The traitor Snowden:

I had forgotten that the Washington Post had been involved in giving information. However that does not change that I have heard that US news outlets have been overwhelming presenting the picture of Snowden as the 'traitor'. There was talk of trying to prosecute Glen Greenwald of the Guardian, British not US and he was derided as not being a journalist for his part in publishing the story. Indeed it is on that that I see how strong the psychology of your either with us or against us as having permeated US thought particularly as this was done by a US journalist.

The Daily beast article is excellent and shows the care that Snowden took to make sure things are released in the manner which will fit his objective and ought to get rid of anyone still thinking 'traitor', unless you want to live in a police state, which from the AlJazeera prog I was watching about your treatment of Muslims after 9/11 looked pretty like it.

 

Would Saul be equally ballistic about Moses leading his people out of bondage? I imagine the Egyptians considered him a traitor.

 

Not much difference nowadays. During the Iraq war when US newspapers were daily presenting lies a Russian said that the only difference between news in the US and Russia was that in Russia the people knew it was propaganda whereas in the US the people believed it as the truth....

You simply are not the country you present yourselves as and believe yourselves to be. This is a wake up call.

 

I never said anything about the human rights situation in Russia or how authoritarian they are.. I never compared them to America in such terms either.. What I said I admired was their diplomatic patience in the faith of silly allegations and hypocrisy.

As for the USA, I won't consider it a free country or anything but authoritarian so long as innocents are locked up indefinitely without trial and tortured.

I also condemn the use of torture by Russian authorities.

 

Snowden is only considered traitorous by dumb hicks who don't understand that their own government is betraying their rights and by those same betrayers and their henchmen.

 

Isn't this more about how embarrassed the US government is because, yet again, it has been found out and is now stamping its feet in a fit of pique?
What is even more amusing is how outraged the right-wing is behaving-you know, those same people who hate the idea of Big Government intrusion into their lives, and never stop telling us about it? You couldn't make it up...

 

Fighting terror is not Evil, freedom comes with a cost bro and before you get all paniced consider that tap's have been in circulation for probebly 30-40 years in the US, internet 'spying" for well over a decade - yet no one disappeared into the night, ppl still hoarded Guns and ammunition, Pedophiles still had their porn sites, Nazis had their hate rallies and so on and so on....so please, if it helps in somewhat to fight terror - keep at it I say,

 

Really funny to see all the constitution thumpers supporting the guys who violated it .
Another proof that some people can only think what TV tells them to think .

 

You have never met or spoken to a fanatic did you ? you cant always control who and how much ppl hate you, sometimes you are simply as dark as ther side sees itself bright and pure - and in these cases simply living your live without bothering others wont do, Its hard to explain that to somene that never faced Fanatism, but its true that your freedom is truely under threat by some ppl and it wont help if you try to buy them off, they dont belive in anything earthly and willing to suffer greatly for the divine. the fact you can speak againt your own gov/country and accuse it of being authoritarian because it does what is needed to protect you is proof that it isnt.

And btw, you live on Earth, if your ideal country does not exist - its OK to be proud of your own country for doing the best it can.

 

The constitution written by the US founding Fathers? lets see, how would the Founding Fathers deal with Muslim terror in the US.........round up all Muslims in reservations and close the borders to Muslim immigaration most probebly.

Dont mistake healthy logic with insanity.

 

HAHA nice one !
So you say that to protect a country from "terrorists" you should destroy everything the country represents....but then you are not defending it , you are demolishing it. There is an easier way, commit ritual suicide so the "terrorists" have none to kill .

 

No, like I said, no Pedophile, Gun nutter, Nazi, UFO freak or other crazy conspirecy wierdo disappered into the night without a clue so the panic about "abusing our rights" is not justified, its been around for decades and no one got hurt while it did keep US safer.

 

riiight




all this data was only used for industrial espionage and no it is not a conspiracy .

 

What would the gov need with industrial espionage ? who bought the stocks the ppl that tapped the phones or their bosses ? that's not what the traitor said and ofc its conspiracy,

You need a drone in every street and a camera in every house to have 100% security, stop with the cheap demagogy please.

 

The government is spying for their sponsors , don't play the Chinese with me.
The Chechen bros rang all red bells every time they made an appearance in Russia and the Russians have informed US authorities about them yet they did nothing. And they did nothing because they don't care, all they care is to spy and gather data and use it to pimp out American industries.
It is no secret how echelon was used to spy the negotiations between a French airbus company and the Saudis so Boeing could get the job .

 

Well we can shot down the Fire Fighters as well, no matter how much money invested there the fires just keep on bursting, The Police? forget that, do they manage to stop crime? , all they do is work for the companies as well, Show me one Doctor that managed to stop ppl from getting sick! one! away with them as well...

If they fail once, hell, ill even give them 10 tries, 10 and the're out !! its all the the rich ppl fault!!



hey! it sure is fun to be a Socialist!!! giv'me giv'me giv'me!!!!!

 

pointless nonsense

Well, those spying on you are private companies who will sell data to the highest bidder , who the highest bidder may be?

Hey it sure is fun to be ignorant !!! it's a bliss!!!!

 

Another demonstration that extremist Capitalisim and neoZionism share the same goals of repressive state control.

 

Cheap excuse. Fighting terror is in lots of cases nothing else than terror itselve.

I'm a German. Should we break the sovereignity of the USA in the same way the USA is breaking our sovereignity continously?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LArGlfEVYqM

 

Just why is Snowden such a traitor? Can anyone argue that is primary purpose for releasing the information about NSA data monitoring INSIDE THE USA was not out of a true conviction that our civil liberties were being endangered? The government's response was to try and hunt him down and silence him, almost guaranteeing he would be driven into the arms of our enemies. Now, if he had known he would have a quick and public trial he might have faced the music, but with the example of Manning (just how long was he held without habeas corpus before going to trial?) Snowden was quite right to think that HIS civil liberties wouldn't be worth a thing.

Manning was a whiny self-important idiot who exposed real secrets (diplomatic correspondence and intelligence summaries) and can reasonably be called a traitor; does Snowden really fit that same profile? Maybe our main rivals didn't realize the full extent of our ability to spy on ourselves, but somehow I doubt it.

 

We don't really know all the reasons the US is collecting data but obviously it's uses could be diverse especially when we have US citizens saying bring it on to the idea droning its own.

The secrecy and the power that goes with that can also be seen in your example of the Tsarnaev bros - a whole town shut town. One brother killed and the other shot at when he is lying injured and unarmed in a boat, The US is giving up a lot of rights and liberties for it's fear.

The secrecy is of course what is being addressed by Snowden's information and if people believe a democracy should be a secret state.

whole article here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/19/fisa-court-oversight-process-secrecy

 

SNOWDEN in Vienna presser

"I also have proof on FBI involvement in JFK murder."

That will be why the Americans want him silenced !!!

 

Of course, I did not complain about him making it public and I criticized Obama's evisceration of the 4th Amendment.

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I possibly made a mistake on what you were saying for instance in this post

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What naivete!

If he were in the USA, he would be in a lockup (Gitmo, probably) with a taser prod up his butt that would be activated whenever he opened his mouth. He would NOT be making ANY kind of "case", and he would NEVER have a public trial, either.

The public would SEE nothing, HEAR nothing, KNOW nothing, which is exactly how many of the sheeple American public want it to be.