Rubio and gang of 8 unveil bipartisan immigration plan.

They don't want to keep hiding out, worried they will be caught and deported. If they register, it will be the first time we know who are all here. If they don't and are caught, they are deported.

 

Correction.

We will only know some of the ones who are here when the illegal alien registers.

Two nights later thousands of new illegals can stream across the open border with Mexico and they most certainly will not be on the list of known illegals.

But I'm sure your side on this issue will want to grant them amnesty too.

 

No, I want anyone who isn't registered thrown out. I know how you feel, I'd like to kick them all out but be serious, that isn't going to happen and we both know it. If we don't come up with something, both Parties are going to give them all citizenship and as soon as they hear it's going to happen, you'll have hundreds of thousands more crossing in just days. To me, this is the best way.

 

In case xenophobic nativists have missed it, the 2007 economic collapse is now being reversed under Obama, and that does make comprehensive immigration reform imperative. The political reality that the party of angry white guys now recognizes they need to broaden their appeal makes that progress far more promising.

“We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term." SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM (R)​

 

To tolerate the continued presence of millions of low IQ illegal aliens would be
impossible in a rational society unfettered by a pandering political system.
Those mediocraties have a "plan" that would result in more bio/cultural fracturing.
Insanity.

 

Come on you guys, we can leave Party out of this. I think what I suggested should satisfy most Hispanics and their friends and family and neither side would have an advantage over the other and both sides could take credit for it.

 

Obama won by less than the population of just 2 boroughs of New York city. In Congress they gained 10 seats over both houses. In 2010 the Democrats lost 63 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate, THAT'S losing handily which the Democrats will repeat in 2014.

 

I think the plan is to secure the border in exactly the same way that Simpson-Mazzoli was to have secured the border in the 1980's.

 

No, they won't. We're past the point of no return. Obama has succeeded in addicting most of America to welfare of one form or another and they've imported a critical mass of socialist Mexicans.

The rest of your life is going to see constantly declining standards of living until you finally die a poor government slave.

Your children will have to lick the boot of the Mexican Conquerer.

 

The future of the GOP is bleak in national elections without more support from Hispanics and increasing libertarians who support the party. While I think guns and god will still favor the GOP in many states in 2014. That is not going to protect the party long term. Florida and even Texas in the next 10 years will become solid blue states. Without increasing Hispanic support the GOP is DOA in future presidential elections. The GOP has to change to survive. However bad this plan might seem it is better than the plan Obama will likely present. Prohibition never works if the goods and services in question are in demand. It is more fair than the current system that allows them to be underpaid and mistreated causing employers to favor them over legal citizens. This battle was lost years ago sanctuary cities insured the defeat. Most large cities in border states would lose 20% of their population if they were all deported. ICE only has the funds to deport 400,000 a year.

 

That is quite common, but wouldn't anyone doing that be ineligible to get legal status here since they are committing a felony by using a fraudulent social security number?

 

I can see a lot of details being sticking points. There is a lot left out in that general framework.

- - - Updated - - -

Hey man.

 

You mean, just like its supposed to be, right now?

 

390,000 people were deported in 2009.

392,862 people were deported in 2010.

400,000 people were deported in 2011.

(fiscal years by the way)

So in other words, in 3 years over a million people were deported. Now with the borders wide open that's like bailing out the ocean, but at the point the borders are closed, that would take care of the illegal problem in just a couple of years, with no major operation to go after illegals. Just normal ICE enforcement.

 

You jolly well may be right, even though I hope your not.

Already there. The Obamanomics economy has me working all of 27 hours a week. Good thing I planed ahead. My house, car and everything I own is paid for. I have non taxable hard assets in a safety deposit box to last me till I croak (I'm 55 this year).

Never had any kids I know of, because back in the Carter years I knew this country was headed for the crapper. I just feel bad for all those with kids and grand-kids who will have to endure the legacy and aftermath of reckless spending from their parents and grandparents. I recommend they visit their parents and grandparents graves once a month and urinate on them for what they did. At least it may help them keep their sanity during the third world country time ahead.

