The traitor Snowden:

Maybe can you quote my use of an ad-hominem argument?

 

America considered China an enemy in 1900 when we invaded China, bombed & looted their capital city inorder to make China safe for opium merchants.

We attacked China again by sabotaging the Chang Kai Shek government and helping the Communists to take over.

We attacked China by supporting the war crazies in Japan,

Also attacked China with our "end of the world, Armageddon, 2nd coming" crazy pseudo Christian missionaries that led the Chinese into the war with Japan.

On top of that, our thoroughly rotten example of military aggression and mass slaughter as in the Philippines inspired the Japanese to copy us.
Millions perished in East Asia because of the USA.

 

The real traitors are those talking heads from the NSA who lied to congress about the scope of their activities.

Next in line on the traitor block are the weak kneed raging masses so scared (more than 10 years later) that they are willing to give up their rights and freedoms due to their fear of that bad Bin Laden.

Snowden is a hero to the people of the US and historians will remember him as such.

Bin Laden could not have dreamed for a better outcome. Over a decade later and most are still cowering in fear; willing to give up all their rights for a tiny bit more security.

What a pathetic joke of a country this has become.

 

I am always amazed with that naive wonderment by "US goverment is spying on us!111". Come on,people, Echelon was out there in 1980-th and yet you arel surprised that nobody gives a f*ck about your rights?

 

I'm amazed to see how many rights people are willing to give up for an Obama phone.

 

Let me say it this way: I don't have any idea what our soldiers are doing worldwide nor do I have any idea what our politicians are thinking about - if they are thinking at all. In case of Mr. Snowden I would suggest we should give him a german passport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr8d9sXioj4

 

1900, huh? That's some pretty old stuff. Here's something a bit more recent.

http://tech.mit.edu/V114/N27/china.27w.html

It stretches the bounds of plausibility to think that an Enemy (which I capitalize because the Constitution does) could be a "most favored nation".

 

You can't really give up what was given up 30 years ago. And now everybody pretend that it was Obama's fault. It wasn't.

 

Orwellian prediction. Hypocrisy as Policy.

 

Probably just an observation of Orwell's, which he predicted would spread to the then "free world". Most things "Orwellian" were in existance during his lifetime. He just foresaw the spreading of their evil globally.

 

Right..because Germany Gov doesnt have any security measures.., all gov's are the same there is nothing new here.

 

We are not paranoid. The Taliban are for example not a cause for the climate change. Nearly no German has any idea about what our soldiers are doing on what reason. They should come home. We hate it very much what's going on and how the political class is starting to betray us again. Neverthelless our governmant seem to be convinced they know something what we don't know. So the question is: Do they know really something what we don't know? I doubt about. I guess they are doing the nonsense they are doing on one reason only: because everyone in the world is doing nonsense on no reason to do so and Germany should waste money for nonsense instead to fight against the real enemy of the world - the current climate change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh4gUjdYl9M

 

And to add injury to the insult of being spied upon, the massive budgets of the NSA and CIA are helping bankrupt this country while China puts its money into building infrastructure.
http://lewrockwell.com/napolitano/napolitano108.html

 

You will be aware that the UK through GCHQ has been up to the same thing. I was hence interested to see yesterday when the Chancellor cut just about everything that one of the few things which was getting a rise was that

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jun/26/osborne-spending-review-cuts-departments

It is not just the US which needs to pay attention.

 

The Obama administration pursued efforts to ease tensions over Edward Snowden after more confrontational tactics failed to get Hong Kong and then Russia to return the leaker of U.S. surveillance secrets.

The administration is “having conversations with Russian government officials” to make its case for extraditing Snowden to face espionage charges, White House spokesman Jay Carney said yesterday. Snowden was last reported to be in limbo in the transit zone of a Moscow airport after initially fleeing from the U.S. to Hong Kong.

The case roiled international relations after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry this week warned China and Russia of “consequences” for their actions and ridiculed Snowden for choosing those countries “as assistants in his flight from justice because they’re such powerful bastions of Internet freedom.”

Kerry has since said that “we’re not looking for a confrontation.” Carney told reporters aboard Air Force One yesterday as President Barack Obama traveled to Africa that the administration agrees with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin “that we don’t want the situation to harm our relations.”

Putin has said he hopes Snowden’s case “won’t affect the business-like nature of our relations with the U.S.” and that the fugitive can’t be turned over because Russia and the U.S. don’t have an extradition treaty.
No Passport

Snowden “is a free man, and the sooner he selects his final destination, the better it will be both for us and for him,” Putin said on June 25 during a trip to Finland. “As a transit passenger, he has the right to buy a ticket and fly wherever he wants.”

That assumption was challenged when the Interfax news agency reported that Snowden can’t buy a ticket because the U.S. State Department revoked his passport.

State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell said yesterday in Washington that his department could issue a single-use document allowing Snowden’s return to the U.S. “That’s the kind of travel document we’re prepared to issue an individual accused of serious crimes,” Ventrell said.

Also in doubt was the choice of destinations other than the U.S. that might be available to Snowden, the former worker for government contractor Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corp. (BAH) who disclosed top-secret U.S. National Security Agency programs that collect phone and Internet data.

