Putin begs NATO for a peaceful solution (in order to avoid the new sanctions),How is

You are looking at this wrong.

The United States would NEVER invade Russia unless Russia was to attempt to invade Western Europe which both you and I and everyone else knows will NEVER HAPPEN.

This is about how after the Cold War the United States worked with Russia to stabilize the Russian economy and when Russia asked us to pay former Soviet States for their Soviet era Nukes and Chemical Weapons we did and are still doing RIGHT NOW and in case you don't know we RIGHT NOW have American Military Nuclear and Chemical Weapons Demolition Teams all over Russia and all over many Former Soviet States.

We have spend well over $300 BILLION destroying such Soviet Nuclear and Chemical Weapons and we have done everything we could to make sure Russia had a stable economy as a strong Russian Economy is in the best interests of the United States.

The United States has such a Massive Global Economy it does NOT have to use our Military to effect Russia is we have to and WE DON'T WANT TO PLACE HEAVY ECONOMIC SANCTIONS UPON RUSSIA!!!

Doing this would DESTROY the Russian Economy and as it is now since this Ukraine issue began the Russian Economy has degraded by 38% and the Ruble is at an ALL TIME LOW!!!

We have not yet even placed heavy sanctions in place but just the SUGGESTION that the United States might do so is enough to degrade the Russian economy by 38%. Now ask yourself....how bad would the Russian Economy degrade if we actually placed Heavy Economic Sanctions in place????

Let me give you a hint....if we do this the Russian Economy would degrade by at LEAST.....65%.

The Ruble would drop in value to 1/6th what it currently is valued at and as it is now the Rubble has devalued a great deal.

We DON'T NEED TO USE THE U.S. MILITARY.....we can just use the Economic Leverage the United States has to effect Russia.

I don't think you have ever been to the United States because if you ever had you would understand exactly how INSANE Putin's current plans are....as I have brought a few Russian/Soviet Military friends of mine back to the United States with me and they had heard about what the U.S. was like but back in the 1980's the Soviet propaganda had done it's best to make it seem the U.S. was weak both Militarily and Economically.

I flew into New York with a Soviet Colonel and a GRU friend of mine back in 1989 on an Aeroflot flight and neither of them had ever been to the U.S.

When they were in the Limo I had waiting for us at the airport and as we were on our way to Manhattan do you know what they said to me? They said...."It is so SUNNY!! Everything just seems so BRIGHT and NEW!!"

And I KNEW what they were talking about because anywhere a person goes in Russia or the Soviet Union back then and now....EVERYTHING IS OLD AND COLORLESS AND FADED.

My two friends almost had an ANXIETY ATTACK when we were driving through Manhattan and I though this was because they kept looking out and up from the Limo windows in awe as they strained their necks trying to see the tops of 70 to 110 story skyscrapers as Manhattan is the home to the greatest number and concentration of such massive and tall skyscrapers in the world but they told me that was NOT the reason they were basically HYPERVENTILATING.

They were having anxiety attacks because they could not believe there could exist so many restaurants and stores and people who all seemed to have somewhere to go and something important to do besides hurrying to get into a line in front of a Soviet State Grocery Outlet to wait multiple hours just to get coffee.

Now I know that Russia today is nothing like it was back in the 1980's and you have US to thank a great deal for that as we did all we could do to prevent the young Russian Economy from failing....but as I have been to Russia in this decade I KNOW EXACTLY what it is like there and if YOU were to come and visit ANYWHERE...ANY STATE...ANY TOWN OR CITY IN THE UNITED STATES....even the WORST NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE U.S.....it would STILL have better infrastructure...better businesses and a better selection of goods and services than anywhere in Russia.

Understand that there exists 50 U.S. States and a large number of U.S. Territories such as Puerto Rico, Guam, Marshall Islands, Virgin Islands, American Samoa and literally HUNDREDS upon HUNDREDS of other U.S,. Islands that as Territories of the United States the people living there are AMERICAN CITIZENS thus there exists various American Citizens and States and Territories within all oceans and hemispheres of Planet Earth.

