Should Muslims convert or?

LOLOL

Don't change the subject.

He had no way of learning about Islam.

 

Complete nonsense

 

Well, please tell me how he learned about Islam.
How did he learn about Muhammed.

1st, you can't learn very much about Islam by reading the Qur'an,
And much of what you did learn is wrong.

2nd, It would be another 150 years before the Sunnah is translated into English.


You are the one shooting off your mouth.
Please tell us where Jefferson got his information.
You seem to have no problem spewing nonsense.

 

Well, I'm sorry but they will have to risk their lives (apostasy, mind you) and give up their evil anti-western barbaric ideology.

What are you talking about, go take a walk in Paris for example. Europe is starting to look like a zoo.
Again, if Muslims think they are so cool, let them live in their Islamic fancy world. Just count us out.

 

Certainly, the direction, the flow of immigration reveals much.

 

Jefferson was pro-immigration so it would have been wonderful if the muslims of that time had flooded into the US. They must not have had any ocean-going ships available.

 

Lots of slaves came in as Muslim, but were forced into Christianity, so Islam disappeared after a generation or so.

 

There was no such thing as political correctness, they would have been wiped off the continent.

 

That is not true because there were muslims fighting on the side of the slavers during the Revolutionary War. Muslims fought in the War of 1812 and in the Civil War.

 

There might have been a couple, fresh from Africa. but they slowly got into Christianity.

Maybe you could post an ancient Mosque.

 

Are you speaking from experience? Are you living in the Muslim world?

 

That's ISIS strategy.. to make it so hard on Muslims that they leave Islam or join ISIS.

 

I mean, you've advocated a wall, that if anything makes it even harder, so you don't seem that sorry to me.

If you base your morality on appearances, no wonder you've ended up with conclusions which many others consider short sighted.

Well, many do. Those who would be kept out by your wall, however, are those who don't want to live there. You're only attacking those who don't agree with the idea you attack them for.

 

I mean, that seems to be Canell's strategy too.

 

Yes. ISIS has made their strategy very clear.

 

Yes, I am.

Oh believe me, I am very very sorry. If Islam wasn't around, the world would be a much, much better place.
It has become an existential threat to Europe in this 21-st century.

I base may conclusions on behavior. When you see the mattresses on Parisian streets or African savages climbing lauries to cross Kale and occasionally beating their drivers for defending their cargo, when you see "ninjas" in the middle of Munich or London, when you see barbarians groping and dirty talking about European girls, when you see gypsies mugging tourists in Milan, there is something very wrong about that.

And no, the problem is not Muslims, the problem is Islam.

https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2017/04/214383/egyptian-writer-islam-cannot-reformed/

 

muslims should have to vow to be unlike mohammad. There is no place in western civilization for either the things that mohammad taught or the examples mohammad set.

Many people did many horrible things in the name of Christianity and quite in contrast to the teachings and examples set by Jesus Christ.

Many people are doing many horrible things in the name of islam and quite in keeping with the teachings and examples set by mohammad.

 

OH, it was an existential threat to Europe in the 10th century, however we didn't have political correctness back then.

 

My point is that your argument and your approach doesn't actually distance us from the situation you don't seem to like. Walls and insisting that they are the enemy will only cement the animosity between west and middle east. It does very little to actually stop it.

And still I know Muslims who don't do any of that. I maintain that it is a pipe-dream to think that Muslims robbing people will simply convert and improve, we need to facilitate people leaving the extreme/violent/criminal behaviour, and moderate Islam seems to me the most viable and effective route, no matter how philosophically inconsistent you or Erdogan find it.

 

And what is "moderate Islam'.
Are you saying we should remove Muhammed from the religion.


Islam is not moderate.
Islam is violent.

 

Those fighting terrorism in the ME today are mostly Muslims - the moderate Islam that is in the vast majority. The idea that a whole region would espouse a religion that promotes or even accepts terrorism is just plain ludicrous.

And, we need to recognize the reasons for terrorism emerging and what it is that ends terrorism.

The IRA was not reduced by thee tactis of war used by England. So, how WAS the IRA reduced?

The terrorism of Mandela was not reduced by the police state of thee white supremaist governments of South Africa - regardless of the level of violence by the governmen. So, how did the end to that terrorism come about?

The terrorism of ETA was once prominent. How was that reduced?

 

That is asinine and you know it.
Islam is terrorist.
Muhammed was a terrorist.
He encouraged his men to be terrorist.

"You have in the messenger a beautiful pattern of conduct to follow." (Qur'an)

 

WTF?? Our governmet can't even change religions in the US.

And, you can't even make a case that Islam is more violent than is Christianity.

 

There is ample evidence of terrorism from thosee who espouse Christianity, too.

 

LOLOLOOL
Oh, Bullsh-t
That case has been made many times.
Christianity is nowhere near as violent as Islam.

In fact, I can't think of any religion as violent as Islam.