The new fascism

Another bull(*)(*)(*)(*) thread accusing others of "fascism", brought to you by the person who wants to abolish religion.

You people don't even know what fascism is.

Get a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing dictionary.

 

I am not so sure about the Tea Party being the opposite of authoritarian just because they present themselves as against the present authority.

It seems to me that what they want to do is to replace the present authority with one based on their particular ideology. I do not see this as anti-authoritarian in any way since they seem to be proponents of a particularly rigid ideological stance that would, necessarily, require a quite extensive exercise of authority to enact and uphold because so many are so vehemently opposed to their agenda.

 

I think this thread demonstrates that the two foreign morons have absolutely no clue about fascism or conservatism. I chalk it up to a poor education.

 

I know better than you think what it is. And abolish religion is bad?

Religion is an evil. An authoritarian thing. And mainly the organized religions like christianism, islam, jewism...

And yes, I would abolish religion with culture. It is not necessary to ban the religion, only changing the social system the religion would dissappear by itself.

And yes, fascism is the American conservatism, mainly the radical part of it like the Tea Party. Tea Party of today that any relation have with what in his beginning.

 

Illustrate me what is fascism or conservatism. XD

I see both ideological systems identic.

Let's see fascism, normally is a system that has the following characteristics:

- Strong nationalism
- Religion is very important
- Authoritarism
- Corporativism

What is conservatism:
- Strong nationalism
- Religion is very important
- Authoritarian
- Free market defender -> leads to corporativism
- Traditionalist

Well, I don't see differences.

 

The "foreign morons" quote scholarly papers by Americans who have studied what Fascism is, and is not. In addition we hav eread on the subject, and not from Gen Beck either.

Read before opening mouth for a change.


http://web.me.com/clubcarp/GermanyLearningPursuit/Resources_files/Five Stages of Fascism article.pdf

 

They want to downgrade the role of government, how in the hell do you get authoritarian out of that?

Conservatism is authoritarian? lol. True conservatives like ron paul hate the government.

Corporatism is a bi-product of big government, not free markets. How do you get corporatism from free markets? The very definition of free market is that there is competition in the marketplace.

 

Ron Paul is not conservative.

 

Rick Perry?
Michelle bachman?
Rick Scott?
Rand Paul?
Boehner?
Paul Ryan?
Scott Walker?
Glenn Beck?

These aren't conservatives? You think they are authoritarian by desiring a smaller government than 40% of gdp?

Actually, a better approach would be, what conservative wants a bigger government? Find me *one*. And if you think this is authoritarian, what the hell do you think the democrats are...who want a government *bigger* than 40% of GDP?

 

Michelle Bachman authoritarian
Rick Scott authoritarian
Glenn Beck, fuuu this one...
Boehner authoritarian

The others I don't know them, but I suppose that are similar to Rick Scott and Bachman.

Yes their ideas are very close to fascism, all them. So are what I'd call fascist.

 

Obviously, you have no idea what they stand for. What is authoritarian about them? I'm getting sick of asking this. Really, answer the question this time, or assume trolling identity.

 

Bachman: Incredibly religious. She wouldn't have problems in making USA a theocracy.
Ok Glenn Beck, at least in theory can be extracted from the list, but he shouldn't be considered as conservative, is closer to libertarian.

So I am not trolling. BUt now you can see my attack, or who are the fascists?

But in general in my opinion conservatism is a dangerous ideology and very close to fascism. There maybe are exceptions, but is an ideology that dangerously dances with the fascism.

 

Ah, yea I see it now, you're right...Shes a big government fascist!

You'd probably think anyone who goes to church desires a theocracy. As such I'm going to assume your argument that Bachman desires a theocracy, is simply a conspiracy theory and nothing more. All I ask is that you refrain from posting your conspiracy theories and instead post facts and rationality instead of baseless accusations.

 

Nice pamfletary article. But you need to read behind the lines, between lines. And analyze the consequences of her "supposed" freedom.

 

Not only are you wrong, but the only people who will buy into this bull(*)(*)(*)(*) are your Kool Aid drinking comrades.

Christianity is not evil, in fact it is the opposite of evil. Are there evil people who use Christianity as a tool? Of course there are. But not nearly as many as there are evil people who subscribe to a communist utopia. History bears this out. What has happened every time communism has been tried? Duh.....

Again, get a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing dictionary.

Yeah.....not exactly American conservatism, or Tea Party principles.

Words have meaning, you cannot simply make (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

Stop the disinformation campaign, it makes you look silly.

 

Well, according the dictionary fascism is a regime that opposes criticism, that often defends the racism and ultranationalist. Ooops this is to me much familiar to what is the Tea Party now and the American conservatism.

The religion is bad itself, because to have any religion you must leave to think for yourself and believe what says an authority, God. Then religion is always bad.

That in religion there will be good ideas, yes. But arrive to that ideas for yourself, not because a "superior authority" tells you so.

And institutionalized religion, it is, christianism is evil itself. I am tired of seing christian religious asking to ban behaviours that they don't like. WTF.

 

Let me guess, racist to you is someone who doesn't vote for a black president?

And if you, somehow, have evidence of tea party racists please let us know.

Regardless, there are racists on both side, I'd argue there are infinitely more on the left. They preach positive racism, like blacks are deserving of more freedom and handouts than anyone else. Openly.

 

Ah yes, I am not endowed with the intellect to see into a conspiracy which is not there. Perfect. Perfect argument! Flawless logic. I may think about switching my perspective now.

 

Dude, I realize English isn't your first language. But don't they have Spanish dictionaries?

WTF is right. Are you saying your side doesn't want to ban behaviors they don't like?

 

To Kilgram:

Fascism from conservatives??? LOL

Look at Obama if you want to find fascism. He's the one manipulating business with govt bailouts, risky loans and such. Did he not have the govt buy stock in GM?
And then GM paid back the loan with borrowed TARP money, so it looks like they paid it back, but in fact got a lower interest rate. What a fraud. That means they made a profit on the public bailout.
And the Obama admin has it's sticky hand in everything more and more with regulations.

Go fly a kite. Your post displays ignorance, misinformation, and an attempt to manipulate opinion by deceit.

What conservatives and America has to fear is the socialist party the dem party has become and the Marxist hard left within it.

Your posts have indicated to me approval of such an approach to govt in America.

If you live in Finland, why is it any of your business what we do in America anyway?

 

Racist is something asking to put walls in the frontier between America and Mexico. Racist is someone that asks harder laws against immigration.

Vote a black or not depends if his ideology is close to the yours or not. There was black people in the government of George Bush that I'd never vote them.

 

Well, that settles it. Apparently there are no dictionaries in Spain.

 

Yes there are. For me that are racist/xenophobist attitudes.

 

My side? No, my side is against any authority.

 

Illegal immigration is not a racist issue, it's a sovereign issue. They don't pay taxes, they use our school systems and education systems, and they broke and are breaking the law.

It has nothing to do with race, for god's sake I am a 6-7th generation mexican and I want the borders closed. My family came here legally.

You are merely looking for an excuse, using a talking point, to believe that your opponents are ideologues. Start thinking critically, please.