The United States is a GLOBAL NATION with a GLOBAL MODERN MILITARY that has bases in over 130 Nations worldwide.

The economy of a SINGLE U.S. STATE one of fifty rivals the entire Economy of Russia.

Because of this and being the worlds #1 Manufacturer and a $17.7 TRILLION U.S. Economy we have a greater concentration of businesses and stores servicing people out of and within their homes within our cities, towns and rural areas than any nation on planet Earth.

If YOU were to visit here and just take a drive along any one of several MILLION roads and highways for a short time you would IMMEDIATELY GET IT....and completely understand what I am trying to tell you.

Putin acts as if there is some great rivalry going on and is being played out between Russia and the United States and I can tell you THERE IS NOT!!!!

Let me ask you.....if for some idiotic reason the leader of ALBANIA was to threaten RUSSIA and you were to watch on TV as this Albanian Leader was to THREATEN RUSSIA and say..."Albania will build up and modernize it's Military Forces to counter the ever growing threat from the East and Albania will no longer export STURGEON NETS that Russia uses to catch sturgeons to harvest Russian Caviar!!!!".....what would YOU think and feel about a nation that is so limited in either it's Military, Economy or Manufacturing Capability compared to Russia making such a threat?????

EXACTLY!!!! YOU WOULD SHAKE YOUR HEAD AND LAUGH AND SAY...."What the HELL is this guy doing? Doesn't he realize that we have no intentions of invading Albania and how could this Albanian Leader even THINK that we would be afraid of him or the pathetic Albanian Military and Economy???"

THAT....is how we feel when Putin threatens to build up and modernize the Russian Military and when Putin threatens to stop exporting Oil and Gas to Europe.

We shake our heads...laugh....and think...'WHAT THE HELL IS PUTIN THINKING!!!"

AboveAlpha

 

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Most of these bases started long before Putin.

He invaded Georgia. While the US instructors and officers helped georgians to kill as much ossetians as was possible.

I told already that there is no way Russia can benefit. Ukraine is turned by propaganda into anti-Russia. What Russia can do is to protect those who haven't turned against of it. And we have no choice but doing everything possible to help these people. Even if there is no other chance but rebooting... the world.
We can't win in the game that was started by US in Ukraine. But we can lose everything if we don't play it, but keep ourselves played by White House.

 

Your wrong if you think Putin did the right thing cancelling that joint Russian/American Siberian Infrastructure and Oil and Gas Development Plan.

We could have been partners and both Russia and the U.S. could have vastly benefited.

Instead it seems Putin will place us in a position we don't want to be in...that position being the mechanism that destroys the Russian Economy.

There is absolutely no need for Putin to be doing what he is doing as instead of Russia benefiting from an alliance with the U.S.....Russia will suffer from Putin's paranoia and ego driven stupidity.

AboveAlpha

 

That's your first comment about the issue which is at least not repeating that Putin did a wrong thing when he cancelled a wonderful plan of the US to get russian oil cheap in exchange for a contract for building of infrastructure made specially for acquiring this oil. If Putin agreed he would have been US puppet. But Russia would have no oil and money. Up to the moment Russia has accumulated a lot of money for the natural gas, which are still kept outside Russian economy in order not to overheat it and the oil is still waiting to be extracted. So what's the problem? You haven't received contrzcts for building infrastructure at russian scale? Your problem. You haven't received russian oil cheap? Your problem. What's our problem? The only problem is that you are not happy with Putin.

US could have benefited on our blood and humiliation.

It's a free world. If you want to destroy someone you should understand that the risk is to be destroyed. US dollar is being printed without any relation to actual values. The only value was that OPEC was trading oil for dollars. If oil starts to be traded in different currencies than the size of US economy will result in a big flop. That will of course ruin not only the russian economy but economy of the world, but a disasterous end is better than an endless disaster.

The problem is that US never proposed an alliance. It proposed slavery, which is much worse than death.

 

For some reason you are defending Putin as far as this issue but the Russian Economy get's ever more fragile and weaker under his rule.

Putin goes and captures and absorbs Russia's Free Media and still you and others like you don't say anything as if allowing any leader or dictator control of an entire nations Media is some how a good thing as far as you are concerned.

