Reagan said: "Government is the problem". That isn't accurate

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I've worked for big government, and big business .

    In my opinion...

    The difference? (Insofar as efficiency) There is only one difference, and it is this:

    You can't do a FOIA request on a corporation or private business.

    Sure, gov doesn't have to earn a profit, and that's another difference, but that's not the issue in this post (not to mention that big corporations don't have to make a profit, or so it seems, for example, for Uber).

    One isn't particularly more efficient than the other. See, 'government' , per se, is not the problem, the problem is:


    Bigness.

    You'll find just as much inefficiency and dead wood in a big business as you will find in a government run enterprize.

    Regarding pay ( I've heard some conservatives complain that gov workers are paid more than private workers ) it's like this:

    Private enterprise pays less near or at the bottom, and more near or at the top.

    Government pays more near or at the bottom, and less at the top. At the top, private enterprise, overall, pays 300 to 1, that is way more than gov at the top.

    Proof? The prez gets $450k per year, and compare that to private enterprise of a comparable level of responsibility which would be in the many millions..

    So, Reagan was wrong, "Government" isn't the problem, BIGNESS is the problem, and there's not a whole lot that can be done about it, 'cept maybe bust 'em up, and that might not be a good idea on some big companies, gov enterprises, maybe viable on others, depends. I remember when a court order forced Ma Bell into a lot of smaller telephone companies. The result: My phone bill doubled immediately and I STILL didn't have the ability to choose a different phone company. ( This was way before cell phones, of course).

    If you can do better, start you own business. You'll quickly find out that the bigger you get, the harder it will be to manage it, no matter how much of a genius you think you are. Of course, some businesses are more efficient than others, but that could be said of government, as well. It's not one or the other, it's all about the skills of management.

    Management, therefore, is the problem, and it is the ISSUE.
     
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    I agree. I was a manager for years, had managers working for me, and I have closely observed managers for years. Some are outstanding and their results prove it. Others are incompetent and their results prove it.
     
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    Government helped many of the "big businesses" get big in the first place.
     
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    FOIA requests are either slow walked into eternity and/or redacted to gibberish under the handy-dandy universal cover of "National Security".
     
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    "Wherever you have an efficient government you have a dictatorship." - Harry S. Truman

    Your points are valid but miss the fundamental point. Government is not the problem because it is too big, inefficient, or whatever. As opposed to businesses that strive to fix real life concrete problems, government strives to fix problems that it dreams up in its head according to its own self-contained state and agenda, and so becomes the problem for the people.
     
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    Not only is it accurate but it's indisputable.Unless you and your
    Democrats can name One positive of this Biden Adm. thus far.
    Just one.
    " Today if you invent a better mousetrap,the governmnet comes along
    with a better mouse."
    -- "
    Peace Thru Strength "
     
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    When working for a large corporation, there are many places for the deadwood to hide. Same with government. Layers upon layers of bureaucracy allows for incompetence and laziness to slip through the cracks.
     
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    " If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God,then
    we will be a Nation gone under. " -- Reagan
    Is where the United States sits under Biden.
     
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    Reagan said: "Government is the problem". That isn't accurate.

    Actually it hits the nail on the head. Government could be good and effective. Politics, corruption and incompetence have insured its problematic nature. The solution is to cut it down to a manageable size. The larger it gets, the problematic it becomes.
     
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    But businesses have a huge motivation to operate effectively. It is called competition. Government has a motivation only to protect itself.
     
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    Corporations do have that motivation but, again, with layers and layers of people, its easy to keep a job doing the least amount possible. Banks and insurance companies are famous for it. As for government, the workers have a union protecting them.
     
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    " Government exists to protect us from each other.Where government
    has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves. "
    --
    Quoted in the N.Y.Times,April 13,1980
     
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    Has proven by how quick Congress manages to spend any surplus
    in the Budget.As if 40 years of Democrats controlling the purse is not
    proof enough.Not until Newt Gingrich and his New Majority Republicans
    came into power was it possible to even write about 4 consecutive Balanced
    budgets.
    Then again according to writer Frank Gelett Burgess ...
    " Without bigots,eccentrics,cranks and heretics the world
    would not Progress "
    In short meaning ... Viva! Joe Biden
     
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    It turned out Reagan was the problem. If you don't like where we are now, remember it began with his policies.

    The most fearful words in American history are; "I'm a Republican and I'm here to fix government and the economy".
     
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    " Why was Government instituted at all? Because the passions of
    men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice without
    restraint. "
    -- The Federalist { 1787-1788 }
    "
    If government is in the hands of a few they will tyrannize the many;
    if in the hands of the many,they will tyrannize the few.It ought to be in
    the hands of both,as they should be seperated.This seperation must be
    permanent.Representation alone will not do; demagogues will generally
    prevail; and,if seperated ,they will need a mutual check.This check is
    a Monarch. "
     
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    Because Jimmy Carter { Educated peanut farmer } done well by the
    Economy and thusly Government ?
     
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    Reagan said: "Government is the problem". That isn't accurate

    It was when he was prez.
     
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    As I said. Government only has a motivation to protect itself.
     
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    You left out the most important part. One can choose not to do businesses with a private company. If the product is not worth the money, we don't have to buy it. We are forced to buy the governments products regardless of how poor the quality.
     
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    Ahhh so we have an elite on our hands
    Now your posting style makes sense
    Will you be flying fuel sucking private jets while the underlings line your pockets and are forced to all cram into eco friendly horse and buggies?
     
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    That's just horseshit. We had Great Government back in the 50's when I was a youngster. Only after the wealthy started buying off the GOP and ****ing with it did U.S. decline. What is it ya'll and Benedict Donald are "Againing" about??? .... A time when we had a strong and fair Government, not a tax, service starved Government that doesn't take care of it's people.
     
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    We had a smaller and more effective government in the 1950's when I was a youngster. I agree. I'm referring to the government we currently have. Let's go back o the government we had in the past.
     
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    Wow, like nobody ever "bought off" any Democrats, like China Joe.
     
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    How about being forced to believe that the 2020 Election was the
    most Secure in modern history.
    Each day we are getting a firsthand look at how Democrats and their
    adjunct operate.They LIE.Just plain Liars.Everything else fits into place.
    It's like taking the word and advice from a Career Criminal while
    visitation at Sing Sing.
     
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    China Joe from Kokomo and Snidely Chuckie Schumer went straight from
    college into Politics.Without a tick of experience in the real world.
    And it Shows
     
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