Putin begs NATO for a peaceful solution (in order to avoid the new sanctions),How is

Ukraine is not a hive of bees. They don't all think the same. They are obviously bitterly divided, with huge geographical variation.

You don't care what the people think anyway; you supported the overthrow of the democratically selected president and constitution to impose your fascist will on everybody.

 

That has no quote of Putin or Russia at all. You said Putin was begging, and expressed fear of western sanctions. Show QUOTES of where they actually say anything like that. Not a link, a quote. That's where you say the exact words that came out of his mouth that you claim are begging.. ".." Do you know what a quote is?

 

This is an overt (*)(*)(*)(*)ing lie, the Crimea Prime Minister was installed by Russian Spec Ops under the cover of rocket launchers and AK's in the Crimean Parliament building, the photos prove that these are Russian troops from their uniforms and Russia itself fully admits to their overt invasion of sovereign Ukrainian territory, spare us your laughable nonsense from the Kremlin's ministry of propaganda, you are not fooling anyone.


Following the Ukrainian revolution, on February 27 an emergency session was held in the Crimean legislature while it was occupied by armed pro-Russian forces.[4] The masked gunmen identified themselves as members of Crimea’s "self-defense forces", all of which are, according to Aksyonov, directly under his control.[4] After sealing the doors and confiscating all mobile phones, the MPs who had been invited by Aksyonov to enter the building, passed the motion in the presence of the gunmen armed with Kalashnikov's and rocket launchers.[11][4][12][9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Aksyonov

As we ALL know by now those so called "self defense forces" are Russian troops not wearing a fixed insignia in overt violation of the laws and customs of war as proven by video recordings of them admitting that they are Russian troops, as well as, the types of uniforms and weapons they are carrying which are exclusive to Russian special forces, not to mention that Russia has finally admitted it:



The presence of Russian troops is acknowledged by new Crimean leader Sergei Aksyenov.[56] The troops were subsequently identified, based on their battle dress and equipment, as belonging to the 45th Spetsnaz Regiment, which has previously been deployed to conflicts such as Georgia and Kyrgyzstan.[80]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_R...n_intervention_and_military_events_in_Ukraine

Aksenov acknowledged Saturday that Russian troops were protecting key sites in Crimea.

“We have established cooperation with the Black Sea Fleet in protecting the important assets,” Aksenov said in televised remarks. “I am sure they can carry out tasks to protect public order.”

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldn...m-date-20140301,0,2305350.story#ixzz2w2NyFUvq

Crimea Invaded By High Readiness Forces Of The Russian Federation





Unknown soldiers - upper picture.

- New EMR camouflage combat uniforms used only by Russian Federation forces

- New 6sh112 tactical vest used only by Russian Federation forces

- New 6B27 composite helmet used only by Russian Federation forces

- New 7,62 mm PKP machine guns used only by Russian Federation forces

- Russian 5,45 mm AK74M assault rifles

As a conclusion it is evident that the troops in question are high readiness troops of the Russian Federation.

Unknonw soldiers - lower picture.

- 6B26 composite helmets used only by airborne troops of the Russian Federation

- Russian 5,45 mm AK74M assault rifles

Soldier on the left:

- New EMR-camouflage combat uniform used only by Russian Federation forces

- 6SH92-5 tactical vest used only by airborne troops of the Russian Federation

Soldier on the right:

- Russian special forces and mountain troops Gorka-3 combat uniform used only by Russian Federation forces

- Russian special forces Smersh AK/VOG tactical vest used only by Russian Federation forces

With a 99 % probability we argue that these troops are the 45th Guards Separate Reconnaissance Regiment of VDV (Russian: 45-й гвардейский отдельный разведывательный ордена Александра Невского полк ВД&#1042, Kubinka, Moscow.


http://www.suomensotilas.fi/en/artikkelit/crimea-invaded-high-readiness-forces-russian-federation

Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports

The BBC has seen eight trucks with the black plates of the Russian army moving towards Simferopol

Unconfirmed reports say eight Russian military helicopters have arrived in Sevastopol

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26379722[/QUOTE]



Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports

The BBC has seen eight trucks with the black plates of the Russian army moving towards Simferopol

Unconfirmed reports say eight Russian military helicopters have arrived in Sevastopol

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26379722

Russia has vowed its troops will remain in Ukraine to protect Russian interests and citizens until the political situation has been "normalised".

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Russia was defending human rights against "ultra-nationalist threats".