Freedom of speech in Russia is all but a distant memory and people once again cower from their own government and Russia's fear to say ANYTHING that might be considered Anti-Putin.

You say that the U.S. want's to make Russian's slaves?

Too late!! You are SLAVES ALREADY!!!

Just keep thinking Putin is helping the average Russian and before you know it you will have Meat and Coffee lines just like you did in the 70's and 80's.

AboveAlpha

 

1998 there was a technical default in Russia. So lots of businessmen got bankrupt just because of economical weakness of Russia. For the moment Russia withstanded several mighty attacks on its currency and is not changing the rate even experiencing considerable loss of capital. So I don't know what you are talking about. Really. Of course russian economy is incomparable to US, EU of China. But it improve a lot under Putin.

It appears that there is no free media. All the media exists and earns the money on spreading propaganda. If it is not working for its own country - then it is employed by a foreign power. I prefer that russian media stays under Russia. As for different opinions - I know where it is possible to take.

There is no fear. But for sure the main information sources are controlled by Putin. This is fine with me. Freedom of speech is a value like an equality. It is never achieved.

Yes. US wanted some hundred thousands russians to extract oil and sell it cheap to US. That's everything US want. And there is only one way to perform it with a 150 mln nation with nuclear weapon. To enslave.

Yes. I am a slave of my family and country. That was my wish.

There were no milk lines in 70s. In 80s there were. And for the moment our economy is not planned. So the lines is a forgotten problem.

 

I NEVER stated there were MILK LINES....I posted there were MEAT and COFFEE LINES.

I cannot believe you are actually BELIEVING the PUTIN PROPAGANDA that it was better to cancel the joint Russian/American Siberian Infrastructure Development Plan than to become partners with the United States.

Let me explain some thing to you.

By the time it takes Russia to actually strengthen their economy to a point that Russia can afford to begin to develop the Siberian Infrastructure such as ROADS, HIGHWAYS, PIPELINES, FOOD AND BEVERAGE DISTRIBUTION AND SALES AREAS, MOSQUITO AND PEST CONTROL, HOSPITALS, POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS, OIL DRILLING AND PUMPING PLATFORMS, NATURAL GAS AND PIPELINE AND PUMPING PLATFORMS, HOUSING FOR AT LEAST 3 MILLION WORKERS, ROAD SALT AND SAND AND SNOW REMOVAL BUILDINGS, ROAD REPAIR FACILITIES...ect..ect...etc...

By the time Russia will be even CAPABLE and have the money to build up all this Siberian Infrastructure which is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY not only to allow Siberian Oil and Natural Gas to be accessed and support 3 million people working there.....but without such infrastructure Siberian Oil and Natural Gas extraction WOULD NOT BE PROFITABLE....but by the time Russia will even be capable of doing this the United States will have already come out with a variety of CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES AND METHODS....that will replace the need for such current MASSIVE AMOUNTS of Oil and Natural Gas.

The United States will within about 15 years become 100% COMPLETELY ENERGY SELF SUFFICIENT.

LINK....http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...self-sufficient-by-2035-on-shale-bp-says.html

U.S. Will Be Energy Self-Sufficient by 2035 on Shale, BP Says
By Brian Swint Jan 15, 2014 10:00 AM ET 26 Comments Email Print

The U.S. will be able to provide for all its own energy needs by 2035 as output of shale oil and gas accelerates and demand growth slows, BP Plc (BP/) said.

The UNITED STATES which became the world’s biggest producer of liquid energy last year, will produce more gas and coal than it consumes, BP said in its Energy Outlook 2035 report today.

The report highlights how technology to exploit shale resources by grinding underground rocks to release oil and gas will transform the global energy trade over the next two decades. Asia and Europe will become the main importers of fuel while the rest of the world exports, and the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries will have to rein in output to prevent prices from falling.

“Both oil and gas import concentration will increase massively in Asia and Europe,” BP Chief Economist Christof Ruehl said on a conference call. “About 80 percent of all traded oil will go into Asia.”

