Putin begs NATO for a peaceful solution (in order to avoid the new sanctions),How is

It is 600...now.

Those 600 when they reach Poland and they already landed there 10 hours ago or so....will begin efforts and planning to send 19,400 more U.S. Troops will will be sent in the event Putin does not get the message.

AboveAlpha

 

Yazverg...according to defenceaviation.com.....

.....The SAMs were most likely guided manually with the help of thermal images and laser rangefinders included in the Pechora-M variant of the SA-3s believed to have been used. Reportedly several SA-3s were launched, one of which detonated in close proximity to the F-117A, forcing the pilot to eject. According to an interview, Zoltán Dani was able to keep most of his missile sites intact and had a number of spotters spread out looking for F-117s and other aircraft.
Zoltán and his missile crews guessed the flight paths of earlier F-117As from occasional visual and radar spotting and judging from this information and what target had just been bombed, Zoltán and his missile battery determined the probable flight path of F-117A. His missile crews and spotters were then able to locate it and fire their missiles. Zoltán also claims to have modified his radars to better detect the F-117A, but he has not disclosed what was changed. Parts of the shot-down aircraft are now presented to the public in the Museum of Yugoslav Aviation in Belgrade.

The Sebs were only able to shoot down the F-117 because they knew WHERE to point their Old Soviet Era Radar and they knew WHERE the F-117's attack flight plan was.

If the F-117 was operating in the manner it is designed to operate....that be from high altitude in a moonless night...the F-117 would NEVER have been detected by Serb Radar nor would the Serbs known how to point this SAM as at altitude that Soviet Radar would NEVER have detected the F-117.

But an F-117 flying in RAIN...which it is not supposed to do...and at very low altitude....which it is not supposed to do either....and NEVER EVER should ANY MILITARY ATTACK AIRCRAFT....repeatedly fly the exact same flight plan route of attack.

THAT...was all NATO's fault.

AboveAlpha

 

AboveAlpha

I don´t doubt about your knowlegde (and patriotism)... but I think It´s s absolutely impossible for you to have access to the most secret areas in Russia (Do you know what kind of new and secrets missile project are now developing? anti-submarines? anti-ship? antiaircraft? I think Americans aircrafts have an electronic superiority (radar etc), but the Russians ones have more maneuverability...

Nobody knows if they are close or not... In the 30s.. USA about Nuclear energy... knows... very little... Nuclear weapons are not an American invention but european...hungarian, german, british, italian, polish, danish etc etc...

I don´t know how is the military technology level in USA (I think very very very high) but you don´t know how´s thel military technology level in Russia... You can remember what happened to the American army with rifles ... and the disappointment that took ... About F-15 is one of the best aircraft in history ...but, of course, they have been shot down by russian system..A long time ago I heard that the Abrahams tank was "indestructible" .. until the tank arrived to Iraq and Iraqis they did blow up it!!
For sure, Russia has weapons to scrap Abrahams tanks.. USA is not so weak nor so soft as many stupid anti-American think ... but neither are the gods that some Americans think they are ... Regards

 

Let's say there is a 100 000 US marines in Kiev. What should it change for Putin? Not for you if you were in Putin's place. You would be of course scared and call the White House to get the orders of how to behave and receive a couple of good days in american corporate press. What would it change for Putin?

 

You have to understand it doesn't matter if Russia has developed the technology to build a missile and detection method that would be capable of say....shooting down F-22's.

What MATTERS is how many such weapons systems Russia has currently deployed and are operational.

The same problem exists with Russian Tanks as the tank that Russia has the most of by far is the T-72 which has been shown totally incapable of competing with U.S. M1A2 Abrams Tanks.

Sure Russia has developed a much more modern tank than the T-72 but it only exists as a handful.

Compared to the Multiple Thousands of existing and deployed U.S. Abrams.

The U.S. has extremely high tech. weapons systems at well such as Robotic Stealth Fighter Aircraft that could destroy F-22's at will.....but these do not yet exist in numbers.

THAT....is the problem for Russia as not only is it technologically behind in many areas even in the areas and weapons systems where it at least is close to or on par with the U.S. version....Russia cannot afford to build such weapons systems in number.

I have been to Russia many times when it was part of the CCCP and after when it was just Russia.

I have many Russian friends.

