The new fascism

I have never heard an anarchist advocate for government of any kind. Where do you get this information that forms your complete misunderstanding of anarchism from?

 

Tell me how anarchism works. Let me start the scenerio and you can fill in the holes.

Imagine a society with no government. People on their own...protecting their own houses and property, putting out their own fires and driving their own speed limits.

Then...certain people decide to go into business to make a profit. They take a risk, buy some inventory, implement some marketing and suddenly they realize that they are making a profit off their investments through selling services and products to others. They expand, hire people at minimum wage. People who barely make it and who can be fired at will.

This all catches on....other people want to take a risk too and see what profits they can acquire. With no regulation from a government that doesn't exist....capitalism takes off! Soon you have rich people with resources, financial padding and clout!

In a scenerio like the above----what does an Anarchist do? Is this acceptable to the Anarchist idealogy?

Educate me a little....

 

In anarchy people dont start things to make profit.

 

Thepower of fail, by american conservatives.

Anarchists advocating strong governments.

 

How are people who make a profit controlled? Seeing as how you advocate for little to no government.

 

Yep. Ya'll are so clueless to what you have to have in place for a successfully "equal" "anarchist society" free of evil profits, and capitalism .....that it makes me think this isn't a well thought out idealology but something based on a nonsensical emotional reaction.

 

http://www.anarchism.net/

 

Can you not articulate your own ideological position? That is strange. Most people are passionate enough where they work for hard to communicate their stances clearly. But I'm being sent to websites that look pages long but says nothing.

I'm not surprised.

 

just an attempt at humor.

 

what do you think the 14th amendment created?

You wanna have a kid, before his wet a$$ hits the table that is in debt for over $40,000 bucks to the national debt.

That is called a bondswoman or a bondsman.

In other words a slave.

Free range slave because they do not need chains to track you or find you. YOu are forced into the matrix and to use the design of the matrix if you want to survive.

There is no where to go, there is no way to escape..


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q"]George Carlin ~ The American Dream - YouTube[/ame]

 

So then the anarchists would have to just get rid of anyone who disagreed with them? because no matter where the GOV goes their will always be people looking for the profit.

 

How do you do profit in a world that concept doesn't exist

And if human species want to survive they will have to adopt this model

 

So you have nothing better to do than create boogeymen in your head. Once again you demonstrate that you have no clue what fascism is, and you have no clue about politics in America.

 

Less tax for the working man? Who is out of a job because American capitalists have screwed the economy and evade taxes themselves on a massive scale.

Yeah, right.

 

Your idea of a fascist is someone who resists the idea that freedom is three hots and a cot. Freedom is not a guaranteed standard of living by a government who controls and dictates every aspect of our life. Freedom can only exist under a limited government that understands its role is to protect life, liberty, and property.

So to you, someone who wants limited government is a fascist. But again, you are someone who feels freedom is servitude. You would call Thomas Jefferson a fascist.

 

That fact that you misunderstand what conservatives believe in because you are unable to see their views outside of your own personal hard left filter does not make them fascists. And I'm sorry you feel that way. But the problem is not us. The problem is the way you view the world and your inability to see the whole picture.

To a blind man, the whole world looks dark.

 

Its mostly that. Bunch of chest thumpers who are really (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)cats in real life.
Also, what doesn't come across on screen are the smiles, the winks, the tone of voice.
Interesting observation is that those who so quickly rubber stamp those with whom they disagree, don't seem to have much observational capabilities, and seem to display an entirely new version of bigotry, while accusing others of being bigots, or worse.

 

No. You, the ones that want "limited government", because in reality you don't want limited government, mainly social conservatives feel freedom is servitude. You want a master-slave system, just changing it for owner-worker. But it is the same idea.

Fascism is a system that tries to control personal lifes, your believes, a fascist is a conservative that is nationalist, that is extremely religious,... All these ideas that the fascism and the conservative share make them fascist, because I don't see difference.

You can say whatever you want of your small government, reality isn't that.

 

That's news to me! It's hard to argue with someone who claims to know what I want more than I do. Lol, grow up buddy.

