I thought about answering individually each question and thought, what a croc of keich! But I haven't your limited ability to see limited things as they are at present and of which we have no control. One moment, its people not working and the figures aren't accurate for a start, and the next they are in the land of honey, I'll just ignore the 26% of people that cannot read or write, I'll also ignore those children that have nothing to eat from Friday afternoon until Monday morning. or the old folks that die through hypothermia because the cost of power is three time higher in Scotland that it is in England because of the amount it costs to heat there houses! ID 10 T Its because of corruption, changes of the revenues laws which have put your "England" into the state it has now become! You might wish to exclude education to the majority of the English nation so your parasites can live in luxury at your expense, our outlook thankfully is different! You're so far from reality it's not worth discussing! Regards Highlander
You sound familiar Highlander. [video=youtube;Slu1OuykMIk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slu1OuykMIk[/video]
It really was a crock of keich, but we have to try to cut through it. I don't suppose he knows what keich is. Anyway, it's the usual and you can't expect anything other if one is indeed a non Scot who wants to live here under the current conditions and is worried only about his own interests. These people have to be respected and there will be plenty Scots down south in the same boat. Their view has to be considered. And ignored. No....not really. I wonder what Salmond's view is and if he will emerge to be enough of an extremist to eject such people. I suppose it might depend on how much they are worth to the economy. No, I didn't miss it. The oil can't be the only string to our economic bow and the world is quickly developing renewable energy. There will always be a market for oil, but we have to diversify. Oil revenue is finite. Don't worry about it. There will be no Home Office left by the time the Tories exit power. Ask Brodie Clark. They have a master plan to demolish it. That's why they are forever orchestrating derogatory media coverage, to justify the impending hatchet job. Bla bla bla again. I have no opinion of the English. I couldn't care less about them. You still don't get it. Scottish people don't care about England. We're not interested in England. A big bunch of loonies with delusions of empire who keep trying to run the world, while we are a small, self-effacing, peaceful country who don't want to run the world. Please go away and give us peace. This is about Scotland. Not England. OH DON'T MAKE ME F****** LAUGH...THIS IS FROM THE SUPPORTER OF THE BIGGEST WARMONGERING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD...i.e. England. My country is pacifist. England likes an invasion. Scotland won't be invading anybody. You know that. I know that. Everybody knows that. Now get out and give us peace. I don't care if you can accept reality or not. Scotland's economy has been ignored for centuries, with virtually all funding focused on London. Pretty sure there are a few benefit cheats south of the border. Ask about in Liverpool. Oh FFS...giro cheques are handed out in exactly the same way here as everywhere else in UK. There is no greater access to benefits here than in England. If you're unemployed, you can claim benefit. Anywhere. But thank you for the nasty comment which displays racist views loud and clear (as if we didn't already know that is where you are coming from). Anti Scot. You are feck all Scottish and I would invite you to feel free to move back to England whenever you're ready, if it weren't so obvious you have ever been north of the border. English humour I expect.
I favor local autonomy and political self-determination, so I generally support separatist and secessionist movements as a matter of principle.
Almost any nation and almost any area would be better separated from the bullies and exploiters who currently run it, obviously. Who except the bankers could conceivably benefit from living under the thieving etonians in London?
"They" in this instance is the Scottish Police Authority, which is answerable to the Scottish Government. Stephen House's appointment is a Scottish decision. He was born and educated in Scotland after which he joined Sussex Police and then the Metropolitan Police. He became Chief Constable in Strathclyde before unsuccessfully applying to be the Met police commissioner. It seems he doesn't hate the English. If there are any super injunctions protecting him, Scottish justice secretary, Kenny MacAskill does not share your concerns. In his words "Stephen House has the skills and experience ... I am confident he will be an outstanding first Chief Constable. He has an impressive track record of leadership, partnership working and delivery. So please direct your bile about Stephen House to Kenny MacAskill and the Scottish Police Authority. The rest I can ignore.