Russia is now in de facto military control of the Crimea region, despite Western condemnation of a "violation of Ukraine's sovereignty".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26414600

Russian foreign ministry admits to entering Crimea from its Black Sea Fleet base as the Ukraine's interior minister accuses country of 'armed invasion'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ns-of-costs-for-any-violation-of-Ukraine.html


Russia admits that it has moved troops in Ukraine
Russia has finally confirmed that it has moved troops into Ukraine's restive Crimea region, after speculation about Moscow's involvement

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...mits-that-it-has-moved-troops-in-Ukraine.html

 

Putler is Russia , Russia is Putler today.( Putler calls to Obama regularly look like it does not work for him

 

so you say RuSSia (bottom feeder , according all indexes) can teach human rights respect, free press, and democracy in general to Ukraine ?

 

bye bye the far east ...

 

Look like, Putin has a lot of loose....

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4066601.ece

 

Other than installing a Nato base, this is what the issue is to the E.U., since it could have freed itself from its dependency on Russian gas. This is not the only issue to Russia though, it has certain security concerns in regard to its Mediterranean fleet, as well as the historical relations it has with Crimea. Anyone would have known what the reaction from Russia would have been, instead they paid attention to what the 'nationalists' in the Western part of Ukraine were saying and it must have warped their reasoning.

I couldn't believe it when our foreign relations department said that Putin was only posturing, and wasn't going to hold on to Crimea. Are they idiots, amateurs or what? I mean they did everything to undermine the Olympic games in order to hurt Russia, even to the point of having the protests during them, and then actually believed that after all the insults tossed at Russia's sovereignty with their actions, that Putin wouldn't react in some way?

Why do they think he's been building his armed forces for these past years? For China? Well they should have guessed again and taken a good look at what they were doing, not to mention the way they were acting. Maybe with the defections of the Ukrainian troops, the West is coming to its senses., although I'm not sure. I'm beginning to think of Obama and those who control him as being very evil, because we're heading right into WWIII.

 

What a bunch of corporate media hype and garbage. According to Al Jazeera and my Greek news site, Russia had the upper hand in everything in Geneva. This is probably why Kiev is not following through and pulling back its troops, which supposedly was to be the first step. Of course according to our media, the protesters were to evacuate the buildings first. Sounds logical doesn't it?

 

Face, your; you have a short memory, but then again Western corporate media doesn't tell us much now does it? Crimea declared its independence as soon as the Junta passed a law restricting all foreign languages. I recall reading that the people were asking for Russian passports, even the Greeks who were living there because they were frightened. Troops were sent in when Russia received reports there was going to be a coup in Crimea, so they blocked all the entrances and took over the airports.

 

Litwin, this should be of interest to you. If you go on to the link and scroll down, you will find E-mails from Klitschko. He has a bank account in Germany and was getting money from Lithuania. The E-mails reveal he was working for foreign governments to over throw the legitimate government of Ukraine. Uhhh! Doesn't that mean he's a traitor? Traitors used to be hung you know?


http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_...eases-Klitschko-e-mails-showing-treason-3581/

 

lies, post link or vanish

 

COME ON!!!!

I can understand a persons love of Russia but...COME ON!!!

In EVER major war in the last 3 Decades it has become APPARENTLY OBVIOUS that Soviet and now Russian Weapon's systems are not even close in capability to U.S. Weapons Systems.

It is a FACT not a SINGLE F-15 has EVER been shot down by another Fighter Aircraft of ANY NATION.

It is a FACT that every Soviet and Russian manufactured aircraft that has EVER had to fly in combat against U.S. Military Aircraft HAS BEEN DESTROYED since 1985 by U.S. Military Aircraft...and that includes all current top of the line Russian Air Force aircraft including the Mig-29, Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35.

In war games Red Flag USAF Military Exercises when the EUROFIGHTER a much better Fighter Aircraft than ANYTHING Russia is currently flying went at first 4 Eurofighters against 2 F-22's...all 4 Eurofighters were shot down.

And so it went on...first 4..then 6...then 8...then 10...then 12 EUROFIGHTERS against just 2 F-22 Raptons and every time all Eurofighters were destroyed.

It got so bad that the European Pilots and their Military Leaders back in Europe considered withdrawing from the Alaskan Red (*)(*)(*) Games....as it became obvious that a Eurofighter was NEVER going to be able to defeat an F-22 even in numbers as high against the F-22's as 12 to 2.

But THEN...someone got an idea.

They figured out a way for the Eurofighters to compete and every F-22 Raptor had a RADIO TRANSPONDER installed inside it and this way the Eurofighters could detect the F-22 as before the Eurofighters would be flying and as nothing appeared on their radar they would be visually trying to locate the F-22's when all of a sudden an alarm would go off within the Eurofighter's telling them they had been shot down.