World energy demand will rise by 41 percent by 2035 from 2012, a slower pace than the 52 percent gain in the last two decades, BP said in the report. Ninety-five percent of demand growth will come from emerging economies, defined as those not in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, and more than half the increase will come from China and India.

OPEC Capacity

Spare production capacity from OPEC is forecast to surge to 6 million barrels a day by about 2018 as the group cuts output to offset rising global supplies, Ruehl said. That’s the highest since the 1980s. The group’s unused capacity was at 3.37 million barrels a day in November, according to the International Energy Agency.

Unrest and supply cuts within OPEC nations are likely to persist, Ruehl said.

“These things can last much longer than expected,” he said. “The economic situation in OPEC countries will come under increasing strain. That, of course, sows the seeds for the kind of unrest which leads to supply disruptions which we have seen over the last three years.”

The shale revolution will make the U.S. a net exporter of gas in 2017, according to the report. Other countries may still be slow to harness shale resources, with North America still accounting for 65 percent of global tight oil and about 70 percent of global shale gas production in 2035. North America will provide 99 percent of the world’s shale gas through 2016.

Let me repost that.

NORTH AMERICA WILL PROVIDE 99% OF THE WORLD SHALE GAS THROUGH 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By the time Russia is even CAPABLE of beginning to develop Siberian Infrastructure THE UNITED STATES will no longer need Russian Oil or LNG and in fact CHINA and INDIA....the two most populous nations on Earth will ALREADY be IMPORTING AMERICAN ENERGY well before Russia has pumped a single barrel of Oil out of Siberia.

By the time Russia actually can export Siberian Oil and Gas the United States will have moved on from a Fossil Fuel Centric Energy Plan to a Clean and Renewable Green Energy Production using SOLAR, WIND, LOW TEMPERATURE FUSION, GEOTHERMAL and HYDROGEN.

Russia will be too late and a Ruble short.

AboveAlpha

 

Near Midnite in California and a New Dawn in Ukraine.

Kiev is sending in their military to deal with the protests.
There will be blood.
There would be less blood and faster resolution of the situation if
Putin would send in his forces sooner rather than later.


Moi
I was surprised the old Kiev government didn't call in the military on the putsch.

No

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70s? Maybe late 70s. I work in agriculture. Coffee doesn't grow that well in our territory. We had to import it. And it really grew popular. As for meat - production was wrongly ajusted. Meat was made as a side product of milk production. Only those cows which stopped milking and some bulls were slaughtered for meat. Which was not enough. Unlike western countries which separated production of meat and milk USSR tried to economise on it and plan a production without wastes. That was an ambitious task that was solved only at the paper. So meat was really not enough. But this production decision, that was for sure wrong doesn't deal with Putin. Under Putin Russia started (first time in its history) production of beef for meat.

It has never been offered. USA wanted russian oil and jobs for american companies in excahnge for russian money. So the deal was really too good to accept it.

Russia is already doing this and many more things in its territory. american technologies for road making are not for our climate anyway. For the moment Russia has already secured Germany of acquiring a cheap russian gas from the north and is trying to supply EU's south with the same line. USA fought their nuts off trying first to get alternative pipelines or to provide EU with its shale gas... AND it was US that failed with both these tasks at least before their puppets in Kiev started to fry people alive... So thanks for an offer but once indians and africans start to live better than russians can sustain themselves - we can give it a thought. Fine?

Like nuclear energy... It is a good alternative and so far russian nuclear energy is a good competitor to the US one. As for oil and gas they are not replaceable for manufactury and extraction. But it is really already possible to avoid burning it.

Best of luck, guys. If you can cope with such an ambitious task without the need to fight under carpet with russians - that's fine. If not - it's also fine. If you fail - we'll help you out. But if possible without an american approach to the word 'partnership'.

Since there is a zero market for Russia in the US for the moment - it's a zero threat to our interests. And you will have to extend your calculations with the time needed by our customers to earn and make such a system in their countries.

 

question: what Crimean people are gonna eat in November?

Russian tour operators have recognized : the holiday season in Crimea is dead
This was stated by the Russian Union of Travel Industry , Ekho Moskvy reported .

