Putin begs NATO for a peaceful solution (in order to avoid the new sanctions),How is

This last statement of yours is not true nor is such an idea held by the Russian Military as anyone can Google internal made public GRU reports dating back to 1991 shortly after the first Persian Gulf War that have the GRU stating that it is imperative that a newer Tank be designed and developed to counter the American Abrams Tank which this U.S. Tank having Depleted Uranium Armour as well as computerized turret stabilizers allowing the Abrams to fire at top speed as well as having next generation Integrated Service Target and Acquisitioning capability had shown the U.S. Abrams capability as it destroyed Soviet Made T-72's at will without a single U.S. Abrams Tank being destroyed by enemy fire.

Now this GRU report went on to say that Soviet Personal were much better trained in Tank Warfare than Iraqi Troops but the GRU report such better Soviet Training would NOT counter the U.S. Abrams Armour or Capability.

Such like reports were made again by the GRU in 1994, 1996, 1999, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010 and in 2013.

You can't compare a U.S. Abrams Tank to a T-72 as even upgraded versions of the T-72 have no chance in battle against an Abrams.

AboveAlpha

 

How? Differently. I told it several times it already.

If not you my country wouldn't collapse. If not you - Ukraine would not collapse. If not you Yugoslavia wouldn't collapse. If not you czechoslovakia wouldn't collapse. Libya. Syria... And there would be less blood in these countries if not your bloody assistance.
1) The program of utilization of soviet mass destruction weapons was not for russian interests. But for american interests. Because most of this weapon was made and designed against you and not us. So actually it is you who should be grateful to russians who accepted the impossibility to rule the world with the help of weapons. Americans haven't developed to this level of humanitarian activity so far.
2) Most of mass destruction weapons was held in the territory of Russia. And it was russian. ANd it was destroyed in Russia. So there is no point in exaggerating and misleading the public who can really believe anything including a lie that most of these weapons were based in Georgia and Ukraine that were hostile to Russia from the beginning.
The reality is that Georgia had an american triggered problem with Ossetia and Abkhazia. THe slaughter there was stopped by russians and not you, who paid and invested into radio propaganda aiming at national hostility between these nations. Later it was americans who lead into power their puppet Saakashvilli who had to excape from Georgia recently.
Ukraine was not at all hostile to Russia at the time of USSR collapse. It chose independence hoping for better economy than Russia. They took soviet agriculture and industry and no soviet debts to end up like they did recently with completely american 'help'.
3) Destroying the weapons of your rival is a humiliation rather than help. So I again propose the destruction of any of your weapons for russian money. If you want to save on that and to pay off your debt or to use the money for medical care - ask russians to 'help'. I bet that Putin will do the same.

Lie. Russia paid for every convoy during the lend lease which has never reached shores of USSR during the WW2. It paid even for the debts of russian Tzars made by them while protecting Europe against Germany in a WW1. We haven't paid all the percentage that was mercyfully 'forgiven'.

This organisation has no power. It is of no importance. The russian military bases that were removed from eastern europe without any money for a promise (that was forgotten) not to extend NATO there worth much more than all the american 'help' that was shown to all the countries for its history.

It would be much better if you attacked Russia. Because we lost so many guys who trusted americans the time of 90s and who had to die in poverty because of our national humiliation that it would be much better if they had at least a chance to fight against those who attempted to kill us.

 

1) In a modern war (like in a previous war but due to different reasons) it is not a task for an armor to intercept another armor. The armors are mostly destroyed from the air like it was in the war on Persian gulf. Firing at the top speed is a good advertisement. It is the same as firing a shot from a T-72 armor while it is 'jumping' over the hill. In reality the task of an armor is different. It should destroy the defense line and move fast to a key location, being able to protect itself with passive (armor) and active (SAMs) defense systems. So basically it is the same. You try to set up a task for russian military or for russian tank that it is not designed for.
A counterquestion. How many bridges and rivers that exist in Russia will be able to be passed by your Abrams armor with its heavy weight? And if every Abrams armor requires a personal truck with self made bridge or system to cross rivers - what kind of protection these trucks have? Wouldn't it be easier to let as money Abramses inside Russia and then to capture them once they run our of fuel without the possibility to cross numerous russian rivers?

