The traitor Snowden:

Why do alleged conservatives keep trying to convince us that providing for the general welfare includes any Thing and every Thing?

 

It's your BS & period.

Best Regards

Lobato1

 

Don't forget Facebook and ebay. They are using 911 to spy on you to get more taxes. I don't think that's what the Patriot Act was meant for.

 

Best Regards

Lobato1

 

& in your words not mine:

Just gotta be the sauce.

Sad.

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Lobato1

 

You don't know what your talking about.

 

After Ecuador rejected his asylum request, he made requests for asylum in a number of Western countries such as Iceland and Norway but only Russia is willing to take him in and it assured that he would not be handed over to US authorities. Russia may be the least favourable choice for Snowden because he could be called a traitor but he can never be safe in any other democratic countries which are likely to succumb to political pressure to hand him over.

 

Did he ask Germany? It's interesting for me to know wether our government said "no" on what reasons - because in this case we would perhaps need a new government or maybe even a completly new republic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9h7oB0TpLY

 

The question is not "were we at war". The constitutional criteria is "aid and comfort to an Enemy". The word war is nowhere to be found in that section defining treason. Russia was most definitely an enemy back then. So prove that Russia is currently an Enemy, quit dancing around the issue.

 

Got it: He asked Germany.

The countries he asked are (german names): Ecuador, Island, Österreich, Bolivien, Brasilien, China, Kuba, Finnland, Frankreich, Deutschland, Indien, Italien, Irland, die Niederlande, Nicaragua, Norwegen, Polen, Russland, Spanien, die Schweiz und Venezuela.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8YfjxLIejE

 

When it comes to choose between death and life Russia is favourably ok for him

 

Germany is - as far as I can see - also currently an enemy of the USA because the USA made it to an enemy of the USA. The USA has to stop immediatelly to try to create only a little pressure on any nation in the world that proves to give Mr. Snowden asylum. The USA has to take care about the own crimes what are forcing other nations to give one of their inhabitants asylum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWtNtO5ELQw

 

It's high time that democratic countries freed themselves from the US of AIPAC threats. It can't be too difficult, surely, to elect anti-American governments in the wake of current events ?

 

The only place on earth that could never succumb to US pressure is North Korea. It could be the last resort for him.

 

He'll stay quietly in the 'transit' lounge for the time being then. When sufficient leaks have been released things will change.

 

The persecution and vilification of Snowden must be seen in the wider context, namely the role of the state in furthuring corporate and financial interests. Until we get to grips with the reality that the purpose of the state is to work in tandem with these interests, we will never fully understand the reasons why it is whistleblowers like Snowden are regarded as traitors by the powerful.

The independent journalist Jonathan Cook makes the same point (via Facebook, June 26, 2013) that this is the real significance of the recent shocking revelations about surveillance:

"I've been saying since the first Snowden revelations about the NSA that the goal of all this mass surveillance is not to foil terrorism; it's to PREVENT ALL CHALLENGES TO, OR EFFORTS TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE, THE CORPORATE ELITES WHO ARE PLUNDERING OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE PLANET TO ENRICH THEMSELVES".

Cook quotes from a Guardian article which reveals that a UK police unit called the National Domestic Extremism Unit is monitoring 9,000 political activists:

"In recent years the unit is known to have focused its resources on spying on environmental campaigners, particularly those engaged in direct action and civil disobedience to protest against climate change."

Cook concludes:

"The tapping of our phone calls and internet activity is being used for exactly the same nefarious purposes: to ensure we remain either docile or intimidated as our political and financial elites grow ever more ostentatious in their depravity and corruption."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/25/undercover-police-domestic-extremism-unit

 

What should change? Do you expect an orgasm of Lady Liberty? The system of the USA is since a very long time now in such an unbelievable deep crisis that the Hawking-radiation of a black hole seems to be like a sun. The only dream of the USA seems to be might and money - whatever it costs - even if the whole world goes down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdeNwlJ44U

 

[MENTION=9227]alexa[/MENTION]

It's by the way also interesting to see how the political system of Germany is disqualifying itselve. Even if we would like to protect Mr. Snowden we could not do so. Ladies and gentlemen: Germany is dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inq3XPLA500

 

No, I wasn't expecting any advance in people interested in liberty and democracy in the US. It is indeed the saddest destruction of liberty by the people themselves being unable to see what they are enforcing.

Rather my feeling was that a time may come where a European country for instance might feel it the honourable thing to do.

Interestingly an article in the Guardian highlights the draconian laws the US has towards 'leakers' compared to the rest of the Western World.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/26/edward-snowden-espionage-act-charges

The US, despite saying it would not has certainly scared the hell out of countries in taking him in but even if he was captured and brought back to the States it will not stop his information coming out.

 

you spew is shot down.

Going back to my reply of Rand Paul's statement of:

"That are perceived still as enemies of ours,"


My Reference: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/23/rand-paul-snowden_n_3486455.html
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& that in your ignorance you decided was squat since obviously you don't read the news because we still have nuclear weapons aimed at each other & that are the subject of all those SALT negotiation re-newels to this very day between the Obama administration & Putin's government.

My Reference: http://search.yahoo.com/search?n=10...+Putin+"strategic+arms+limitation+treaty"&vs=
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Now what???

Sad.

Best Regards
Lobato1


Addendum:

Another reference on recent SALT violations by Russia dated today July 2, 2013: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/2/russias-arms-control-violations/

 

First off, you do not know that they are "dumping" the information. The whole point of creating a massive database is to store that information.

Second - "What the NSA is doing now" does not mean that they can not do more in the future as the technology to do so increases

Third- The NSA already lied to congress about what they were doing. Listening to peoples phone calls without a warrant is illegal.

Fourth - Spying, tracking, and keeping documentation on every citizen is what totalitarian dictatorship police states do. There is no guarantee that at some point in the future this information and these techniques will not be used for evil purposes. Power corrupts and this is a whole lot of power.

Fifth - The right to privacy and freedom of political association has not somehow decreased in importance because we have advanced technologically.

http://dailyreckoning.com/surveillance-has-changed-us/

 

Germany has been an occupied country since the end of WW1 at the very least.

Regarding the topic of this thread:

 

Really? Which foreign country was occupying it around 1934 to 1945?

 

The Askenazi elite controlled Germany through that time. Germany is still an occupied country.

The Nazis pretended to be German in order to seduce Germany into a suicidal war. After the war, the insiders behind it all bought up Germany very cheaply.

 

One man's opinion.

A single issue among many. On the other hand, there has been friendly cooperation with the Russians. Like this:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/20...dical-shift/mprN4HgqqUcYoxlgrWPcOP/story.html

So they tried to prevent an attack on the US? Doesn't sound like the actions of an enemy to me.

Your turn, lobatomy