Seriously….. What would it take for a GOD to prove itself? (Part 2)

What if your behavior is for some Baal?
Baal is just very happy about you being sexually promiscuous.

By demanding that something really big happen to show you were in the wrong "church" you await "consequences:"


Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away (in the spirit of thought), into the wilderness (of my imagination) and I saw (as if) a woman, ...



.... (those who have Institutionized a system of sexual seduction into a failed matrimony), sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (of a brazen and corrupt sexually misdirected economic system: [Dan 3:1-5]), full of names of (Pagan) blasphemy, having seven heads:

(which existed in (1) Egypt, (2) Assyria, (3) Babylon, (4) Persia/Mede, (5) Greece, (6) Rome (7) the whole of Western Culture to follow)...



... having ten horns upon these seven heads:

(1. Undivided Empire; capital Rome: [305 AD],
2. Western Roman Empire: (Romulus Augustus): [to 476 AD],
3. Eastern Roman: Byzantine Empire, [1453 AD]
4. Charlemagne, [800 - 1000 AD]
5. Holy Roman Empire, [1200 AD-1492 AD]
6. Italy, [Renaissance, 16th century]
7. Spain, [17th century]
8. France, [18th-19th Century]
9. Britain, [19th-20th century]
10. Nazi Germany, [20th century])

11). (America?)

 

No matter how you phrase it the end results will be the same.

And here is another way to look at it. If you are not following God you are following Satan by default, who also happens to be an even greater dictator than God and who offers you absolutely no salvation, we know what his plans are for you.

You may not like your options but that's what they are and if you think Satan is going to hang some medal around your neck for standing up for principles then you are in for a very big shock.

 

You have never shown the one you claim to follow is not satan. And you can't.

 

Its not something you have any interest in other than for you to try to disprove it so why would I bother?

 

But according to Christian teachings in my heart I would have to accept God ,at least, as a real being and love him etc. which I can't do since I can't believe in a being like that without real evidence so I would still be going to this Hell so I'm damned in any case. It would be for me like believing in unicorns and the tooth fairy or any other fanciful thing you could dream up.

So don't get your point I would think trying to pay lip service to him would be worse even the Bible had a passage saying as much if your hot a believer or cold an unbeliever if your in between and just warm your spit out or something. I would say this points to conviction counting I could say to this beings face at least an honest with the science and reason you gave me I couldn't believe in you and this faith made no sense to me as much as a firebrand Christian could say I believe regardless of what science showed me both justifiable even if I find faith a cop-out to reason its honest. Its the in between sort that might have it hardest that neither had a conviction for or against a Deity as in Agnostics and Weekend Believers.

But aren't Deists asking a lot of Atheists we must first have proved to us there is a Deity or Deities (high bar). Then the nature of this being if your arguing a Denomination or Faith over others. (high bar) Then demonstrate what it wants us to do. (high bar) Seems to me unlikely a Jewish person or a Christian person could prove their position on all three to be in accord and your talking hundreds of faiths and sects within them to decide among.

 

You are correct and I also became an atheist for many years after accepting Christ for the very reasons you did. But I asked him to guide me to understanding because it was beyond my comprehension yet I still wanted to believe. He ultimately brought me back in where there is absolutely no doubt in my mind but it was He that did it, not me.

You are trying to do this your way and on your terms and that simply is not possible for many people but if you believe God is actually God then you should know that he can do anything, all you need to do is ask him for help.

Believe me, if he could bring me back into the Church he can do it for anyone.

 

The only reason for stating is you have been telling everyone who doesn't believe like you they have to follow satan and will end up in eternal torment. And yet, you can't say for sure the belief you are following isn't coming from satan. Just pointing out the silliness.

Of course I have an interest, else I wouldn't be bringing it up. I couldn't disprove it either. There is no way to prove or disprove, but the bottom line is you can be just as wrong as the next person.

 

What power does Satan have to punish people for all eternity for thoughtcrimes?

 

Well I suppose it could be from Satan but considering I usually try and do the things in the Bible I highly doubt it.

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The power that God gave him to do it.

 

So tell me again how Satan is a greater dictator than God?

 

One will cause you immense torture for eternity the other will give you immense bliss.

 

God is the cause of the torture.

 

And?

Your going to go to Hell to protest God?

lol

You will probably regret that decision I have a feeling.

 

I am sure you doubt it.
But since the RC church, or what became the RC church put the bible together, 50/50 chance or better, Satan inspired the writing of the bible. So, better than 50/50 chance you will end up in hell and everyone who doesn't believe as you ends up in a lawn chair in paradise.