Besides, it was GRU and the times of 1991-1993 which failed to preserve the Soviet State from a typical 'color revolution' initiated from USA.

 

Hey...don't try to blame US for the collapse of the Soviet Union as no one was forcing all those Soviet Leaders to build Tanks and Personal Carriers by the tens of thousands.

Russia had a very good chance to reenter the world as a democratic and free society that although had to go through tough times in the 1990's by NOW if Putin had not cancelled the joint U.S./Russian Siberian Development Project....Russia could now being enjoying a prosperous and thriving economy.

What does Russia have instead....a leader who has seized control of the Russian Media...has jailed any Russian Company CEO's who attempted to build their company and then Putin dissolved such companies and made them state owned which are another word for PUTIN AND THE FORMER KGB OWNED....as Putin is making a very nice and large amount of money and so are any former KGB operatives as they benefit at the expense of the Russian People.

I don't know what's worse....the reality of what Putin has done or the fact most Russian's are so indoctrinated into being nothing more than puppets and slaves to the state they don't even realize when they are being SCREWED OVER!!!

You know you cry about the Cold War results but that is OVER!!!

Russian's can either attempt to make things better...or....they can remain in denial and let themselves be controlled like the good little puppets they are.

AboveAlpha

 

It was USA that was leading all these numerous arms races and star wars shows. USSR wanted to represent an alternative to american imperialism. Being able to represent a strength stronger than NATO was the only choice to do that.

Like every other central african country. The project of lowering the price for oil and delivering to the market large quantities of cheap product would of course extend the life of US for a decade or so. But there would be no thriving economy. It was not Putin but it was russians who chose their current standard of living, which is much better than in 1990s but lower than in EU. But the oil we still have. And that is a stash for our kids. We were able to get where we are without selling black blood of our motherland to those who constantly work against our lives.
It was americans who destroyed USSR. You have books from former CIA directors who told about the role of media and your agents inside USSR who acted against ideology of USSR.
If not you USSR would have won over capitalistic world and the flop which is currently inevitable for american debtors would have happened 20 years ago. But what a torture would it be for the world to despise russian blintses instead of hot dogs. What an ugly look would the world represent in soviet trousers instead of american jeans. And finally what would happen with our souls if we became as deep in blood as americans for the moment in the position of the world empire # 1.

The future belongs to regional powers and multipolar world. The world should obtain its face and take off a mask of being american. Latin America should have its standards. China deserves to define its philosophical credo. So does the EU. The same needs to happen in Africa. There need to be a growing collaboration between stable south and north to take the responsibility of the center. And if the world is big enough for a russian spot in this cultural diversity - it would be fine. If not - it is still a worthy dream of dying for.

Putin controls the media. That's right. He regained control of them. Now it is russian. Yanukovich couldn't get control of them and that's why it was so easy for the US to overthrow him in a bloody coup. I dream that every nation has its own voice, nationally controlled. Every nation deserves it.

As for jailig Putin really put to jail some thieves. Unfortunately he put into jail only those thieves who were competing with him for the power in Russia. The rest of thieves started to work with him and he gradually cleaned his team of those who wanted not only to become rich but to escape with millions off the country. That's why the sanctions of USA and EU are so useful for Russia. It is a regular scheme to control the biggest national thieves. These national thieves store their capitals abroad in the countries with the highest social standards (US and EU). The bigger the thief is the more power he gets. If a thief starts to play his own policy which is better for his own country than to US or EU he... is sentenced because of being a thief. A remarkable scheme! This why the sanctions against Russia were made against the people who make decisions! And that is exactly what is needed for every country. Every guy whatever thief he is should be a national rather than international. Because there is a small chance that a national thief at some point of his own fortune increase would get the interest not from the money but from a use for the country. This is the characteristics I can give to Putin's team. Is it perfect? Of course not! But that's something. In case that national elite belongs to US and EU there is no chance that they would act in favour of their own country. No chance! At all. Not a single one!