 

No real need to deport. What makes more sense is to make eVerify mandatory for employment and ALL government benefits. Then take away their ability to keep legitimate jobs with phony or stolen social security numbers. The SSA and IRS are all too well aware of multiple people using a single social security number. With modern computer databases, it wouldn't be hard to pluck out all the duplicate, non issued or under age users excepting the original issuee. Then send notices to their employers the duplicate users payments are coming from that there appears to be an error and they must verify the social security number within 30 days or face massive fines and jail time. Then move on to the Individual Taxpayer Identification Number filers, requiring them to provide their valid visa's allowing them to remain legally in the country, no proof, NO REFUND. Compile a list of those failing to provide the valid visa's and investigate if they are in the county legally, if not deport them.

This is a simple cost effective way to open up approx 5 million existing jobs to the 14 million out of work citizens. It will also save Billions in Government benefits going to those who circumvented the legal immigration process and aren't entitled to benefits that should be going to out of work American Citizens..

 

Like the Mexicans who conquered us with the help of their collaborators are going to let that happen?

Like the Democrats are ever going to allow anything that prevents them from importing enough socialists to finally, once and for all force an omnipresent tyrannical social democracy down your throat?

A recent survey showed that support for free market capitalism in America has plummeted to a mere 56%.

The America of Reagan has been intentionally destroyed by internal enemies who have abused democracy in order to destroy capitalism once and for all in America.

They have won, because conservatives are to old, to weak and stuck in their ways to do what is necessary.

What is necessary? Civil War.

 

I agree. They will gift the lawless illegal aliens with undeserved citizenship THEN they'll LOOK at securing the border. Then they will plan for another amnesty in 2021. Rinse. Repeat.

 

Help me here.

We now want to reward the lawless with citizenship in order to curry favor with a cohort that thinks we're mean for standing up for the law? Do you see how sick that is? It's ideological doom. It makes me want to vomit. It makes those GOPers no better than the scumbag Dems.

 

Well I see a lot don't like the idea of making these illegals citizens, but has anyone written their representative yet? It sound to me like these two side are getting ready to agree on it. Maybe you just like arguing on these boards and haven't given it a thought to tell your representative in hopes of changing it. I've made it easy for you, just click on your state and all the names and E-mail addresses are there. Take you 5 min. Only we can make a difference.

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

 

The children that are born here will be citizens, so the damage is already done. Even without granting additional voting privileges to the current illegals which does not seem to be the goal of this plan at least in the near term. Florida has basically already been lost. Texas the last major state for the GOP will be in the next 10 years just from the current birthrate alone. To continue fighting a failed "war" will not change things. The GOP is no better than the democrats. You basically have to adapt or go with Silicon's solution and hope you win. The old ways are becoming obsolete if they are not already. I honestly see no other way to go about this. You either take part in the decsion making or have a worse version forced upon you later. Sometimes it is not a question of right vs wrong. Most of American politics come down to a choice of the lesser of two evils. The only two choices I see are adapt or Silicon's solution. I do not think his would be sucessful it would only allow for more restrictions of rights after the defeat.

 

National Guard rotations on the border. Make all states responsible, not just California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Florida. So maybe Michigan rotates their NG in for a month in California. Since most NG units require a 2-week active tenure each year, this could be part of it.

 

The last thing the Republicans need is a conservative like you. The Republicans want to reconcile themselves with minorities. Right wingers take a hike.

- - - Updated - - -

[

 

Just so. Conservatives have no home amongst Republicans.

 

Is anyone surprised at this?? I predicted that conservatives would be given short shrift on Immigartion reform on 11/10This is one of my earlier threads..

QUOTE=Frowning Loser;1061940575]Marco Rubio’s Amnesty ideas represent a new outlook on this issue for Republicans. For now some Republicans are looking for Rubio to take a leadership role on how the Republican Party should confront a rapidly changing electorate. Many Republicans know the party must change and that will include breaking the grip of hard right conservative viewpoints on the Party’s policies. Sean Hannity also realizes this as well. As the party evolves toward a more compassionate view on immigration the Right Wingers will be force to shut up or leave. It’s of course it’s too early to tell but Marco Rubio is being strongly considered as a candidate for the next presidential go round.


“Rubio never introduced legislation this year, but his ideas would give “non-immigrant” visas to undocumented children brought to the United States at an early age provided they have no criminal record and have completed high school. It would allow them to stay in the country and access the existing immigration system through which they could eventually become green-card holders or naturalized citizens.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83613_Page2.html[/QUOTE]