There is no hope for Islam.

So you only want to talk to people who agrees with you? What the hell are you doing on a political forum?

 

Did I say anybody who disagree's with me? No, I didn't.

I said ignorant people. There are ignorant people who disagree with me, or ignorant people who agree with me.

It has nothing to do with you disagreeing with me and everuthing to do with you being ignorant

Salam

 

Oh then it was just a thinly veiled personnal attack...

You should try to control yourself, as it may hurt your overall reputation even more.

 

Because you made a statement that sort of unfairly characterized all Muslims. There are 1.5 billion of them. So how many do you know personally?

 

I don't need to secretly call you ignorant, your posts speak for themselves...

I don't think I have a bad rep on here. Do I?

Salam

 

LOL... The first one to verse in petty PA is losing the debate, don't you know?

Salami!

 

He doesn't have an overall reputation. He 's an Islamist.

 

I already responded to that question. My response was "Why ?" And as for you statement "you made a statement that sort of unfairly characterized all Muslims.", upon what do you base that charge ?

 

HA HA HA HA !!!!!! This is too funny. LOL.

 

What he really doesn't know is that debating about Islam is a losing cause for the Islamist. All the protectionists have to do is point to the Koran, quote it, and bingo, a smorgasboard of every vile behavior one could ever think of. The more he debates, the more he gives protectionists opportunity to expose all the evil of the Koran, and all the taqiyya foolishness they utter to try to cover it up.

OJLeb is like a boxer who, instead of leading with his left, he leads with his face.

 

PA?

I agree:

lmao

There's no evil in the Quran, just "protectionists" taking quotes purposefully out of context to try and prove their points. Something you do frequently.

So I thinks it's fair to say "Why?" = none/very few?

Salam

 

Personal attack. You called me ignorant, which is both a lie and a personal attack.

There is evil in the Quran just like there is evil in almost everything man use as a political justification. If the Quran was to be used only as a religious book and not as a political manifesto, we wouldn't even be having this discussion now.

The Bible was also used as a political manifesto before our society embraced secularism. But no such movement seem to be going on in the Islamic world. The only secular islamic society, Turkey, is losing it's secularism for the short term profit of Islamism.


Salam [/QUOTE]

Que la force soit avec toi

 

Que la force soit avec toi [/QUOTE]

Ohh... Well it wasn't a lie....

The Quran is a religious book, Islam is a way of life, and Sharia is a political system. Islam is more than just a religion. But there's no evil in the words, only as you said. There is evil ways man interprets the Quran. But how that is the fault of the Book or God or Muhammad (PBUH) doesn't seem to make sense.

Why is it so many non-Mulsims demand we reform out religion and secularize our religion? What right do any non-Muslims have to dictate how we follow our religion or live our lives? I think that's pretty arrogant.

Salam

 

It is truly pointless to talk to an Islamist, much less debate one. So my comment is for everyone else. When Islamist say "There's no evil in the Quran" one of 2 things may be happening :

1. They know there is a lot of evil in it, and they're lying. Or :

2. They are so deeply indoctrinated with this rubbish, that their definitions of "evil" actually don't include the Koran-advocated behaviors of genocide (killing non-Muslims), wife-beating, misogyny, kidnapping/slavery, pedophilia, robbery (as long as the victims are non-Muslims), rape, torture/mutilation, animal cruelty/killing, etc. Hard to believe that people could actually regard these things as morally OK, but it's true. That how deeply deranged they are.

 

Ohh... Well it wasn't a lie....

The Quran is a religious book, Islam is a way of life, and Sharia is a political system. Islam is more than just a religion. But there's no evil in the words, only as you said. There is evil ways man interprets the Quran. But how that is the fault of the Book or God or Muhammad (PBUH) doesn't seem to make sense.

Why is it so many non-Mulsims demand we reform out religion and secularize our religion? What right do any non-Muslims have to dictate how we follow our religion or live our lives? I think that's pretty arrogant.

Salam[/QUOTE]

HA HA HA. There's the old "Interpretation" defense again. Standard Islamapology. Yawn ********

What right do non-Muslims have to dictate how you follow your conjob masquerading as a religion ? Oh I guess we get that right from 270 million of us being killed by you uncivilized, barbaric savages, as well as all the millions of us who are being attacked socially, by all your Islamization.

 

Or 3. They are telling the truth because they follow the religion and no more about what it teaches than people who hate the religion... What a waste of time hating on a faith is...

I dunno who's deranged, the Muslim or the guy calling me an Islamist.

HA HA HA. There's the old "Interpretation" defense again. Standard Islamapology. Yawn ********

What right do non-Muslims have to dictate how you follow your conjob masquerading as a religion ? Oh I guess we get that right from 270 million of us being killed by you uncivilized, barbaric savages, as well as all the millions of us who are being attacked socially, by all your Islamization.[/QUOTE]

It gets used a lot because you misinterpret verses a lot. Don't blame me, look in the mirror. If the Islamophobes didn't do it so much I wouldn't bring it up so much.