For you both these facts are bad. It is bad for the system you have protected for your life and you youself.

I prefer to control myself. Sometimes when I lose control of myself I need to apologize for wrong things I have done. I wish all the americans were well-controlled. By themselves and by their government which is also able to control itself.

 

The U.S. Army has an entire Division dedicated to doing such things as quickly setting up mobile and reusable bridges as within a very short time any river can be crossed after such bridges are set up.

The T-72 is really not even close to being the same as an Abram's as in every war where T-72's went up against U.S. Abram's Tanks all T-72's were destroyed and not a single Abram's has ever been destroyed by a T-72.

However your right about air power being used to destroy tanks something the U.S. Air Force is VERY good at as well so is the U.S. Army Apache Longbow Chopper.

AboveAlpha

 

So these guys will be the main aim for T-72s.

This is in Russian. Any analysis is debatable. But the most spread russian tank scored 43 and Abrams 37. It also has some photos. Interesting photos. Anyway we cannot tell that Abrams is that superior to T-72B. To compare it with T-90A is impossible. Besides it doesn't make sense. If the air superiority is lost then any tank would gain the same or better results as Abrams to any of the existing armors. But what would happen with Abrams armors if the air is won by russian planes?

http://topwar.ru/22546-t-72b-vs-m1a2-abrams.html

 

come one , you are not a vatnik, ask yourself why do you use vatan´s terminology ? Whats about the "south stream" ?http://www.euractiv.com/sections/energy/south-stream-victim-crimea-annexation-301086
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com...the-masses-to-call-for-their-own-enslavement/

SHADOW PROJECTION: THE FUEL OF WAR

more here http://www.awakeninthedream.com/wordpress/shadow-projection-the-fuel-of-war/

 

Well any Nations Air Force that wins Air Superiority will have a distinct advantage over any Mechanized Ground Force but the U.S. Air Force is not designed to achieve AIR SUPERIORITY...it is designed to achieve AIR SUPREMACY.

You know as well as I do that if there is any one service branch that the U.S. Military has an extreme capability and advantage over all other existing similar nations service branch it is the U.S. Air Force.

The current Russian Air Force has been so severely degraded and compromised in it's capabilities that over 90% of all currently existing and not Mothballed Soviet Aircraft are NOT FLYABLE.

Even if they were as we can't even talk about Russian Air Capabilities against the U.S. even in a fantasy scenario as such Russian Air Capabilities barely exist!!

Even if 100% of all Russian Aircraft could fly the USAF would still have a huge advantage and quickly obtain air supremacy.

But as things are current Russian Air Capabilities are...well....kind of embarrassing don't you think?

AboveAlpha

 

this one "South Stream victim of Crimea annexation"
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/energy/south-stream-victim-crimea-annexation-301086

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South Stream victim of Crimea annexationhttp://www.euractiv.com/sections/energy/south-stream-victim-crimea-annexation-301086

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South Stream victim of Crimea annexationhttp://www.euractiv.com/sections/energy/south-stream-victim-crimea-annexation-301086

 

This is why (21+ and please don't follow this link if you are a girl) [if you followed and are very scared - have my opinion that this is just a show]

For the moment panic and hysteria. Once the west faces a civil war in Ukraine and realizes that it has no chance to be finished before the winter they will have to speed up with the south stream. Otherwise the deputies who are now voting for it will be shot and different guys will speed up this project in winter

 

That is the final and only reasonable notion about the comparison of T-72 and M1A2.

Words. So far US attacked only the countries who were much weaker. A thug who is getting pennies from firstformers can be a powerful guy. But in most cases he is a sick coward on steroids, who cries after the first serious punch.

