The "premise" of BLM

That has never stopped him before, I doubt it will stop him now.

 

WTF? Culture is part of a social system. Everything that is part of that system is "systemic" If you had any alternative to social cultures not being part of the social system you would have said WHAT without me asking.

Tell you the truth, I don't even understand WHY you are tap dancing around simple facts. And I am wondering if the answer has to do with the original statement you made that originated this whole discussion..

This is not about the whole story. Only in the part in which black people feel disproportionately mistreated, and the numbers CONFIRM their apprehension. If there were any part of "the story" that contradicted this, you would have told us what it is without me needing to ask.

Fact is simple: YOU presented a study that demonstrated disproportionate violence against black people, and now you are denying the conclusion of the study YOU presented. Whole story or not, this and DOZENS of other studies I presented ALL come to the same conclusion.

 

Black people don't ignore it. They wish they could, but they can't. And they won't until it changes. Steps have been taken in the right direction (thanks in no small part to BLM). Just about everywhere except states run by fascists, like Florida. But it's too soon to tell if the changes will endure. If somebody like Trump or DeSantis became President at some point, you can expect all progress to go back to zero.

 

Lets pretend for a minute that your words make sense. You provided 3 possible explanations for culture and economics. You said god, genetics, or systemic racism.

Which one created your culture?

Numbers do NOT confirm anything. That is my point. Numbers do not tell the whole story. If you look at the numbers of people tased, if blacks are tased more often than whites, that could be systemic racism, or it could be that blacks on the whole resist arrest more often. You refuse to look at any other possible reason other than systemic racism. Therein lies the fundamental weakness in your position. If 15 unarmed black people are shot and killed in a given year by police, while 15 unarmed white people are shot and killed, that does not automatically mean that this is systemic racism despite the reality that blacks are only 13% of the population.

Numbers do not tell you the whole story. There are nuances involved, just as there are nuances involved in why blacks commit 50% of all violent crimes.

 

Black Lives Matter. Yes, they do.

But not enough apparently, for those that support the slogan, to actually try and do something with their youth to redirect them away from violence, drugs, crime in general. Their basis is to protest the the end results, that the reasons that their youth encounter the conflicts that lead to arrest, and the unfortunate shootings by police.

And the cycle will continue, until the Black community steps up and does something for their youth. White people can't do it, they can only support those Black communities in their efforts.

 

No!!!! I mentioned God, genetics and the SYSTEM. But culture IS part of the social system. It's not two, three or four. It's only ONE. Unless you mention another option (your burden) "Systemic" means ANYTHING that is part of a system. Is your understanding of plain English the barrier here? Please tell me that it is, and not that you are trying to justify some extremist ideology.

And remember: YOU were the one who mentioned culture as the cause for the differences. I mention this because I can already see you again trying to tap dance away from your own arguments, like you did with the study that YOU brought up.

That's a terrible point because numbers DO confirm that the number of black people mistreated is disproportionate. Which is the WHOLE point of BLM. We're not talking about YOUR point. We are talking abut BLM's point. And numbers confirm they are right. WHY they are disproportionately mistreated is what you are now struggling to explain. But whatever explanation you come up with doesn't put a dent on the facts.

 

Whatever, label you apply, it is a fact that there are cultural differences between various races whether you are talking about whites, blacks, Asian or Hispanic. Most of these differences are good. In the case of blacks, they have created a negative cultural image. Whites did not create this image.

 

Our actual exchange was.... I said....."There are cultural/economic issues that we all recognize and acknowledge, but when it comes to police killing, the ONLY possibility that anyone on the left sees is pure systemic racism.."

Your response to that was..."Cultural/economic issues"? What a revelation! So you're saying it's the SYSTEM. Hmmm.... why didn't anybody think of that! You should write a book. You could call it something like... "Systemic Racism"."

Did you forget? In response to me saying the only thing you see is systemic racism, your response was that it is the system, and that I should call the book Systemic Racism.

Your entire existence on this board seems to be you gaslighting other people. It is silly. This is precisely why I typically avoid you. You go out of your way to be both intellectually dishonest and childish. I do not throw around the accusation of being intellectually dishonest very often. It is almost always with you, because that is the perfect description of how you debate.

Numbers do not tell you the whole story. They can confirm proportion, but they CANNOT confirm the reason. The only reason that you allow yourself to consider is systemic racism. BLM'S position is that they are victims of racism as evidenced by the numbers. Unfortunately, the numbers do not tell you the whole story. They do not and cannot explain why, and they most certainly do not serve as proof of systemic racism.

Why do those numbers not serve as proof of systemic racism? Because those numbers do not tell the whole story. They do not explain they why. In order to prove systemic racism, they why is a critical component of that calculation. Unfortunately, those numbers are incapable of telling you why.

 

Is it protocol? Sure. You being POSITIVE it is followed regardless of skin color is just as much of a questionable assumption as "John" believing he was the victim of racial prejudice.

 

What is meant is that black lives matter. Interpretations to the contrary are motivated by animus.