270 million? Says who? Attacked socially? Are you a protectionist or just another paranoid bigot who doesn't like people different than them?

You say it's a waste of time arguining with an Islamist yet you keep replying lol... And you don't have an argument bro. You say the same thing post after post after post, with no proof no evidence no anything to back anything you say up, and expect to be taken seriously... Ya right.

Salam

 

It gets used a lot because you misinterpret verses a lot. Don't blame me, look in the mirror. If the Islamophobes didn't do it so much I wouldn't bring it up so much.

270 million? Says who? Attacked socially? Are you a protectionist or just another paranoid bigot who doesn't like people different than them?

You say it's a waste of time arguining with an Islamist yet you keep replying lol... And you don't have an argument bro. You say the same thing post after post after post, with no proof no evidence no anything to back anything you say up, and expect to be taken seriously... Ya right.

Salam [/QUOTE]

No need to wonder about it. We all know who the deranged one is > the Muslim guy.

Nobody is misinterpreting anything, and you know it, taqiyya boy. For example Koran 4:34 says "beat them". That's what it says. That's what it means. That's what a billion Muslim husbands do. There's no "interpretation" except as part of Muslims' typical con job talk, and we all know it. You're not fooling anybody.

"270 million". http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/

"Attacked socially ?" You heard right. it's called Islamization (AKA Stealth Jihad). Gee, you hadn't heard ? Pretending is a habit with you isn't it? I've only been talking about it to you for 3 months now. You'r awfully forgetful aren't you ?

OK here's some info for you to read about us being "attacked socially". And don't try your usual invalidation BS. We're all wise to that, and you have to read a book before you can try to invalidate it, and you haven't read ANY of these books, have you ?

1. They Must Be Stopped by Brigitte Gabriel

2. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) by Robert Spencer

3. Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer

4. Infiltration by Paul Sperry

5. The Day of Islam by Dr. Paul Williams

6. Sharia: the Threat to America by the Center for Security Policy

7. The Third Jihad (DVD) by Dr. Zuddhi Jasser

8. Muslim Mafia by P.David Gaubatz & Paul Sperry

As for proof, I have proof of EVERYTHING I've said. I challenge you to show one thing that I say that I can't prove. If you think you can find one, let's hear it.

 

4:34 says more than "beat them" actually and how do you know a billion Muslims beat women? Prove that.

Oh and who's "everybody" you talk about? I don't see anybody other than you and me going back and forth, repeating the same things over and over again... But who is this "everybody" and "we" and "all", and why am I trying to fool them again?

Ummmm do you have any sources that aren't obviously biased? Lol I wonder do you get your "facts" about Jews from neo-Nazis? No I haven't read any of those books not would I waste my time reading books for Islamophobic clowns who have nothing better to do but use fear to control their little fans like sheep... Seeing what those books have done to you, I'll pass.

Ohhh right "Stealth Jihad" is how the Muslim Brotherhood is taking over the world through America by slowly converting everybody to Islam and installing Sharia Law one city at a time until eventually all of America is Islamic because they really have nothing better to do and care for America so much...........

Prove Islam killed 270 000 000 million people. And no, the same Islamophobic article recycled throughout the Islamophobic internet community doesn't count as a reliable source... And also prove the Muslim Brotherhood is trying to take over the world and while you're at it prove that a billion Muslims beat their wives. Have fun.

Salam

 

1. Oh I was just saying that a bit off the cuff. Who knows how many, but one would think if hundreds of millions of Muslim husbands regard the Koran as their guidebook, and it DOES SAY "beat them", then there's evcery reason to believe that's what they do. What reason would there be to think they don't ?

2. You are invited to SHOW how any source I've provided is "biased" in any way (let alone obviously so) - and I've issued this challenge multiple times before. It's about time you accept it or stop saying my sources are biased.

3. I don't recall saying anything about Jews or Neo-Nazis.

4. The fact that you pass on reading the books which would educate you about Islamization is why you remain ignorant of it, and show it by using false words like "Islamaphobic", when there's no such thing.

5. I've already proved Islam killed 270 million people, in fact I think I provided the proof multiple times. You just refuse to accept it. Not my problem.

6. And no your typical invalidation tactic (outdated by 10 years) doesn't count as denial of a highly reliable source. Interesting how anything sent your way that you don't like, you just conveniently call it an unreliable source. HA HA. How about Wikipedia ? Reliable ? WikiIslam ? Reliable ?
How about CAIR ? CAIR accepts the Ali translation of the Koran and openly admits (in sura 4:34) that it says for husbands to beat their wives, an openly endorses it. Want to call your Muslim Brotherhood boys in CAIR unreliable too ?