According to the press secretary Irina Tyurina Union is the main cause of the transport problem . Flights to transport all visitors , including those who used to come by train, is not enough - it must be at least 600 flights per week.

Organize a number of such flights is unlikely . According Tyurin, time has already been lost , sell tour operators go wrong.

Earlier, the Russian Transport Ministry proposed a special scheme of delivery of holidaymakers in Crimea . Those who can not fly on a plane, get to offer a place of rest by train, then bus , ferry and bus again . It is expected that passengers can buy a single ticket for all modes of transport.

In the Association of Tour Operators of Russia (ATOR ) also reported that Russian tourists stopped to book tours to Ukraine , although traditionally during the May holidays , Ukraine was one of the most popular destinations.

According to Russian tour operators usually Ukraine took third place in the ranking of preferences for the May holidays among the areas of Russia and CIS: tourists go to Kiev , Lviv, Odessa.

"Given the current situation , tour operators offer clean Ukraine of its range , and place the country in the ranking of Belarus" , - reported in ATOR .

In turn Crimea hopes that the upcoming summer season resort area will be filled with 100 % due to Russian tourists , said First Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliev Crimea .

 

In the 1941st when Germans and Romanians entered Odessa, they began with that denunciations of those who was dissatisfied collected, and then collected nearly 5 thousand inhabitants of Odessa (Ukrainians, Russians, Jews and others) and alive burned them in Sabansky barracks. History repeats again
...
and face the same . "Risen from a hell".

The junta organized for retaliatory actions the relevant groups one of which burned down yesterday and killed in Odessa:

Ukrainian fascists. Sotnik Mykola. It shot at people and burned down them in the Trade Unions Building


Sotnik Mikola reports on the minister on Odessa
"make a corridor and we will make the business"...
[video=youtube_share;WKPG9DfG4h8]http://youtu.be/WKPG9DfG4h8[/video]

"Made"

Sotnik Mykola shoots unarmed people in the Trade Unions Building
[video=youtube_share;xYUnjSJFKmw]http://youtu.be/xYUnjSJFKmw[/video]

Odessa. Yesterday.
The Ukrainian fascist burns people alive

 

i m 100% sure you are one of them

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=354140&p=1063850675#post1063850675
soon you will be with out work

http://en.apa.az/xeber_head_of_russian_television_channel_one_r_210738.html

 

The first round of sanctions, immediately after Crimea, was dinky. It targeted specific people, most well off and rich any way. The second round is a bit worse, and would make Putin hesitate before invading the east, especially knowing additional, worse sanctions will be applied. The second round wasn't big enough to make Russia remove the forces in the east. It could be that Putin is simply trying to show dominance, but it makes little sense not to remove unless there's a good likelyhood you'll use those forces in the east, else you'd be taking it for no reason. May be both. Putin is trying to desculate the situition, especially by removing the retalitory sanctions that were to be imposed against the US in response to their sanctions made by Russian officals.

 

I know that at russophobs when they can't answer a set of the facts which are created by fascist junta they have a headache. May be you need to take a break for a few weeks... by this time Hollywood will make the new movie. James Bond agent 666. In which as always there will be a lies about that as Russian special force took the Crimea- killing on the right and for left peace Ukrainians. And then black a Mamba the president of the USA and West saved all Ukraine from Molotov's cocktails... To you has to it will be pleasant.

 

i answered 1000 times already, Odessa Putin´s armed with AKMs terrorists. even in Sweden you can do to thsoe what you want, burn alive, $hitt in their mouthes, kill as many as you want. they are the legitimate targets


so whats now?

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great post, welcome to our forum , man

 

This picture you show -I saw 2 days ago on a web-site saying that it is a right sector. But this is not important. Theres a lot of these pictures now... But before you post pictures you need to think... These terrorists in the picture can kill a few dozen of people from AKMs. Where are the dead bodies? We see only the great number of dead bodies in building where the people were and with no weapons along side!
http://ersieesist.livejournal.com/813.html

ps: this topic not about Odessa so more here http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-us-world-news/354573-putin-behind-execution-40-fellow-russian-terrorists-odessa.html
or moderator will close I guess...