Texas nationalist Would Like to Secede Now

LMAO, could not have said it better myself.!!!

 

Yes TX isn't leaving the union, thank you for the levity.

The use of force would be to the ones proposing secession. If people want to leave the US, no one is stopping them.

 

If a state voted to leave the union how is that force, it's called the democratic process. Try again.

 

Oh. IC. Now you're an originalist wrt the Constitution.

 

Man you must be on a different planet if you think active duty military are going to participate in treason. That is what you are talking about. TREASON. Besides which this is just crazy talk. See my avatar.

 

A state in the US does not have that willful option. Show me in the US Constitution where it explicitly states a state can simply vote itself outside the US.

 

We're talking about possible scenarios and outcomes if Texas were to attempt secession. What you don't understand - 'cuz yer a liberal - is that the mindset which would entertain secession does so because of the belief that the Constitution has already been abrogated.

Funny how these Progressives are suddenly so Originalist wrt the Constitution. Well, lefties: you're just being outProgressed. Your version of sticking to the Constitution has been evolved past. Try to keep up, will you?

Which is why such a secession wouldn't abandon the Constitution at all; it would nearly certainly be the law of that land, likely with Amendments added to destroy any attempt by future liberal asshats who claim that "Separation of Church and State" means that no free expression of religious belief can be displayed in public buildings, and "General Welfare" means that the Government can be inflated to an enormous NannyState to fulfill any whim any bureaucrat wishes to entertain.

Probably get rid of income tax as well, considering that Andrew Mellon also knew it was flatly unConstitutional legalized theft.

But you guys wouldn't know anything about that; you haven't Progressed far enough to understand.

 

Of that, there is no doubt.

 

A tremendous number of people would, I am guessing.

 

No it doesn't.

 

No need to even do that, succeed and use the original constitution and follow it as intended.

 

If its not in the Constitution its up to the states.... You are welcome.

 

The US constitution is for the federal government.

States created and continue to be the Federal government, not the other way around.

 

Then go ahead and try, but don't say I didn't warn you.

 

Just so you know, most of our military are conservatives, and many of them come from states like Texas.

 

Been in the DoD for 23 yrs, TX has no lock on personnel, plus most prevelant, these people are professionals and follow orders, not politics. I assure you, there are Liberals that are needed and provide necessary high tech services to the DoD. Your secessionist ilk are only deluding yourselves if you actually believe these people will take up arms against the US.

 

Who said anything about taking up arms against the US? You can succeed without firing a shot. Every state is sovereign entity. Don't forget, the states created the federal government, not the other way around.

 

Go ahead, see what happens, its your backside!!!

 

Let TX go.
Nothing good has ever come from Texas and it will save the USA a ton of money to shed shed a 'taker' state like TX,

 

Only if we wanted to keep texas.
If that should be the case, the US military would finish the tx NG in about 4.5 seconds.

 

The Civil War proves you wrong. States do not have the right to unilaterally secede.

 

Q: Doesn't the Texas Constitution reserve the right of Texas to secede? [BACK TO TOP]
A: This heavily popularized bit of Texas folklore finds no corroboration where it counts: No such provision is found in the current Texas Constitution[1] (adopted in 1876) or the terms of annexation.[2] However, it does state (in Article 1, Section 1) that "Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States..." (note that it does not state "...subject to the President of the United States..." or "...subject to the Congress of the United States..." or "...subject to the collective will of one or more of the other States...")

Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the united States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other "free and independent State") from the United States. Joining the "Union" was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government "experts"—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said).

Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also state that "All political power is inherent in the people ... they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Likewise, each of the united States is "united" with the others explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." [3]

http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm

The US Constitution is silent on the issue of secession. There is no provision in the Texas Constitution (current or former) that reserves the right of secession, but it does state that "Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States" ... not to the President of the US or even the Congress of the US.

Both original and current Texas Constitutions state that political power is inherent in the people and (just as the Declaration of Independence declares) "the people have the right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Texas and Hawaii are two states that were once recognized as independent nations, before choosing to join the Union. Their voluntary decision to join the Union did not come with an explicit agreement that they could never leave. <snip> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_Texas_secede_from_the_union

 

They know where we are at in the Societal Curve of Democracy.

 

I just don't get it. If one or more states wish to leave the union, why would the other states care? If Texas wants to leave the union, I as a Pennsylvanian really don't care. I mean, Canada's not in our union, and I like them just fine. What's the big deal with wanting to keep other states captive?

 

Much adoo about nothing. Texas isn't going to secede. They will get over their whining sooner than later.

As far as Texas being a "taker" state (Red Socialist,) as one poster claimed, the only information (old) I could find shows that Texas puts in slightly more than they take out. It's about even both ways. Also, many good things have come out of Texas. Just not here lately.