doubt about that...lol

    To close my chat with you I would like end by saying it is just so foolish not to believe in Our Creator Almighty God!

    We Read in Scripture.

    1 Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good! Psalm 53:1 NLT
     
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