The new fascism

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  1. countryboy

    countryboy Well-Known Member

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    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*).....
     
  2. countryboy

    countryboy Well-Known Member

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    You cannot make up alternate meanings for words. Of course, you can try, but it only makes you look silly. Anybody with half a brain can see through your charade. ;)
     
  3. kowalskil

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    Yes, inventing a new meaning to existing words is a big problem in many "debates." That why some people think the word "communism" stands for "heaven on earth" while others think it stands for "hell on earth."
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    Ludwik Kowalski
     
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    Nothing to say kilgram???

    Thought so.
     
  5. kilgram

    kilgram New Member

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    I didn't see that. And Obama for me could die now. For me is another (*)(*)(*)(*) American president. And yes, in some points he remembers me to the fascism. And? But he doesn't arrive to the level that conservatism can arrive.
     
  6. kilgram

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    Because I can comment whatever I want, and what America does have influence in the rest of the world for our disgrace.

    Ah, and saying that Obama is socialist is like saying that Zapatero(the president of Spain from the PSOE) is socialist. And both affirmations are ridiculous.
     
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    Trinnity Banned

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    Well, you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong.
     
  8. kilgram

    kilgram New Member

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    Illegal immigration is:

    - Ultranationalist isuue
    - Xenophobist/Racist issue

    Both.

    o_O and both are common in fascism o_O

    No, anarchism is against any authority, and I am anarchist.
     
  9. Trinnity

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    See my previous post-
     
  10. kilgram

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    How you can see I don't have any like for Obama. So in the future I would ask to don't attack me using the Obama argument, because will be a loss of time.

    And yes, I consider him relatively fascist in the next issues:

    - Political prisoners
    - International affairs
    - Corporativism

    The problem is that the conservatism never will finish in that points that I've mentioned. Even they would profundize in that.
     
  11. Trinnity

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    I wasn't attacking you, honey.
    Don't be overly sensitive.

    Besides, I don't attack people. It's against the TOS.
     
  12. kilgram

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    Ok. That is a misuse by my part of English.

    What I wanted to mean with this "attack". Is that don't use as an argument Obama trying to refute my arguments, because it will be useless.

    Now, better?
     
  13. venik

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    No, it isn't...

    If you come into a country, you don't pay taxes, and you benefit from their services. This is wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with nationalism or racism or authoritarianism. The government is there to *protect* rights, that is the one sole purpose it undoubtedly needs. If my taxes aren't going to citizens, then the right to property is being infringed. If the government allows a convicted murderer into the country because there is no wall on the border, that is an infringement on the right to body, by anyone who is threatened or harmed by the murderer.

    Think.
     
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    Yes, much better. :date: ROFL
     
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    No similar characteristic.fascists are ultranationalists ,while all true communists believe in internationalism just as their slogan reveals.Unite,all workers around the world!
     
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    Would you be welcome to having just anyone come into your home, abuse your personal property, take advantage of your rules of the house and undermine your sovereignty?

    Think about that before you answer.
     
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    My sovereignity? My home? LOL

    A country is not my home. Is not my land. Is nothing more than a place where I live. I don't have any extra right than the rest of the world.

    A house is not the same that the invented concept of a country, state and nation. All that are concepts to divide people and control the people. But that fascists enjoy a lot :-D
     
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    Sovereignty is merely another meaning for authority over territory. It doesn't have to be over 100 square miles to be your home.

    Yes it is. Someone comes into your home. Eats your food, uses your clothes, sleeps in your home. You paid for your home. You pay taxes on it. Everything there is yours and someone doesn't respect your right to property enough to abuse your sovereignty.

    What do you do about it?
     
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    Demagogic questions don't have answer. First point: My home is not the same that a country. No same rules.

    And second, who said that immigrants don't pay taxes? They pay, even the illegal ones. That is the greatest lie from the right, a xenophobist lie, a typical lie that the fascist parties say.
     
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    Trespassing is illegal. Going into a country without legal migration status is illegal. Both involve moving onto or into property which you are not authorized to be.

    Same rules apply. What would you do?

    It's not a lie. The notion of an illegal immigrant paying taxes is very stupid.

    First of all, if your income is off the books then you are not paying taxes at all.

    Secondly, their incomes are so low they wouldn't qualify for any tax bracket under the law at all. 40 percent of "legal" American's don't pay any income taxes. Unless you know of any illegal immigrants who are billionaires or Middle Class Americans.

    Sales taxes don't count because anyone illegal, legal or just migrating pays this type of tax through purchases and transactions.
     
  22. kilgram

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    Maybe they don't pay income taxes, or direct taxes. But USA receives most of the money from the indirect taxes, and there they pay like everybody.

    Again, a country is not the same that a house. A country is not my home, is nothing. Only a virtual concept.
     
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    Why would someone foreign have less of an idea about fascism than someone who is not ?

    Clearly such a statement comes from someone with a poor education.
     
  25. MissJonelyn

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    There really is no such thing as indirect taxes. You pay taxes through sales. You pay taxes through income. You pay taxes through corporations. You pay taxes through tariffs. You pay taxes through land and you pay taxes through death. Tariffs are the only indirect tax I have listed but that is paid through higher prices and not a "tax" so technically it is not an indirect tax.

    Now unless you know Middle Class or Billionaire illegal immigrant, they aren't paying any of those taxes except sales.

    It's not a virtual concept. Someone who abuses the system by being an illegal immigrant is no different than someone abusing your property rights and living under your roof. No one is authorized to be in the country without clearance just like no one is authorized to be in your home without permission. It doesn't matter if it's your home, car, backyard or front porch.

    Since you refuse to answer, I can only assume that you wouldn't do a thing to anyone who invades your home. This pretty much reflects your opinions on illegal immigration.
     

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