A like and a Rep. Drip down, they'll say. You must support the Etonian buffoons because their economic dregs will drip down to you. Or up...in the case of Scotland. They don't and worse, the buffoons are obstructing economic development north of the border. How are the new rail projects going down there? Why do we still have the worst transport and road links possible between the two major Scottish cities, to be dealt with at the last possible moment? Have you ever tried to get to the real north of Scotland by road, btw? It's a ******* joke. Single track roads, closed roads, hours and hours...pathetic. Infrastructure is key in supporting trade. Only English trade is worth supporting, apparently. Keep the nuclear testing ground free for southern people to holiday in and retire to. Of course there is no trade by road anyway. Where is the haulier who can afford petrol prices like that? Here is something from today's populist Press, but it has some fair points: There is no evidence to support your claim that hating the English is anything to do with the thread OP and it really is starting to irritate me how certain folks continually try to rubbish and discredit the independence initiative on the basis that anything to do with independence is solely based on hatred of another nation. Are you daft? Scottish people are not. Consider the evidence in front of your face. We fought with England for centuries. All of a sudden we stopped. You can say the people at the top made a sale and there was no political will to continue fighting, but consider how the most successful of Scottish warriors came from the people, not the aristocracy and Scots have murdered as many ineffective kings as the next nation. If the people pathologically hated the English and that was their only reason as folk like yourself seem to want to suggest...it would have been done centuries ago. The English are a pain in the arse at time and a very good ally at others. But people don't make decisions like that, based on silly antipathies. The independence issue stands above any petty past grudges. People here are too intelligent and "canny" to make a judgement clouded by that. So I repeat ad nauseum because some don't seem to absorb this key point...this is not about England to us. We're not interested in England. No one is. It is all about taking this country forward in its own right, to be a separate and independent state like many other small nations, and seeing what we can achieve in the world and for the world as a nation following our own culture (and not being dragged into all kinds of strange behaviour we would prefer to avoid).
Viv, get off your sanctimonious high horse. I wasn't replying to anything you'd said. That's why I quoted a particular point made by someone else. Maybe you're too eaten up with righteousness to understand that some of us are bored with the whole "Scottish independence" debate, so long has been going on. It matters to you and other Scots Nationalists, I get that, and Scotland will hold its referendum when the Scottish govt gets round to setting a date. And I didn't vote in the poll started by the OP. When we English find ourselves being blamed for something the Scottish govt is clearly responsible for I do get a little pissed off and I will point out the error. The poster concerned in this case makes no secret of his hatred of the English and had, in the post I replied to, had his usual bile to vent. He made no reference to the Scottish Police Authority in his comments about Stephen House.
One should perhaps avoid mention of the word sanctimonious in public, if he/she is queen/king of Sanctimoaning.. I missed the part of the forum rules which states no one can answer posts unless they have been specifically addressed by your Sanctimoaning self. ...which I think is a response to a post made by me. You are so bored with the independence debate that you are posting in an independence debate thread. Gotcha... it's just so hard for uneducated laymen to stick to all your unforeseen rules. Ooooo nationalistic tendencies there? Or are you speaking for all English people now? That grouping people together is a dangerous thing, people are individuals. A Scot is the most effective policeman in the UK force and that is a Scottish Government error? I understand your we-English-pissedness, it's a total uprage. Get your high horse out and get right on it.
You mean me? When have I been sanctimonious? Quote me verbatim please, Viv - arrogant "we have run Britain for centuries" and sanctimonious - "we are a small, self-effacing, peaceful country who don't want to run the world." [I'd say that's just as well. Just how big do you think an independent Scotland's forces will be, and without a nuclear deterrent?] I didn't say you couldn't answer my posts, of course you can, but if you do, please don't twist what I've said. And the poster's comment didn't directly relate to what you had said anyway. [There was a link to his post in mine. You should read it.] To add relevant information to a specific point denigrating the English. Do you find it hard to follow debates? I defended the English from an unwarranted attack, and no, any more than you speak for all Scots. Not what I said. Maybe you really are finding this debate hard to follow. And incidentally, who says Stephen House is the most effective policeman in the UK force?