While Ecuador has said Snowden has requested asylum there, Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino said yesterday that his nation will take its time and will weigh risks to its trade relations with the U.S. before deciding the matter.
Assange’s Asylum

Julian Assange, founder of the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks and a Snowden supporter, has been holed up at Ecuador’s embassy in London for more than a year after the Latin American country granted him asylum.

“It took us two months to make the decision on the case of Assange, so do not expect us to make that decision sooner this time,” Patino said through a translator in Kuala Lumpur yesterday when asked how long his country will take to review Snowden’s bid.

Ventrell, the State Department spokesman, said on June 24 that the U.S. has “been in touch with Ecuador” and “we’ve made our point clear that, as I said, this is somebody who is wanted on criminal felony charges here in the United States and we’d like him returned to the United States to face justice.”

Ecuadorean exports to the U.S. fell to $1.01 billion in April from $1.14 billion a year earlier, according to U.S. Census data. Ecuador would lose at least 40,000 jobs if trade preferences that are about to expire aren’t renewed by the U.S. Congress, Ecuador’s Ambassador to the U.S. Nathalie Cely said last year.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...tion-seeks-to-ease-tensions-over-snowden.html

 

We are not a communist nation, and if you think we are, it's time to crack open some textbooks and get that education you've always wanted and needed.

It IS treason to give classified national intelligence to foreign governments. That's exactly how those foreign governments would view one of their own if they came here and gave us their classified information, except that person would simply disappear.

 

This is most certainly questioned

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/24/where_is_edward_snowden_glenn_greenwald

See also

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/22/snowden-espionage-charges

You need to start looking further into things rather than just slinging slogan type replies. It is your future which is at state.

 

Is that what Snowden did?

 

You hit the nail on head. The devil is in the details so to put a face on this monster consider:

Total military spending (TMS) was roughly 300 Billion when Bush took the helm. 8 years later TMS was over 900 Billion (this includes everything, Homeland security, Veterans Pensions and so on)

So where did this extra 600 Billion dollars go ? Into the pockets of Washington Insiders .. that's where.

Insider Trading is legal in Washington and the insiders know that the money has been allocated to various companies before it becomes public knowledge. They then invest in these companies and when the news that the contracts have been awarded hits the street the share price rises.

This form of insider trading is illegal for anyone else but in Washington it is business as usual and it is perfectly legal.

It is the best insider trading scam ever invented.

 

Certainly. He didn't just give it to the American people, he let the entire world know, including our enemies.

 

You too busy remonstrating against snowdon you miss the excellent torture techniques demonstrated where ever American forces are serving the assassination drones killing wedding parties then going back to the funerals and killing more destitute men women and children, the american way. the mass murder of innocents, ya bloody tube! And you want to talk about someone who has a set!
Get off you backside and just think what he has given up to protect you and your family.

I'd 10?t's.

Highlander

 

Dear Junkieturtle, America has adopted all 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto as International, national and local policy. We have zoning commissars that dictate to people as to where they can live and work. We have personal income tax, public schools, -- that's 3 of them. Shall we dig some more?
Our economic system is the most advanced Communist system in the world. We call it Capitalism where the CEO's (aka Commissars) rip off trillions of dollars and subsidize their wars.
America, since Lincoln and Marx pulled off the world's foremost Communist Revolution, has worked tirelessly to spread Communism around the world. Why if it were not for the USA, the Communist Revolution in Russia would not have occurred. America even invaded Russia to make sure the Communists won and stayed on the course prescribed for them.

If it is "treason" to give "classified" stuff to foreign nations, why is it OK for the USA to give its most advanced military junk to the Israelis? Why do we ignore how President Johnson worked knowingly with the Israelis to sink the USS Liberty with all hands so as to blame Egypt and nuke them.
Johnson even had nuclear armed bombers on their way to nuke Egypt when the Russians blew Johnson's cover story...........and "nature's God" kept the USS Liberty from sinking as the Israelis and the US government had planned.
Why do we ignore the Gulf of Tonkin fraud; The Kennedy Assassination and 9/11 and many other instances of so called public servants doing everything they can to subvert and harm America?

Maybe it is time to drop the inflammatory word "treason" and focus on what is really going on.

 

The enemy watching the news and learning the NSA has been spying on Americans is a far cry from personally giving the enemy classified information. Should the NY Times reporters be arrested for their story over ten years ago about the U.S. tracking Al-Qaeda's money?

 

He hasn't done anything to protect me and my family. If anything, his actions have made things even worse by destabilizing international relations that much more. My family and I know that anything we put on the internet is outside of our control and outside our rights to expect privacy. Therefore, we don't put things on the internet we don't want other people to see because it's not just the government who can access your information online.

 

Quite right that Americans don't know the difference between justified force/jailing/ use of authority and fascism.

It is just as true, though, that much of the socialist world doesn't know the difference between the government letting you use your own money according to your own moral code and the government ordering you to do whatever they want you to do with your own money.

Both systems are broken. There are two common denominators: the People, and the Government. So who do YOU think is at fault?