The new fascism

According to your logic the Palestinians should welcome the Israeli settlers.

 

If the situation was normal, and not a war act yes.

 

Is the movement of a new people into new territory ever acceptable if it is opposed by a substantial number of the existing people of that territory?

 

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You posts also display less than a useful knowledge of the facts.

Taking the last question first, it is the business of the whole world what you do in America since we lent you a very great deal of money. You are in our debt. We want to be paid back. We want to know you are doing things to your economy that will generate the income to pay us back. The main thing of course being to engage in job creation that will stimulate demand and also increase your tax revenue base because when people aren't working they cannot pay tax.

As for your "Socialist" jibe, haven't you heard the famous saying of business? "Socialise the losses and privatise the profits?" Both Republicans and Democrats are socialists when it comes to helping big business!

The difference is that when those businesses are profitable again, the Democrats will ask for the funds advanced to be repaid, the Republicans will scream about profits being private property!

What Conservatives fear - the unspoken threat, is that next time the banks go underwater, there will be no bail out by Government, in other words, Government will tell them to suck it up and take their medicine.

Now a word of advice; forget this artificial duality - socialist/ Capitalist, Liberal/Conservative it does you no good and makes you sound like just another one of these yapping know nothings.

There is no way in hell the Obama administration are socialists because I've lived under a socialist far left government and it is nothing like Obama. What you have in America right now is a corporatist Government and both sides of Congress bend over backwards to do its bidding.

Even that would not be a problem if the Corporations had morals and ethics - which they don't (being constrained to be amoral) and a vested interest in seeing the economy grow and unemployment reduced. However this is not the case.

The corporations have bet against the American economy! They want the middle class crushed politically. They want unions destroyed! They are sitting on piles of cash and they won't invest a cent of it till they believe the market has bottomed and they can pick up assets for pennies in the dollar.

That day is unfortunately for you coming this autumn. The "Super Congress" won't agree on necessary cuts. That will trigger fixed cuts. That will mean that more jobs will vanish. That will result in even less tax revenue for the Obama Administration. That will mean that the temporary debt ceiling will be hit much earlier than planned. That will trigger even more instability - you are in an economic death spiral. There is still some 10 trillion in toxic financial assets in the markets and this time around the banks may go under taking Wall Street and the City of London with them.

Of course this wasn't quite the Republican plan. Their idea is for a crisis driven landslide election win, followed by the rolling back of the New Deal and renewed investment and prosperity - but not for the middle class, only for the very rich. At least that is the plan, if a demagogue appears and whips up sufficient support, you will lose your Republic.

Obama? What about him? He is finished.

 

No, it is a occupation with weapons. It is not normal. You are doing something by force. Removing rights to the people that lived there. That is not comparable to a normal immigration movement, being legal or illegal, whatever. That is not immigration. That is an occupation, it is not the same.

 

"Normal" according to who? You? Puh-leeze.....

 

Normal: Something common, something usual.

The palestinian-israeli conflict is not normal, because they are in war. And it is not a normal situation. And one group of people is trying to invade the other by force.

And I won't say what confirms me these last comments.

 

Seeing how the things go in this forum I think that is the moment to revive this thread, instead repeating a new one.

I am having the sensation that the fascism in USA has removed his mask and is gaining more force and more force, and being eveyday more accepted however it continues under the disguise of conservatism. And a clear example of this fascism is Santorum, authoritarian, ultrarreligious, nationalist,...

 

Not fascism only. The same seems to be true for other forms of dictatorship.
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I disagree, I think something very bad will come of it unless it's stopped now!

 

You're right, but it's Obama introducing fascism...by executive order, released on a Friday night so it would get less coverage. Take a look:

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And there you have it. The govt giving itself the right to dictate production, and the ability to seize private goods from industry.

 

If you don't know what fascism is or socialism or Marxism, just admit it.
If you don't understand the meaning of what you just posted, listen to those that have explained to you.
It's not fascism and it's nothing to be concerned with, in other words your talking heads are stirring you up over nothing....again and you have fallen for it....again.

 

You do realize that is exactly what America was before the great depression.

Businesses were left alone to save the economy. Oh wait... that didn't work out so well now did.

Welfare needs to have some form of return, I think if you are on welfare you should contribute in some fashion, IE public service until you can get a private job.

Corporations are not the solution to a thriving economy. They are proving to be a liability, and in the long run will be America's downfall if we allow them to own the electoral process with this Super-Pac craziness.

 

Not exactly:

 

I understand you're paranoid and long for an all-powerful nanny state that will take care of you.

No one is less tolerant than the leftists. They long to return to the purges. Imprisoning and executing people by executive order, a power recently given to our socialist in charge is so much more convenient.

Racist? You're joking. The current socialist in the Presidency is the most racist president in the U.S. in the last 70 years.

And the favorite program. Work being optional. I don't know a single conservative who wants to abolish welfare. Welfare to frauds and deadbeats, sure. Old people, those who are legitimately ill and can't work, fine with that. Deadbeats and frauds. No.

The socialists want a state where a small group of elite politicians have absolute and total power. That is your dream and my nightmare.

I don't understand how you can consider the leisure class who exist off the labor of those who work as slaves. But, I can't understand most of your paranoid fantasies.

But, you stopped too soon. The socialists insist on doing away with speech free from government controls. Every day the leftists assault free speech. The family? It's a horrible institution and when the leftists can't totally destroy the family they simply userp all of the families ahthority and independence. Another of my favorites. In the U.S., absolutely the only activity involving the govenment that doesn't require an ID is voting. The leftists are committed to keeping dead people and foreign nationals voting and allowing deadbeats, who don't have a job to go to, to vote over and over again.

Sorry, Kilgram. You need help.