I remember going out to a High Ranking Communist Party Members ONLY CLUB on the Neva River in Leningrad with a few GRU members. I remember the incredible HANGOVER I had the next morning as well as remember how nice everyone was to me as both men and women after hearing I was American would literally FIGHT to spend time talking to me.

I also remember how EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PEOPLE KNEW....that their leaders had spent more money than the Soviet Union could afford on weapons trying to keep up with the United States and all of them told me how worried they were for their Mom or Dad because they were now old and had to wait outside in a line in brutally cold weather just to buy certain foods.

Russia simply cannot compete with the United States...neither Militarily or Economically and the thing is we are more than ready to HELP RUSSIA as long as Russia does not pull crap like it is now in the Ukraine.

You know what I worry about?

I worry that Putin just cannot bring himself to accept Russia's current reality and that Putin will bankrupt Russia rather than stop acting like the Soviet Union still exists.

I would not like to see my Russian friends struggling just to pay to heat their homes because Putin refuse to accept our help to develop Siberian infrastructure and exploit Siberian Oil and Natural Gas deposits.

If Putin had not cancelled the joint Russian/American Plan to do this back in 2003....the Russian Economy would not be struggling right now.

AboveAlpha

 

It is not about having 600 or even 20,000 U.S. Troops to SCARE PUTIN....as Putin would not be scared of so small a number of Troops in Poland or anywhere.

What it is about is sending a message to Putin that say's....OK....if you continue to do what you are doing in the Ukraine...we will start placing U.S. Forces in nations along your boarder....in ships along your coastline....and fly USAF Aircraft along your boarder whether it be North, South, East or West.

The message is to tell Putin that he is starting something he cannot either finish or win.

AboveAlpha

 

Don't we have NATO bases alongside our borders for the moment? Don't we have 5 NATO ships in the Baltic and 2 american destroyers in the black sea? Once we start getting these ships it will inevitably end in military accidents. Some stealth fighters will be shot down some russian ships might come into the mines. So basically Obama wants a war vut is too shy to declare it...
Nothing new. It has been an american policy for almost a century. So it cannot possibly change any of russian policy towards Ukraine.

 

AboveAlpha,

nobody talks about whether the U.S. is bigger industrial or economic or military power than Russia, but about the American ability to prevent Putin annihilate the coup of Kiev ... the U.S. can not prevent the Russian victory in Ukrainia. Moscow never accept that Kiev became an American puppet state.
No doubt the American secret weapons, but I tell you that wars are not math, never were ... You know that the U.S. was unable to win the Vietnam War or the Korean War I´m sure if U.S. launches ... an offensive against Russia, I will suffer the same military disaster suffered by all who invaded Russia from the West ... Germans, French, Swedes, Poles ... now the Americans? Nor 20.000 nor 2.000.000 soldiers are enught to conquest Russian... and about casualties of course, forget 60.000 KIA like in Vietnam or 300.000 like in WW2 or 114.000 like in WW1...And remember, nothing like in 1918 or 1945, when the US soil was "virgin".. not, if american want to play the war.. their cities are going to know the war....
Peace is very easy: peace is better, Don´t cross the border in Ukrainia...What will it happen if Russia set missiles in Cuba? Nicaragua? Ecuador? Venezuela? Argentine?

 

A pathetic message indeed, an American industrialist fart . Yankee, go home.

 

Hopefully not a damn thing. The US criminals in DC need to be taught a lesson and have their hypocrisy put in check. Our constitutional system of checks and balances failed to do that. An external world power such as Russia just may be the solution.

 

Also, agreements between smaller States can leave the US isolated and stripped of UN support- as has been the case recently and things will not improve . Even past blind US supporters like the Marshall Islands are suing the US througfh the international courts.

 

I doubt it. If US is to remain a great power - all the changes need to be done inside and itself. I don't want US to have the same humiliation as happened with Russia. And I will be strongly against any russian involvance into inner problems of the US.
I am sure that if any alternative viewpoint is regarded as a propaganda then this itself means that propaganda has already won over the freedom of speech. The wreck of US empire can get costly to the world. With all my disrespect to a capitalist immoralty that became so obvious, I have to admit that americans themselves managed to build not the worst regime for the people inside the empire. Comparing to the state of people in russian empire and soviet union USA surely has its undisputable merits. It would be a waste to crush such an empire just because of some problems. Even if they are systemic.
I believe that ukrainians should take over in Ukraine and americans in the US. The will of people should become a decisive power. Not th money spent on election campaign. Russia felt better not after numerous meetings and revolts in 1990-93. Once there was a turn to traditional values there came a national conscsiousness. US should look at its own traditional values. It should learn more and teach less. Then the situation will get better.