FINALLY...a Eurofighter scored a KILL against an F-22 Raptor that has a Radio Transponder sending out a signal for the Eurofighter to track and THAT is the ONLY WAY a Eurofighter can shoot down an F-22.

If a Eurofighter cannot shoot down an F-22....there certainly is NOT any Russian Aircraft capable of doing this.

AboveAlpha

 

Hey I'm not you Litwin. I don't lie and then post links that no one can understand. Anyway the article in Al Jazeera is titled: At Ukraine talks, Russia has the upper hand.


http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/16/ukraine-talks-geneva.html

 

Putin did have us worried by he realizes his bluff of Russia stopping sales of Natural Gas and Oil to Europe if the U.S. and Europe place heavy economic sanctions upon Russia is all OVER.

Putin was the one asking for the deal and Putin is now attempting to tell Russian Supported Crimean's to evacuate all seized Governmental buildings.

There is a certain REALITY that Putin eventually realized as towards the end of this struggle of wills between Putin and the U.S....Putin came to realization that if Russia did refuse to sell Natural Gas and Oil to Europe id sanctions were placed upon it....what was the end game?

Putin came to realize there was no end game.

He realized that this was a LOSE/LOSE situation for Russia as the Russian Economy could not survive either economic sanctions nor the loss of income from the sale of Natural Gas and Oil to Europe.

And if Putin did carry out his threat...THEN WHAT?

It would be the worse of all possibilities as Russia's economy would collapse under both sanctions as well as having no Energy Export Income.

Putin has come to realize that 19th century Russian Thinking cannot be used in this Modern Global Economic System.

AboveAlpha

 

you in your 95 years and close to death body and mental condition , can not use google translate rest of us can .

Jazeera´s main point is - the terrorists have upper hand (military aspect) for now , but you know it will be long . long war

 

True, but seeing they mostly fought against outdated or from second rate armies that doesnt mean a lot .

Su30/35 in combat? Simulated only and then F-15 didnt fare that well.

Got any source to back this up?

http://defenseissues.wordpress.com/2012/10/20/cleaning-up-red-flag-alaska-f-22-vs-typhoon-debate/

SAys something VERY different.

 

F-22 pilots, just like Eurofighter pilots, need to train for within visual range contingencies. In doing so, various scenarios are put in place to maximize the training benefit, such as starting from an offensive, defensive or neutral position and limiting what weapons are allowed to be simulated during each unique sortie. Further, the Raptor does nobody any good flying around undetected when basic fighter maneuvers (BFM) are to be practiced. For such a flight they could have packed their radar accelerometers. By doing so they could be more easily detected by the opposing aircraft, thus making it easier to set up the training scenario and to provide positive radar locks throughout the maneuvering flight. Also, believe it or not there are novice F-22 pilots just as there are novice F-16 and F-15 pilots. I have been told many times by Raptor crews that it simply takes time to master the jet’s unique thrust vectoring capabilities in the within visual range air combat regime. As has been proven over and over again throughout history, hours in the jet matter when it comes to winning in a traditional “dogfight.” Even today an F-5 Tiger can reliably smoke a Block II Super Hornet within visual range when flown by an experienced pilot. The Typhoon is a seriously hot machine, and the aircraft is extremely deadly even in a newly minted pilots hands. Put that same weapon system in the hands of a seasoned Luftwaffe fight jock and anything in America’s fighter inventory would be seriously challenged when fighting up-close and personal. Put a young pilot in the cockpit of even a state of the art F-22 and pit him against a seasoned Eurofighter pilot in the within visual range fight, and I would bet on the experienced German jock long before these reports surfaced. It takes a lot of hours to master a jet in the realm of three dimensional jousting, the F-22 is absolutely no different, especially when it comes to multiple aircraft engagements and known vulnerabilities when operating in the “post stall” thrust vectoring environment.

LINK...http://aviationintel.com/in-respons...ted-f-22-raptor-kills-by-german-eurofighters/

AboveAlpha

 

I probably should not have posted about the Su-30 and Su-35 but as I already posted it....

Both aircraft have been flown against a variety of U.S. Military Craft at the Groom Lake Facility.

AboveAlpha

 

I guess, some results of CIA director's visit are shown in Donetsk. Maidan provocateurs work: leaflets asking Jews to register. A hoax? Not likely, this is handy work of Maidan agents. This is done to keep Mr. Litwin with enough fodder for lies to post here and elsewhere. By the way, pederasty is not popular in Ukraine.

 

how do you know? own experience?