 

What makes you think this? If the bible, give all that proves your point.
Then prove the bible wasn't satan deceiving all of mankind as he is suppose to do.

 

LOL, you just posted you suppose what you believe is from God. Suppose? Because you follow a book?
You could be surprised, you will regret the decision you made. Being you have no clue, as you suppose.

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What you're saying here is Satan has more power than God. Else God would not let satan win. Would he.

 

Actually it is from what I have seen in my own life and technically none of us will know the truth until we die. You cannot be 100% certain that God does not exist either.

How is Satan winning exactly?

I believe he is due for the same fate as the humans who reject God.

 

I would rather regret a moral decision than follow a brutal dictator who tortures people for thoughtcrimes. People like you are why people like Kim Jong Un exist.

 

Well if God is real you are going to be doing a lot more than simply regretting your decision and that is the gamble all non-Christians are taking. We probably do not, in fact, I know that we do not know why God does what he does and you only have the capability of understanding it from your little human perspective. When God gives us the understanding of his methods we will probably see it in a different light.

Now since nobody knows for certain until they die whether or not God is real you are risking an awful lot on a hunch and you are hoping that you are calling it right because if you lose, the consequences are far, far worse than losing a few hundred bucks taking another hit at blackjack, this is your eternal soul you are gambling with.

You think that space has always existed do you not, so why is it a stretch to imagine that God always existed also....one is just as outlandish as the other and neither can be proven with certainty.

 

1. We actually have evidence for space, including laws of physics that state that matter/energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

2. I'm sure Hitler told his followers "if you just understood my reasoning you would see my actions are good and moral" too.

 

I am certainly not trying to convince you of anything, that is not my job and you know enough to make your own choices regarding this matter. I was just reminding you of what will happen if your science get's trumped in the end and God does turn out to be real.

You know that there will be no forgiveness at the 11th hour or you may get hit by a bus tomorrow and it will be too late to go back.

Instead of just outright dismissing it you could always ask God to show you the truth and if nothing happens well, your in the same place you are now but God, if you believe he exists, can make even the impossible possible and I have seen this in my own life more than once. All you need to do is be open to the possibility and let him take it from there.

But its up to you and I of course respect any choice you make as I hope you do with mine.

 

There won't be any forgiveness for me period according to the Bible because rejecting God can never be forgiven.

 

Hahaha, that is a very common mistake people make.

That only applies if you completely reject him until the end but if you do open yourself up then you have not rejected him at all.

But don't worry, you don't need to become some holy roller out to save every soul you meet, in fact, no one even needs to know what you do, being a Christian is about your personal relationship with God, not about attending Church every Sunday and its a process. Hell, it took me 20 years of atheism after being saved before God brought me back in but he was there when I absolutely needed him and without going into detail I will say that the things that he did for me could not have been mere chance, it would mathematically impossible.

If you do want to know why we Christians can believe in Him and how we get passed the whole "dictator" thing then you shouldn't be asking us to show you, you should ask God himself to show you. Like I said, if he is an all powerful God then he has that ability and he more than likely will do something to show it to you.

But if I am wrong then I am wrong and you can rest assured that you have nothing to worry about but you need to ask him honestly.

Do it on your own though, don't let anyone know and just see what happens.

 

I looked and reached and I found nothing.

I wasn't always an Atheist. I was raised Christian and I never once felt any connection to the supposed God. Then I read the Bible and that only cemented my belief that if the God of the Bible exists, it is a horrible monster unworthy of worship.

 

Well if you were saved then you know that God had promised he would never leave you so he is probably not done with you yet. Like I said, it took a long time for Him to get me back in the church.

Like you, I also argued the exact same points with Christians but I was far better at it than you are, and I am now thinking that perhaps God allowed that so I would be able to debate this topic from both perspectives and he may use me to break down some of those walls that non-Christians have built up.

You may ultimately stick with your views but for all I know there is someone watching this thread in silence who is sitting on the fence who God may be reaching out to.

Either way, even if God is not real, it has brought immense peace and joy to my life so for me it is worth it, even if it turns out I am wrong in the end.

That is also something to consider.

The ability to cope with life's ups and downs without tailspinning into fear or depression, without getting angry, without resorting to drugs or alcohol, is an amazing thing in itself. In fact, it is the exact thing many non-Christians strive for and they spend millions on seminars, yoga, self-help books...you name it to achieve that when in actuality, a simple prayer can accomplish the same thing if they believe.