Reparations for Slavery: No legal argument.

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  1. J0NAH

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    It looks as though you havent read much, if anything at all on this subject. What education to you have regarding studies on Afrika?
    Initially the white slavers didnt trade with anybody in West Afrika, they just captured people, not a penny exchanged. That you didnt know this doesnt equate to my being wrong, that is a logical fallacy. What can be proven as fact though is your shocking ignorance on the subject.
    Maybe you should post in sub forums you are more averse to idk, isnt there a comedy forum, or a chat social one?
     
  2. J0NAH

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    Try 18 million workers for starters

    smh
     
  3. Imnotreallyhere

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    That you don't know how the slavers worked does indeed equate to your being wrong. Your portrayal of falsehoods as facts doesn't make them so.
     
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    Workers who weren't producing much of anything. Africa wasn't gearing up for an industrial revolution. Most of these Africans had already been enslaved by the coastal kingdoms. This would mean that their status hadn't changed, merely their owners.
     
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    What date (to the year) do you have for the so- called Trade [exchange]. Lets see who is the ignorant one.
     
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    So you are one of those who likes to pretend the Empire of Mali (the greatest empire on earth at the time ) was a white european empire and that all of its citizens were white folk.
    ok.

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    When we think of the world’s all-time richest people, names like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and John D Rockefeller immediately come to mind.

    But few would have thought, or even heard of, Mansa Musa I of Mali – the obscure 14th century African king who was today named the richest person in all history.

    With an inflation adjusted fortune of $400 billion, Mansa Musa I would have been considerably richer than the world’s current richest man, Carlos Slim, who ranks in 22nd place with a relatively paltry $68 billion.

    The list, compiled by the Celebrity Net Worth website, ranks the world’s 24 richest people of all time. The list advertises itself as the top 25, but 26 names appear in the list.

    Although the list spans 1000 years, some aspects of wealth appear consistent throughout history; there are no women on the list, only three members are alive today, and 14 of the top 25 are American.

    The list uses the annual 2199.6 per cent rate of inflation to adjust historic fortunes – a formula that means $100 million in 1913 would be equal to £2.299.63 billion today.

    Mansa Musa I ruled West Africa’s Malian Empire in the early 1300s, making his fortune by exploiting his country’s salt and gold production. Many mosques he built as a young man still stand today.

    After Mansa Musa I death in 1331, however, his heirs were unable to hang on to the fortune, and it was substantially depleted by civil wars and invading armies.

    Second on the list are the Rothschild family, whose descendants are still among the richest people on the planet. Starting out in banking in the late 18th Century, Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s finance house accumulated a total wealth of $350 billion. The money has since been divided between hundreds of descendants, many of whom are business leaders today.

    Meanwhile John D. Rockefeller, third on the list, is the richest American to have ever lived, worth $340billion in today's USD at the time of his death in 1937.

    In comparison, the poorest man on the list is 82-year-old Warren Buffett, who at his peak net worth, before he started giving his fortune to charity, was $64billion.

    Here’s the full list of the ‘26 richest people of all time’:

    1. Mansa Musa I, (Ruler of Malian Empire, 1280-1331) $400 billion

    2. Rothschild Family (banking dynasty, 1740- ) $350 billion

    3. John D Rockefeller (industrialist, 1839-1937) $340 billion

    4. Andrew Carnegie (industrialist, 1835-1919) $310 billion

    5. Tsar Nicholas II of Russia (last Emperor of Russia, 1868-1918) $300 billion

    6. Osman Ali Khan, Asaf Jah VII (last ruler of Hyderabad, 1886-1967) $236 billion

    7. William the Conqueror (King of England, 1028-1087) $229.5 billion

    8. Muammar Gaddafi (former Libyan leader, 1942-2011) $200 billion

    9. Henry Ford (Ford Motor Company founder, 1863-1947) $199 billion

    10. Cornelius Vanderbilt (industrialist, 1794-1877) $185 billion

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/meet-mansa-musa-i-of-mali--the-richest-human-being-in-all-history-8213453.html
     
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    Around 60 libraries in Timbuktu are still owned by local families and institutions, collections that have survived political turbulence throughout the region, as well as the ravages of nature. A good example is the Ahmed Baba Institute, established in 1970, which was named after the famous 16th/17th-century scholar, the greatest in Africa.

    Ahmed Baba wrote 70 works in Arabic, many on jurisprudence but some on grammar and syntax. Deported to Morocco after the Moroccan invasion of Songhay in 1591, he is said to have complained to the sultan there that the latter's troops had stolen 1,600 books from him and that this was the smallest library compared to those of any of his friends.

    Today, the Ahmed Baba Institute has nearly 30,000 manuscripts, which are being studied, catalogued and preserved.


    iguess they must all have been writers as well as gold merchants.
     
  8. Sab

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    Well it is clear that thete is no legal claim since such actio s have been attempted and thrown out. For something to be actionable it must break a law..
    now tell us all whi h law they broke?
     
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    It has been addressed for years . Since LBJ over 40 years ago. Affirmative action. Endless subsidies. There is no helping some people.
     
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    I have no interest in redistributing wealth. Its just theft.
     
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    Great analogy.
     
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    If you don't believe there is any legal basis for this case, why did you even post a thread about it?

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    All the free labor that was taken from African slaves was : THEFT!
     
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    So how much is it going to cost to make this little problem go away?

    Reaches into my pocket...
     
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    There is nothing but lint in your pocket.:smile:
     
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    I remember a thread similar to this at another political message board. The OP was comparing African slavery to the Japanese internment during WW2. The Japanese people did receive reparations. I would say the African slaves lost more and suffered longer than the Japanese people.
    That is my opinion.
     
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    Eh, you're not wrong!
     
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    The japanese people were those who were actually interned. By All means get anyone who was a slave.
     
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    aaaalso it was realised that their rights as US citizens had been affected. Slaves were not US citizens
     
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    Those who were alive and supported the regime are, but Germans as a whole aren't. Clearly.
     
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    Since not all people who have been mistreated by the US are given reparations, I agree with the OP. However, there is legal precident for a family claiming money owned to their ancestor that was never paid.

    The US government promised 40 acres of land and a mule to plow it to any southern slaves or free blacks that joined the Union army. Very few black soldiers received their land. The decendents of black soldiers who were cheated do have claim on a payment equal to the value of what was promised.
     
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    There is no legal or equitable basis which would support a claim for reparations. The only type of claim that could be asserted would be moral.

    Should Latinos be subject to this claim for reparations as well? What about Asian Americans or Native Americans? Or should the liability fall entirely on white citizens? What about mixed race citizens who are only part white?

    It's hard to recognize a moral claim asserted by one's political enemies. And that is what it really comes down to.
     
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    except that its not true. The US government never offered any such thing. General Sherman came up with the Idea but it was never US policy.
     
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    tbh, its not like any want to or are trying to claim it, maybe a handful are testing the grounds just to get or see a reaction. its a good one to raise in discussion because honestly, it exposes white america for what it really is, they dont give a damn and never have done. it perhaps serves as a tool to keep white america eternally indebted, not that they give a damn about that either.
     
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    There is no debt. The statute of limitations has expired.
     
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    There is the emotional debt which until it is called in by so- called afrikan Americans you will be forever in that lake of fire. Iam starting to see now why they don't even want reparations !
     

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