Teens roam streets with rifles as crime swamps Sweden

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  1. Sallyally

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    Priceless ^^. Anyone who presents data questioning the immigration policy in any EU country is a racist or bigot who creates fake news. High strategy that.
     
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    when the data is bullshit? yep got it in one. So good of you to recognize a superior strategy to yours.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why? I'll cry racist or bigot (in this case although racists can't discern the difference) when I see one.

    Perhaps you think they don't leave a trail of slime behind. Qu'elle surprise.
     
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    Yes, the government censored data presented by EU MSM is BS. And that is their strategy for attacking the truth and those who question the promised economic and social benefits of immigration of people who have no intent of unifying with the respective EU country social and governance tenets and values. You want reality - then read "The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam" - Douglas Murray - 2017. Truth is the best and superior strategy. And unless significant changes are made Europe is headed for Sharia Law in a few decades.
     
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    You see them behind every rock and use that strategy to avoid the truth. "Trail of slime" ?? That's hilarious. Part of the overall strategy for truth avoidance no doubt.
     
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    What is the actual argument over Sweden and Muslim immigration there?
    What are the actual factual assertions made about Muslim crime in Sweden?
    That there is some? That there is a lot? If we could have some concrete facts put forward, the argument could go on to causes.

    Here is one fact: Swedish rape statistics cannot be compared to anywhere else because of the way 'rape' is defined, and the data collected, there, which varies widely from similar statistical methods in other countries. They may well be higher than elsewhere even with comparable definitions, the rapists may be predominantly Muslim ... but we cannot know that from the official statistics.

    I suspect that for some people, even if the crime statistics of Muslims in Sweden were comparable to, or lower than, those of the indigenous Swedish population, they would still think the Swedes are committing national suicide.

    And for others, even if the crime statistics were significantly higher, they would still think the Swedes should continue to bring in lots of Muslims.

    So between these two viewpoints, the argument shouldn't be about the statistics of crime, but about whatever it is that underpins their beliefs about the goodness, or badness, of mass Muslim immigration to Europe.
     
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    The question is unity with respect to the historical values, rule of law, and governance of Sweden. If the Muslim immigrants will assimilate and honor those values, rule of law, and governance of Sweden then all is well. If they are Islamists and will not then Sweden's (as we currently know it) is on a death spiral because the birth rates of the Islamists far exceed those of Swedish citizens who honor and believe in those historical values, rule of law, and governance of Sweden. There is nothing racist in the preceding but if anyone puts forward this for discussion they are immediately branded a racist by the illiberal elites in Sweden who sold the idea that mass immigration was an economic benefit and good for Sweden.
     
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    The quran is only part of it. People are a product of their environment and you can't expect those who grew up learning that women and non-muslims are lesser beings to change by moving them to a new location. You can take the caveman out of the cave, but...



    What do you propose?
     
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    oh no, I only see them when they crawl out from under their rock.

    I thought that trial of slime reference was quite appropriate - it was funny to me at the time.

    As for truth avoidance, what truth am I supposed to be avoiding? The BS of the OP? The threat to civilization posed by immigrants of another color? Or merely the truth that racists can't stand being called out?
     
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    “The Strange Death of Europe”

    BTW your strategy is completely transparent.
     
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    Of course its a government conspiracy because the facts don't jive with the bigot\s narrative. Common enough tactic that helps to support the narrative.

    I was unaware of Murray. It seems he's made quite the name for himself as writer and journalist and activist.

    I wonder if this is just a hit piece or contains some valid criticisms?

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/06/strange-death-europe-immigration-xenophobia

    I understand the bias of the critic. She doesn't like bigots and racism so naturally she wouldn't think much of the his ideas and perspectives.

    But thanks for the reference. It does illuminate a corner or two.
     
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    Because you say so…
     
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    And they are the only bad guys in the world…… geeez
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No and I never said they were. You know "context" might help. geeeeeeez
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, because the crime statistics and actual swedish media coverage give lie to it. Amazing you think like you I just kneejerk? I actually follow stories to the source material. This is nothing but bullshit that other bigots just lap up and regurgitate to stir up the fear and loathing.

    'Course it does work as the usual suspects around here are proving.
     
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    Brilliant. Truly Sherlockian.

    Couldn't possibly be because I have repeated told you and others around here what it is and follow thru with its tactical implementation, could it?

    Lead a horse and all that stuff.

    Keep teeing them up. I'm enjoying it.
     
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    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...other_religions_is_naive_and_plain_wrong.html

    Maher vs. Charlie Rose: To Claim Islam Is Like Other Religions Is Naive And Plain Wrong -- with transcript and video.
     
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    In case spelling it out is necessary xenophobia has nothing to do with religion.


    xen·o·pho·bi·a
    ˌzenəˈfōbēə,ˌzēnəˈfōbēə/
    noun
    1. intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries
     
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    Add "America Alone" and "The Last Days of Europe" to your reading list. I must say that you appear to be quite uninformed on this subject. Is that a strategy ??
     
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    Your strategy is to claim that anyone who expresses concern about the EU immigration policy is obviously a bigot and/or racist. That's transparent, immature, and illiberal. I'll continue to point that "tactical implementation" out every time it is observed being teed up. Enjoy yourself.
     
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    A google search on your OP, turns up nothing.
    Can't even read your link without signing up for something.

    Got a real source for this? Is this story even true. Probably not.
     
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    It is completely rational to object to people immigrating to a person's country facilitated by that country's government who do not assimilate and demonstrate unity with regard to the historical values, rule of law, and governance of that country. And it is completely rational to fear that continuation of this government immigration policy will result in a complete change of the rule of law and governance of that country in the future because the fertility rates of these non assimilating immigrants is ~ 5X higher. There is nothing racist or xenophobic about the preceding statements.
     
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    Dear World !

    Sweden is Sweden.

    Y'wanna immigrate to Sweden,
    Learn Swedish.
    Learn appreciation of Swedish culture, history, society.


    My Russky Wife required nothing less than above in the land of the free and the home of . . . .

    Sweden For The Swedes!
    Hurrah!


    Make them eat lutefist!



     
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    Lutefisk is going too far. Not sure about lutefist however. :alcoholic:
     

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