 

At this point, don't you have to be honest and recognize that the BLM organization is a graft generator for a very few beneficiaries that belies its arrogant marketing? If you can't address that, what is the point of creating a thread like this?

 

So is the flip side of this that what you're advocating here is a form of black supremacy then? Can you convince us that you aren't?

 

According to the police officer that I spoke with from the same city in which this happened, yes it IS protocol. I already said that. According to him, it is not even a gray area. They investigate EVERY possible occurence of domestic violence, ESPECIALLY now that a body cam is on at all times. The same thing happens when a child shows up to the ER with a black eye. These things are investigated thoroughly. They will get both parties alone and ask both for a description of what happened and if their stories do not line up, it becomes a much bigger issue.

 

Well, no they don't. Cherry picked and distorted interpretations suggest that; but the fact that nearly 80% of blacks are killed by other blacks counter balances that a bit. As does the minuscule number of unarmed blacks shot by cops. Most other REAL statistics also disprove your theory.

 

True. Until another part of the equation was added. All Lives Matter. That was called racist. Supposedly only said by white supremacists. That is when the term Black Lives Matter turned into only* Black Lives Matter.

 

Who, for example on the thread have ever suggested that black lives do not matter to us? Can you provide an example? I, for example, think all lives, regardless of race, gender blah blah blah, do in fact matter. Everyone of us. Can you tell us though, for the folks in BLM, why their own culture doesn't seem to matter to them? And if in fact, the purpose of the organization BLM is to simply grift and enhance their own income, what benefit to the minority they claim to be for do they bring? I cannot see any real value that BLM have provided. Locally, there are marches, they fundraise, and so far, locally, they don't have a track record of doing anything, really. Except they surely take donations. And of course, their leadership buy expensive houses, across the nation. Do you feel duped because you are a part of that?

 

A very astute observation.

 

The premise of black lives matter the organization was as a grift to enrich its controlling parties.
It did so, Patrice and her family made out gangbusters.

 

A hundred years of DNC creation, the negro and their culture will never improve until the real designers are cast out! The DNC will NEVER release the Negro from their welfare chains and dependence on government funding to live.

What’s Missing in the War on Poverty? | Cato Institute

 

Back in 2008 I had an incident where one of my neighbors must have called the cops because my 10 year old son was refusing to go to bed and had a meltdown. If you heard his meltdowns you'd understand why the cops were called. The cops spoke to the wife, kid and me separately and when they were done they hauled me away. To make a long story short, the charges were reduced from felonies to making a loud noise. But here's the thing, my lawyer told me that ever since OJ Simpson got away with beating his wife the police no longer want that embarrassment on their hands, so whenever they're called for a domestic issue someone is getting taken to the station.

 

I agree. Right, wrong, or otherwise, this is standard protocol when it comes to anything that even remotely hints at the possibility of domestic violence.

Undoubtedly, when this happens to a BLM supporter, they would swear they were a victim of systemic racism. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. When one is a hammer, EVERYTHING looks like a nail.

 

Whatever the original premise of blm, things quickly changed once they got notoriety. We've seen the videos of blm chanting in the streets how they want dead cops. We've seen the stories of cops being ambushed and murdered by blm in NYC, Dallas, LA, etc. We've seen the videos of blm thugs terrorizing people at restaurants or going into stores and demanding donations or free products just because they're blm.

blm can't hide what they ultimately are, thugs and fraudsters. To this day I haven't seen a single medical bill paid by blm, or a park or building rehabbed, or a scholarship funded. Besides their murders and thuggery, what I have seen are black people reaching out to blm for help and getting nothing, nada, zip, zilch.

The only thing blm has going for it is calling people racists if they disagree with them. Is anyone surprised?

 

BLM is, or was since they swindled millions of dollars, pushing a Communist agenda. Yeah, so **** them.

 

Can you define identity politics in a way that does not also apply to the right? I am not looking for an example, just a definition. I argue that human nature is systemic and I suspect that the right practice their own form of identity politics.

As for racism, I have heard compelling sociological arguments that at a subconscious level we are all a little bit racist. This ties into the fact that we are a tribal species and overwhelmingly operate on a subconscious level. Explicit racism is easy to see especially in those that are loud and proud about it. Yet racial biases that are implicit and exist in the subconscious we tend to be oblivious to. For example a friend of mine said he is not racist, but none of those Mexicans can drive worth a damn. Being Mexican is more a nationality than a race, but none the less the statement my friend made was certainly biased, although he was oblivious to his prejudice. Sadly we humans suck as detecting our own biases which gives us the illusion that we are more objective than we really are.

As for republican mottos or more specifically buzz words, I have a bone to pick with some of them as well. PC, cancel culture, wokeism, IP, snowflakes etc., apply to the right as well. If you disagree I challenge you to define the terms in a way that could not also be applied to the right. As human nature is systemic we tend to be guilty of doing that which we criticize others for doing. Self delusion is why we have trouble seeing in ourselves and our tribe that which we accuse others of. This gives rise to our double standards as it is much easier to see in others that which we are blind to in ourselves.

 

There are. It's part of the social system. And thereby the term "systemic racism"

Now is your opportunity to understand the term.