The EU allows companies like Vodafone "not to pay" its taxes. A company may set up in one country, whilst trading all over the single market area, and still pay taxes in its chosen country, as Vodafone has done in setting up in Luxembourg. It's all within EU rules. Capitalist bastards? You're right, but I'm looking forward to seeing Alex Salmond change this arrangement for Vodafone's profits from its Scottish customers.
Hello Viv so glad you replied to my post I have decided to write in Scots so only my fellow coontry men kin understaun me. It wit we'll all be daen when big ally get in tae poor. (this is just too funny) Well e diz hae a guid track record oh 'ejecting' folk fae a coontre, remembir big Ally Magrahi. JINGS! summit we baeth agree on. Maybe you should read what you write? You say you have no opinion of the English then go on to state your biggoted opinion in quite some detail. ugh....want to rethink that? Perhaps you're not sure what the Union is? It kinda involves England, hence the debate and the voting?!?! Are we even talking about the same thing anymore. Aye fair enough that comment aboot Gaza was a wind up. Totally right, and its an issue that needs to be tackled. But its one that is a cultural problem both north and south of the border, it will not be fixed with independence. Scotland however has Glasgow as its main economic hub one that has some massive social problems, these should be tackled by the Scottish Executive now instead of wasting time on independence. This is a clear illustration of how the SNP are not interested in the lives of average scots as much as in a naive dream of scottish nationality, driven by the narcissist his majesty sir Alex Tottie Mucher Salmon. Bla bla bla again. (just thought I'd return the compliment ) Seriously Highlander and Viv, you have yet to put forward any real argument for independence.: And that is why the common sense folk of Scotland will vote no, because oil money for 50 odd year is a stupid argument. An independent Scotland will loose much sovereignty in the new federal EU, making the concept of independence null and void. You're swapping London for Brussels. What have you got left? You're going to use the pound and have monetary policy set by the bank of England? Or maybe you're going to use the Euro..... Seriously guys put down the bleeding heart brave heart stuff and face the real world, at best it's further devolution but the Union is going no where. Grown up Scots are happy to work as part of a united UK for the benefit of all British peoples. ^ Yir baeth poor ragin!
I never resort to bile, I always deal in facts, unlike your tory pedophile rabble, want links to this? Its readily available to those who wish to protect children, unlike those ministers in labour or Tory government! You may not of noticed, this is a forum, it deals with subjects your Democratic government, fails to address! And you cannot be blamed for not knowing about "Super Injunctions"! Perhaps you haven't noticed, or perhaps your short sightedness becomes your politics! As for scales of Justice, should he Mr House not be a bastion of credibility? He is not! Not from what I've been told, by a number of credible sources! Anyways, its his skills and experiences I'm frightened about, and that isn't policing skills. And the MET was so good, murdering Jean Charles De Menzes, 18 independent witnesses called the police liars, and yet they still protected the murderers, and found on behalf and protected the Police. That also may be good enough for you, but again, I'm not one of the sheep! But you can be lead like a sheep, don't expect an intelligent person to follow suit! We are not all sheep! Regards Highlander
No. your wrong again, the CEO of the revenues was sacked after an investigation by a sitting committee! Evidence enough of the corrupt practices of your French aristocracy and elected degenerates your so proud!! But soon you can have them all to yourself, so what's bothering you? Perhaps its the truth? Well I cannot help that, if your ashamed of your elected (15%) majority, some bloody democracy! And what about your democracy, why is it that an elected Toryleader ie Ian Duncan Smith be removed from office by one 1922 committee member? Democracy, bollocks! Its a plain fascist dictatorship! Have a nice day! Not many more to come thanks to the democratic practices you must miss so much! Regards Highlander
Anyone reading can now hopefully see the need for independence. The two countries have entirely different cultures. Sooner it's over the better.
