Capitalism is a great engine of innovation and economic growth that works by providing fabulous rewards to those who provide what the market wants. These rewards incentive work, effort, and risk taking that provides innovation and efficiency. We should not destroy that element. The problem with capitalism is that it does not give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about people who, because of age, infirmity, illness, mental condition or just temporary market conditions, do not have market value that provides a basic level of subsistence. Capitalism doesn't care if they starve to death in the streets or bleed to death because they couldn't afford health insurance. Capitalism is only interested in profit and enriching their owners. Capitalism doesn't care if our skies and waters and beaches are polluted or that our resources are mismanaged or that the workers are unprotected are abused. Capitalism just cares about profit. "Leftists" like me recognize that profit and incentive are important and need to be maintained for an effective economy. But we also believe people have a value that is not simply a function of the current market value for their skills or services. We recognize that clean air and water have values over just profit margins. We like the fact that hordes of the aged or infirm or temporarily down on their luck are not living under freeways begging for food at stoplights, that our air and water are cleaner, that workers and investors and consumers have some basic rights and protections against sweatshops and ripoff and frauds, that people don't bleed to death outside a hospital because they don't have health care coverage, and that a little boy doesn't have to forego an education because his parent is too poor. And so we believe that society is enhanced when you provide social programs and regulations that limit some of the defects and harness of laizzes-faire capitalism. And you can have a system that both provides tremendous rewards, but also provides tax revenues to support the safety nets and regulations that limit those defects of laizzes-faire capitalism. That is why I support government "plunder". Other leftists can speak for themselves. Right now, the richest 1% take 20% of the nation's income and have about 40% of the nation's wealth. Those figures are double from 30 years ago. It certain is not a question of how much more you think they need as they are well beyond the parameters of need. The question is how much more of the nation's income and wealth do you think the 1% should have, and how much less should the middle and lower classes have?