I have no wish that Russia replaces US in the world. I don't want to see russian blintses and Kvas everywhere in the place of McDonalds's burgers. I don't want asians and african to wear russian fur hats and saraphans. It will be a mockery of my own country, my own traditions and beliefs. The world should change from one polar into multipolar witht the change of political system of the world. If the US starts the reforms it would be a timely action. But for now it only gets worse. Year after year and day after day.

PS. Obama told to Japan that he is ready to help them out to control China... There were no serious victory in Iran and N. Korea, once he started a limited war with Russia and russians. And without finishing it he starts to get ont he nerves of China... I'm sorry guys. But the world obviously decsends into war. Which will again happen before Russia finalized its rearming.
Once the war starts eveyone seeks to win, but the outcome is always not the one that was planned by every side.

 

Kvas is a tasty and healthy soft drink. Coca Cola is unhealthy corporate "marvel". God forbids, international principles of democracy do not require to have a great militaristic power at all. Exactly, interests and will of people should be imperative, not corporate interests.

 

I´m sure everybody knows Margarita Simonyan... This is what she´s written in her Twitter:

https://twitter.com/M_Simonyan/status/459274063685615617

Украина. R.I.P.

For me the only guitly who gave the coup d´Etat in Kiev in February.. they are the only responsible for what is going to happen.

 

These guys would not stay in power for long, if not EU. Who prepared and encouraged them? Now, the Maidans are going desperate, looking for exit.

 

bbc,,bad news for Putler

 

look like you guys looking for one, but war-hysteria is not allow

 

In a statement, the British prime minister, David Cameron, the US president, Barack Obama, the French prime minister, François Hollande, the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and counterparts from Italy, Japan, and Canada expressed "deep concern at the continued efforts by separatists backed by Russia to destabilise eastern Ukraine".

They praised the "restraint" of the government in Kiev and the efforts it had made to implement the agreement struck in Geneva earlier this month.

In contrast, Moscow had taken "no concrete actions in support of the Geneva accord" and had not condemned pro-Russia militants or urged them to leave buildings they have been occupying".

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/26/ukraine-crisis-g7-countries-intensify-sanctions-russia

 

USA will remain, as super power or just power, question is what remains from RF after everything settles down ...

 

Tomorrow? Us will for sure remain. In a month? No doubt. In a year? Most probably. In a decade? There are good chances for that. In 50 years? Doubt it.
As for RF my prognosis can be even more negative. I am not sure in Russia's future within a decade. But we'll try to preserveit and enforce it understanding how fragile it is.

 

my friend, things went out of control i just hope you see it. with out western will to buy your gas -oil you are an African country, and Voronezh is good candidate for the title $hitt whole of eastern Europe. if you have money my advice turn them into euro/dollars. its just matter of time when RF economy´d collapsed, much like in 1991... one for sure , you life will be changed forever

 

bbc, ....

 

If EU refuses to buy gas and oil I would recommend you to grow sow fur and to gey wood. Because it needs to dry before you can burn it to make yourself warm in winter. And fur will reduce your spendings on wood that is much more expensive. And we will sell our gas to China. They will be very delighted to get cheap resources in order to reduce prices for their goods somehat 40%... Once Europe burns away all its forests I can say a word to find a place for one of them in Voronezh zoo. Between a donkey and a (*)(*)(*)(*). And get rid of dollars if you have them. Euro will outlive dollar for some months.

 

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Russian army

 

The American Troops are being deployed to prevent Putin from invading another Nation.

Sure the number of U.S. Troops is small but Putin would NEVER attempt to invade a Nation that has U.S. Forces defending it's boarder.

I think you are looking at this wrong.

Ask yourself and tell me....what and how can Putin and Russia POSSIBLY BENEFIT from it's current activities in the Ukraine????

I can see ZERO UPSIDE.

You tell me.

AboveAlpha