Viv, old girl, lets be at least charitable, they are to be pitied rather than mocked, just look at what they are to get, feel sorry for a nation that's run by the Tory party and their reprobates! Regards Highlander
This infinite sense of superiority of the south over the rest of all the planet makes you miss the most obvious fact: Ever thought of what this means? ... or of the implications it has economically speaking? First of all let's start with the British Pound Zone. Those using it will be reduced by the millions, an entire country. Ever thought deeply why all Europe struggled for this long to keep Greece in the Euro Zone no matter what? And Greece has laughable natural resources, not Scotland's petrol. It did so to maintain the Euro's value and the confidence in the single currency, to avoid risking having it fall on the lower places in the world's top currencies. You will soon understand the Germans, better than they understand themselves. The pound is in these ticking seconds still the world's 1st currency. But by looking at what's on the other side of the story, I think it's the Scots who have the oil muscle power to make the Euro swap places with the Pound Sterling... that will be as soon as they join the EZ. And the EU never stated that Scotland would have to reapply on its own. They refused to comment on any given situation... and for good reason. They know the London temper quite well and they don't want it to later say, for the rest of the history actually, that the EU had anything personal against London and invited or even subtly suggested to members of the UK to break it apart. However only an insane man would think Independent Scotland would not be accepted in the EU right after it breaks free. The EU is looking at Scotland's oil with the tongue hanging out of its mouth. Let's just hope Scotland will really decide to join the EU. Yes the EU is looking forward to the day oil there starts being sold for Euros, but it's doing its best to hide all this so that later, London and imperialists that might still be there will only have their failure to co-exist with the Scottish as a candidate for blame. And since most of those English educated in the imperialistic spirit are not the kind of person that ever say 'yes, I was wrong about that', they will have absolutely nothing to whine at but destiny. And here's something nobody on this forum seems to have thought of... If Scotland has to reapply on its own for EU membership, it means it doesn't inherit one bit of its past in the UK and its past UK international agreements & politics and obligations... So what's left of the UK not only loses all that petrol that an entire continent beholds but is also left with all the massive sovereign debt to the IMF that it made together with Scotland!!! ...it is left with the part of the debt that accounts for the Scottish population which now can no longer be found in the UK and the Scottish are under no obligation whatsoever since they are clean of all their UK political and EU common market past, which actually did not exist since London made all politics for the UK and all the debt. In my opinion not even Hitler would ask Scotland to pay a cent in this situation. And the UK without Scotland has natural resources no more than Greece or Ireland yet a debt to the IMF way higher than Greece. Yet so far nobody thought about the UK having any trouble to pay it's debt because hell... it's the UK! ...that UK that had quiet Scotland as part of it...quiet until now. But will it be the same without all that continental gas station? So this UK might become one of those Greece or Portugal quite fast and ask for a bailout. Though who on earth will give you bailouts with pleasure, with ease if you are not in the Euro Area? And this is how England joins the Euro Zone. Oh yes the EU is so smart it sometimes surprises even me! ...its silence on the Scottish matter! So... did you ever ask yourself what losing Scotland as a friend would mean to you? It will surely motivate Northern Ireland to do the same - as a further example. Times are so harsh in the world and London maintain its stubborn ambition to keep the living standards in the south exaggeratedly high, with state benefits with many digits in the number as stuff. Yet in this world of shrinking resources, England has to spend more and more to maintain the same standards of living and it is a very wasteful nation, in terms of electricity and what not. I saw it I studied there... and apart from that everywhere everyone asks for more and more money, the uni fees got to 9000 and everything gets more and more covetous and n_i_g_g_a_r_d with each passing day. This is visible with the naked eye. They try to put taxes and payed licenses on everything you do. Quoting a very nice Englishman I had a conversation with while on the Bus to London, he said: ''In this country I'll soon need a licence to take a sh*t!!" All this is because imperialistic concepts, at least the British ones are not based on an idea of sustainable wealth, not on the longest term. London vampirized on Canada, Australia, Africa, India and its billions worth of rubies there, and vast parts of Asia, it vampirized on Scotland. Now that Scotland has decided to enter modern times, who will be left for London to vampirize on? This is what you imperialists get for farming a culture of superiority over everyone else in the world... from your perspective... cause from European perspective it is a quiet smooth natural end where nothing gets hurt or cut but an endless, senseless pride in some. The euro currency will be there and it will all be balanced, all Europe and its nations. Everything has an end, especially a project to conquer the world, be it a successful example in the past or not, and THERE IS LIFE after the monarchy
You are assuming that Scotland will in fact be a member of the EU after (if) independence, this is not a given, done deal .. don't forget it is the UK that has EU membership, not England, Scotland, Wales & N. Ireland as separate entities. If Scotland do vote to become independent they would no longer be part of the UK (obviously) so why should they get automatic membership of the EU, they should apply like any other country and take all the crap that goes along with it .. single currency being one. Though not being part of the EU is far, far better than being in it.