7. Nobody has to prove that the Muslim Brotherhood is trying to take over the world. Why do you think they have established themselves in 80 countries - to sell girl scout cookies ? LOL. There's tons of quotes from MB leaders going back to 1928 talking about the goals of world domination. So what do you want me to do ? Present them all here for you while you play dumb, and pretend they don't exist ? Too much unnecessary work.
As for the Brotherhood's subversive goal in Europe, that is documented in the "Project" (Dec. 1982), and in North America in their "Explanatory Memorandum" (May 1991). Don't tell me you don't know of them, or I'll die laughing. Actually, I've posted the Explanatory Memorandum here in threads, to you before. You know about it.

PS - My challenge to you still stands (to show one thing that I say that I can't prove). I'm waiting.

 

1. I know it's a waste of my time posting this, but any way: http://www.ruqaiyyah.karoo.net/articles/beating.htm

2. Okay, name one of your sources.

3. My point was you don't ask a Nazi what he thinks about Jews to form your opinion. Same thing with Islam and Islamophobes.

4. The fact you say Islamophobic is a false word is pretty ignorant. Why would I waste my time "learning" to be afraid of Muslims?

5. No, I mean legit sources for this. Not the same recycled article used by the Islamophobic circus.

6. Where have you linked anything from Wikipedia and I'd like to see where you see CAIR promoting wife beating. WikiIslam is a joke, like JihadWatch and the rest of those sites. I can't believe you actually use those websites to support your argument...

7. Well why not? To say something like they are trying to take over the world without any proof is just... Stupid. If you actually looked at an unbiased source you would realize that project thing had no mention of the Muslim Brotherhood and that was an assumption by a journalist. Nice way to come up with a claim like the MB is trying to take over the world, an assumption from a journalist being the proof. What solid evidence lol... It's all speculation. See how much nonsense those books and websites give you? Lol...

8. I named 3 things. 1) Billions of Muslims beat their husbands. You're response was pretty much "oh my bad I meant millions". 2) Muslim Brotherhood is trying to take over the world. Your response was I don't need to prove it. And 3) Prove Islam has killed 270 000 000 people. Your response being I already did. You haven't proved anything you've said.

Salam

 

1. Name one of my sources ? I've already named them. OK, let's do it again. How about P.David Gaubatz and Paul Sperry and their book > Muslim Mafia .

2. No you don't ask a Nazi (one who seeks world domination) and so you don't ask an Islamist (one who seeks world domination). Same thing with Islam and Islamists.

3. The reason people would read protectionist books to learn about Islamization, and what there is to be afraid of, is the same reason why they would consult a weather report when a hurricane is on the way, or w news report about a contagious disease starting to spread around. So as to know how to defend yourself from it.

4. The sources provided for the 270 million people killed are legitimate sources. They are widely accepted and show millions of Google hits. Your invalidation tactic is silly and boring.

5. Why do you keep asking about things I've said and done ? Ar eyour brains falling out ? Can't you remember anything ? I'm getting tired of constantly having to repeat things for you, and to go look them up for you. You want to know where they are ? They're in this thread. Now go look them up, you lazy bum, and stop trying to put your work on me.

6. Wife beating is in Koran 4:34, including the watered down Ali versiojn which CAIR accepts, didn't you know ? CAIR also approves rape based on the Koran Ali version which authorizes men to have sex with their wives "in any manner, time, or place." It compares them to a field to be plowed > "Your wives are as a tilth unto you, so approach your tilth when or how you will".

7. So here you go again berating sources. As I've said before. I challenge you to SHOW one example of any source I've listed (WikiIslam, JihadWatch or any other) as being inaccurate in any way. So far, you produced no proof whatsoever of your baseless charges. Nothing but more hot air. And ever time you make the charges (and can't supply anything to back them up), it's a victory for me,further approving/confirming the VALIDITY of those sources.
So thank you for that. (although the sources are all very secure and don't need validating from a know-nothing named MR QUIZ ZERO. LOL)

8. Googling "the Project" produces almost 3 Million hits all related to the Muslim Brotherhood, and from all perspectives and corners of the world.
Some of the things you say are a laughingstock.

9. I didn't say "I meant millions", you said that. I've prove everything I've said, and being common knowledge, none of it ever even needed to be proved. Only thing that hasn't been proved is you proving that my sources are faulty. Waiting...waiting.........waiting..............

 

There is no help for hope for Islam, and there is no hope for OJLeb.

 

1. Take a look at their blogs, clearly anti-Islamic bias. Wonder why that is the only people bringing up stuff like this, the neutral folks don't seem to do it, only the clowns. Now let me guess, there are no neutral people right?

2. Way to miss the point completely. If you wouldn't ask a Nazi about News why would you an Islamophobes about Muslims?

3. Yes but diseases and hurricanes are real things. These are fairy tales. Do you keep a lookout for the Grinch during Christmas time too?

4. Lol what sources? Post your sources. Plural.

5. Um no they're not... You are avoiding to post the eh?

6. I thought you had a lot of quotes from CAIR. