The American-Western European Values Gap

Actually, I don't support the federal govt. in any capacity. I would like to see it destroyed and its powers devolve to the states to go their separate ways. After the federal govt. is destroyed I would like to see Big Business have its assets liquidated so it can follow Big Govt. into the mists of time.

Calling me a hypocrite is a violation of the terms of service, and I'll have to report you for a personal attack. Don't make this mistake again or you will be banned.

 

Irony is switching on the TV and watching lines of 1000's of American's queuing for free health care, given in temporary tents (al-la M.A.S.H.) because their "1st world country" is unable or unwilling to help them.

Irony is 10% unemployment, is mass reposission of homes the like of which never seen before. Of a near police state where personal freedoms are brutally supressed by the police at the request of the elite. It's crumbling bridges and roads, while the rich drive Hummers.

But most of all, it's poor right wingers supporting the system which does this to them, as they've been indoctorinated to believe that this system is the best the world can offer.

 

So how long have you lived in Chicago?

 

So you believe the states should be split up? I actually agree.

It's not and you are. Also, I wasn't aware that you was a mod?

 

Well, I've reported you so we'll have to see what the mods do. I have a feeling you'll probably can me nasty things again, and I'll report you again.

 

*Rolls eyes* Considering the amount of abuse us "f***ing Euros" have recieved on this thread, I find this a little childish. But go for gold buddy.

 

You can be mean and harsh to ideas, policies, groups; but you can't denigrate or personally attack fellow members.

 

Ya seem to forget what premiss this thread was started on, you know some euro and his moral superiority complex, but keep kissing euro ass, buddy.

 

American financial system too.

 

LOL. If USA is already experiencing the third world characteristics, and when Republicans win, the transition will be complete.

 

In Europe also there is strong anachism. Much stronger than USA. Greece has strong anarchist groups. Spain, Barcelona some, but now is very weak, and there are many people self-called anarchist that is not.

 

Yup, American Anarchism is worse than being Hitler. I am one of few but it does not detour me.

 

"f***ing Euros" are follow members, they are not policies, groups etc...

 

Gangsters and other scumbags always believe that. The amazing thing about America is that they pretend to believe in God.

 

Lol, you obviously don't know what third world characteristics are, but that come as no surprise, because don't seem to know much at all.

 

The attitude is changing. Since the Great Depression, we've been moving away from an empowerment nation to an entitlement nation. It has tarnished the Protestant work ethic, particularly among young Americans.

 

yeah but then they grow up and get that first real paycheck with 40% of it missing and say "WTF?"

Instant conservatives. That is why its good make your teenager go out and get a part time job, so he pays taxes and you can say "See? There are other kids like you who get that money who don't work. Then they get 200 dollar Nikes and shop at the mall too while you work for them." and then they learn.

 

I can't argue with the literature and art. Europe and Russia definitely have those hands down, especially the art; however, our literary history is quite rich.

But as far as "intellectual" movements go, ours was the pinnacle. We actualized the rights of "man" and representative government. The Declaration of Independence is arguably the most influential document ever written.

As for film, you must be out of your mind! The US is king, period.

The only difference being that the US was smart enough to embrace Locke, Paine, Smith, and Hobbes, whereas Europe contented itself with a perverse mix of Marx, Nietzsche, and Machiavelli.

Because the US military is there, like I said.

I'm talking about the Cold War, too. If it weren't for the US, Europe would have been subsumed by the Nazis or the Soviets. We beat them both (not to mention the imperial Japanese) and ushered in an era of unprecedented peace and prosperity for Europe. They remain forever ungrateful, and many Americans, for some inexplicable reason, can't help but nod in agreement with these ingrates.

Indeed, the work of the same Federal government which allegedly fought the South because of slavery.

But I digress, the US does indeed have blood on its hands, but, unlike its Euro-Asian counterparts, it actually evolved over time. Our defeat of the Nazis, Imperial Japanese, and Soviets was an immense turning point in world history. It was the effective end of conventional warfare between developed nation-states and the pax-Americana has persisted for decades.

I suppose this is generally true. I don't really know.

I don't think you're a traitor. As far as leftists go, you're definitely one of the more intelligent ones. I do think, however, that, like many young people, you've bought into a bunch of leftist myths.

 

The US's involvement in Vietnam was part of the effort to contain the spread of communism. And the few incidents where the US engaged in war crimes during Vietnam were absolutely nothing compared to what the NVA did after we left.

The point, however, is that the ONLY lasting era of peace ever enjoyed by Europe came after the US invaded them and established a permanent military presence on their soil.

If it weren't for us, you'd be living under a Nazi or a Soviet dictatorship.

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No, not even close. The US absolutely destroyed the Nazis on the Western front and then contained the Soviets after WWII. Our continued presence in Europe is what permitted the peace and relative prosperity you've enjoyed. You simply cannot bring yourself to admit that fact because it goes against everything you've been told to believe about the evil Americans.

I'm not talking about the "initial settlers". I'm talking about the founders and the patriots who rejected monarchy and codified religious freedom into our Constitution.

 

This is an outrageous lie of epic proportions!

Europeans are champions of "equality of opportunity", even hardcore Conservative Americans acknowledge this, e.g. Senator Pawlenty in the Republican debates stating that economic and social mobility in Europe is far higher than in America.

 

The European banking system, much like the US banking system, is nothing more than a bunch of convoluted socialism.

The state owns and operates the money supplies in all of those nations. That's socialism by definition. It just so happens that it is socialism for the rich, which is how socialism ALWAYS works out in practice.

The idiotic notion that capitalism or free markets were to blame is a monstrous and despicable lie that has absolutely no basis in fact whatsoever.

Capitalism and free markets are the exact opposite of our banking systems.

 

Wow, I had read it the exact opposite way. Europe is the one backwards. They believe that group membership is more important than individualism.

 

The USA was founded by more than just one religious sect.

 

Definitely agree, but it's a failure of our socialist banking system, not capitalism or markets.

And if our financial system fails, we still have two oceans separating us from everyone else, a massive fresh-water supply, wide swaths of arable land, and an ocean of oil and natural gas under our soil.

What does Europe have?

 

What about American atheists who don't like you folks either. Truth be told, none of us like you folks.