Thank for that Vlad, you're as entertaining as ever. I wonder what Viv and Highlander think of the EU with its tongue hanging out over oil. Is this desire you attribute to the EU openly stated?
Dunno what Viv and Highlander think of the EU...but I'm agin it, even if it isn't slevering buckets over the thought of control of the oil. I voted to come out of the Common Market in 1975 and have seen and read nothing which has altered that opinion. If we have to have anything to do with Europe, after Independence, and I suppose we must, I'd prefer to do it via EFTA. I would guess the desire for oil, to which Vlad alludes is about as openly stated as the Werner Report, which posited the idea of “the ultimate creation of a European federal state, with a single currency. All the basic instruments of national economic management (fiscal, monetary, incomes and regional policies) would ultimately be handed over to the central federal authorities, was openly circulated before the joining of the Common Market was discussed in Parliament.....or as openly discussed as the McCrone Report was when it was published.
FFS this is the most annoying part of these "discussions". Do you think we are entirely thick? How on earth could we be this far on in the process of separation without having considered the EU membership issue and how stupid would we have to be, to still be unaware of that possibility. Nobody knows how this is going to play out. What should be obvious if you have any knowledge is this. Alec Salmond wipes the floor with Westminster politicians on a regular basis. He is a competent and very experienced politician who has publicly run rings round Westminster for years. We therefore have perfectly reasonable odds of taking up EU membership if that is what we decide is the best way forward for us.
EU is a white elephant and I don't see it any differently than I see the UK. If it suits us, join it. If not, don't. It might suit us even for the sole purpose of getting England off our back.
You actually aint that far in the process of separation and as you well know if there was a referendum tomorrow there is a very good chance you would lose, according to most of the polls the majority of Scottish people want three choices, not just an in or out .. so Mr Salmond has a lot of convincing to do over the next few years. As to the EU part, you should perhaps tell your own people that the idea of not being a member has been "considered" because according to your own leader its a dead "cert", even though he had to retract those comments after his deputy Nicola Sturgeon let it slip that the party had received no legal advice on its EU membership. But to be honest, best of luck getting independence, as a supporter of UKIP and wanting to get out of the EU, it would hypocritical of me not to support Scotlands independence.
Aye and the moon may be made from green cheese ........ Its not Europe we need worry about .......! http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/01/scotlandengland-maritime-boundaries/ The border between Scotland and England have been moved on countless occasions by the parasites. The border according to English judicial paperwork of the 10th century proves the Scottish and English border to be separated south of Alnwick. But I am in no doubt it isn't off Carnoustie as they hoped it could be! Thieving bastards...... but what else would you expect from the french aristocracy and AIPAC parasites which ruins England's green pastures for the native English nation! Regards Highlander
How would you feel about Scotland leaving the UK if Orkney and Shetland decided to declare independence from what would be left of the UK and Scotland?