 

Don't you love being lectured too, about how you feel and your view of political issues by some clueless and arrogant kid from Europe?

Good stuff.

 

Kid? I am not a kid. And I am not clueless. The problem is that too much superior to you, that obviously I can lecture to you without problem

The fascism always have been linked to the ignorance And America, American Conservatism is such antiintellectual movement. How is possible that there is people that believe in the creationist myth? Only for that conservatism must be desacredited at all.

And not only that, if not that later the beliefs of many conservative are awfully authoritarian and sharing the same ideals with the fascism.

Maybe I can be confused with some persons, and maybe CKW isn't a social conservative but I don't think that my analysis of the conservatism has gone so far from reality.

Always in time of crisis the fascism grows, and now we are in time of crisis and conservatism aka fascism has grown a lot. You only have to see what defend a fascist party in Europe and what defends the official line of the conservatism and are the same

Some of you know what defend the fascist party Falange de las JONS in Spain? Although there are some differences, in their populism are very similar.

The Tea Party movement is a very possible fascist movement, and we have to wait to the close future to see the results of that, but I expect an America closer to the totalitarism than now.

The same is expectable in Europe, for example in Spain from the 20th of November that will win the elections the PP, and in the communities that they are governing they are showing their absolutely authoritarian face, with their "neoliberal" ideology. WHat is their "neoliberal" ideology, that all the public must be privatized. Remove rights to workers. We will have very antisocial life conditions from now on.

 

No, you're really not.

Says who, you? Lol.

So, are we talking politics or religion? Please make up your mind.

So the call for small government and fiscal sanity(the very bedrock of American conservatism) is fascism? See, you have once demonstrated how very little you know about fascism or American conservatism.

Here's a definition to help you out, since you obviously have no clue what fascism is.

Fascism:s an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie. Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.

Ya, you're understating the obvious.

Yes, it has. And it does every time you get on here and pretend to now what you're talking about.

I don't know or could care less what's happening in Europe. But here in the states, government is not popular here, and most Americans thru out our history have been wary of a powerful government, things haven't changed much. The only true fascist in our country are the nest of leftwing and rightwing statist.

Maybe you haven't got the memo, we're not (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Europe. To say so is highly insulting.

We are not Spain, and there is no similarities at all.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong? Can you even name what the tea party mantra is, and how it relates to fascism? I highly doubt it.

Ya, this makes no sense at all.

Once again, you try to fit us in the same (*)(*)(*)(*)ing package as Europe. How hard is for you to grasp, that we are nothing alike?

 

Kilgram, there is little point in arguing with morons. You can feed them fact, observation and logic, but it just bounces off them.

The outcome for America is certain - Fascism American style within the next Three years.

The mistake people make about Fascism is that they forget that it was wildly popular at its inception, this error is compounded of course by American Narcissism that assumes that while it happened then, it couldn't happen now because we know so much more and are better educated, and nothing you can say will convince them that (a) They aren't better educated, and (b) It is already happening here.

America has already demonised Muslims exactly like Hitler demonised "The Jew" and Slavic untermenschen and created a permanent state of fear that justifies curtailment of civil liberties in the interests of "National Security", my highlight in bold red.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...earched-and-detained-for-suspicious-activity/

Does anyone NOT understand how lethal such an attitude is to the existence of Democracy, Freedom and Liberty?

(I guess not or the wouldn't argue with you. Briefly America has created a situation where a mere allegation of "National Security" trumps each and every persons Constitutional rights)



Then there is the other side of the coin - the promotion of militarism against the "Threat" we have just invented. What, for example, is this - the opening of a Miami NFL opening game a few nights ago if not a display of pure political militarism?

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/09/13/rituals/index.html

I pray, really pray, that Americans would download and read their own Robert Paxton's "The Five Stages Of Fascism" and then realise how far down the slippery slope they have traveled. My opinion is that the slide into American Fascism is now unstoppable. However some people, even Conservatives, will still be surprised when the day finally comes.


http://www.salemstate.edu/~cmauriello/pdfEuropean/Paxton_Five Stages of Fascism.pdf