 

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Point one: If Obama is socialist I am conservative. That means that Obama has of Socialist the same that I have of conservative. Nothing. Only your wet dreams

Point two: I don't want a nanny state. But I don't want a capitalist system.

Point three: Who are the ones that are saying that would ban the porn, who are the ones that approved a law that atheists can't work in public jobs in Tennesse or negate the existence of God in Vermont. Who are the ones that approved the law to consider a felony having six vibrators in home in Texas? Or the ban of oral sex in South Carolina? That are authoritarian things of the leftism? Or better said coming from the right. And just I've mentioned some of this laws that you have in many states. Absolutely intolerable laws that show how the government wants to control the people. That is fascism.

Who is the one that needs help?

And you are saying that Obama is racist, justify that.

I have to remember you the fraud during the election of Bush of his brother in Florida?

Ah, more fascist laws: In Orlando is forbidden give to eat to the poors outside. And also we can add the law H.R-347.

 

Charity is a voluntarily act. One has the freedom to choose to provide money, goods, or personal labor. That's what fee people do. And by the way, conservatives give more goods, money, and labor to charitable causes, than leftist in this country, by far.

Welfare is a forced act from the state. It takes one group of people, and gives too another.

As much as you pretend that you're an anarchist, you're fooling nobody, you are just another run of the mill leftist authoritarian, thru and thru.

 

Point one: If Obama is socialist I am conservative. That means that Obama has of Socialist the same that I have of conservative. Nothing. Only your wet dreams

Response: Sorry, the only wet dream here is you in your total denial. I realize leftists hate each other even more than they hate capitalist but President Obama is a socialist, which is on the walk to communism and his dream is to be a dictator.

Point two: I don't want a nanny state. But I don't want a capitalist system.

Response: Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You want everything from the state. You want the state to take care of you. You want a nanny state so you can be protected and cared for.

Point three: Who are the ones that are saying that would ban the porn, who are the ones that approved a law that atheists can't work in public jobs in Tennesse or negate the existence of God in Vermont. Who are the ones that approved the law to consider a felony having six vibrators in home in Texas? Or the ban of oral sex in South Carolina? That are authoritarian things of the leftism? Or better said coming from the right. And just I've mentioned some of this laws that you have in many states. Absolutely intolerable laws that show how the government wants to control the people. That is fascism.

Response: Who wants to ban porn. Leftists women's groups for one. The rest is either the fantasy of a nitwit legislator or your fantasy. It's all bull(*)(*)(*)(*) but if you'd like to find a specific citation for even one of them we could discuss it. But, you're right. Life would be so much more simple for the simple-minded if there was a dictator at the head of an all-powerful state. Keep dreaming, Kilgram, but consider the purges.

But let's consider authoritarian. Who wants to dictate what people will be allowed to eat? Who seized a turkey and cheese sandwich packed by a mother and replaced it with chicken nuggest? Who sends SWAT with machine guns to a dairy farm and a food co-op to seize, gasp, raw milk. Who states they want to raise the price of energy dramatically? Of course, they don't say that it's so no one but the government can use energy. Who wants to do away with our rights enumerated in our Constitution? A right a speech free of government coercion, a right to freedom of religion, a right to be secure in your property, a right to be free from double jeopardy, a right to due process under the law? some of those are already gone, destroyed by liberals, and all the rest are on the list for extinction. The right to be freed from falkse imprisonment? It's gone.

Who is the one that needs help?

Response: You are, Kilgram, and on this forum the nanny state isn't there to help you.

And you are saying that Obama is racist, justify that.

Response: Okay. Who attended for twenty years a racist Black Liberation Theology church headed by Rev. Wright? Who called Reverend Wright a mentor? I don't take any of this to mean President Obama is a Christian but he is a racist. Then, off to college where he states he avoided white people and chose to align himself with radical black leftists and embrace the Critical Race Theory supporting racism. And then he became President and appointed judges who said they would make decisions based on personal empathy rather than the law. And the incident involve Professor Grey and the white police sergeant. President Obama, the brilliant one, said, "I don't know what happened but the police officer was wrong. This is an example of what black men face every day." Then, when he did know what had happened he had to find a way to wriggle out of his stupid, racist statement. Lastly, there is his memorable slap at his grandmother and how she, like all old white women, are afraid of black men. Then we have his working for ACORN, a racist, criminal conglomeration. Other than one speech that was laughable, one cannot find a single instance where President Obama, Senator Obama, or Mr. Obama did anything to reconcile the races and achieve racial equity and peace.

I have to remember you the fraud during the election of Bush of his brother in Florida?

Respone: I assume you mean the one where the Democrats, and their allies in the media, attempted to steal the election and failed. No, you don't have to remind me but you might need to learn something before you try to discuss it. I assume you remember the successful effort by the Democrats to disenfranchize the members of the military serving overseas? I assume you remember President Obama's approval of voter intimidation by the New Black Panter Party--racism?--but the complaint from Democrats that a police officer stopping to vote in uniform intimidated voters while he peacefully voted.

Ah, more fascist laws: In Orlando is forbidden give to eat to the poors outside. And also we can add the law H.R-347.[/QUOTE]

Response: You finally hit one I read about. Of course, you got it wrong but what more could be expected.
"Over the past week, twelve members of food activist group Food Not Bombs have been arrested in Orlando for giving free food to groups of homeless people in a downtown park. They were acting in defiance of a controversial city ordinance that mandates permits for groups distributing food to large groups in parks within two miles of City Hall."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/10/orlando-food-not-bombs-arrests_n_874840.html

But, rest assured, when your fascist nanny state comes into existence all behavior will be strictly regulated by the all-powerful state and it's Benevolent Leader.

 

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