No. Us Naval might is so. US Air Force is a very vulnerable branch.

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2000 (another 1000 in the storage, which means that it is possible to come into action but stays out of current operations) against 5500. But mind that US Air force cannot be concentrated against Russia as the US is global empire. Besides keep in mind that it is only 30% of total quantity that is an important mean of war and deduct at least half of it for Russian SAMs.

A things show USAF didn't dare to attack Syria which was rumored to have russian SAMs and russian instructors... It's of course quite embarrasing, err?

 

i too scary to click , you are bad pitcher

i know this part, Putins narrative, " all under control" whats about UN vote?

 

Your choice. This is a crime to make such videos to my mind. Under the circumstances it provokes bloodshed in Ukraine. For some reason the good guys that receive information support from corporate media or NGO's usually eat hearts, cut throats and behave in a not very decent way to suit a picture of a good guy.

It's a freewill of the country representatives. Any vote shows the opinion. But not all the questions depend on the opinions of the majority. Democracy has its limits.

 

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/818675.html

probably 31 Il-478 (in a tanker-plane versin) will be built for Russian Air Force this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pomn0UIVIBY

Russian UAV light bomber (and, of course, reconnaissance)...

 

Actually your right about the U.S. Navy but it is in fact the Aircraft launched from all those U.S. Nuclear Aircraft Carriers that make our Navy so Lethal.

As far as I know Russian SAM's and their Targeting Radar are not capable of squiring and targeting USAF Stealth F-22's and B-2's.

As well both the F-22 and B-2 are extremely difficult if it is even possible to target them using IR-Detection as both Stealth Aircraft have Engine Heat Dampeners that cool their exhaust below the level of heat required to allow IR-Detection and Targeting to be viable.

AboveAlpha

 

And Russian substitute mig 31: Mig 41 (Mach 4 or 4,3)... very speed fighter.

http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/2/28/674956.html

 

But its carriers and ships that protect carrier which allow the planes to appear at the shores of a next country with bad guys.

That's what is told by manufacturer. In fact the day these planes entered Yugoslavia with soviet SAM of 1960s the same day a 'stealth' was shot down. You told that it happened because the plane used to fly the same route and there was the moon in the sky. But he didn't mention why USAF prefferred to fly in a night time. So you can believe whatsoever. I am not going to ruin american national pride. That's not my aim.

American systems that were used for the tests really had difficulties in locking the target of F-22 and B-2. Americans are exceptional at show making and selling a product. It's the national ability of americans which made them a superpower nu1. In this case it was sold to american ministry of defense. But it doesn't mean that russian systems are not able to locate and lock the targets who use the technology of stealth.

 

my friend look like you are ready for a fight with the American devil ? Russia11111strong?
are you one of them?
[video=youtube;cdFwSfOPxBQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=cdFwSfOPxBQ[/video]

 

I am ready to fight anyone for my motherland, my dear. And if the devil arises from hell trying to invade Russia or forbid being russians I would definetely fight with him. No matter if I have chances to win or not.

 

It doesn't. Putin has plenty of oil, and resources both in Siberia and now in the 'rich' Illutian Islands that thanks to George Bush the 1st (who started the procedss), and Obama (who finished it and gave the islands back to Russia for NOTHING)... has been returned to Russia. Us denying him 'other' resources won't be affective.

 

so, you understand what all Ukrainians feel today, right? what can you say about pro-putler demonstration?

 

They are dfending their land and their way of living against aggressors from kievan junta. So I understand them perfectly well.

 

100s Vatans, criminals, Nazis, and your agents can not represent the great Ukrainian nation
taras shevchenko vs:
[video=youtube;aVYEpIB-gmU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aVYEpIB-gmU[/video]

 

Such greatness as was shown by the history of 23 years of former ukrainian state is very debatable. If I was ukrainian and had a choice between being soviet and have a greatness of space pioneers and the winners of the greatest war in human history and the achievements of these 23 years I wouldn't think a second before making a choice.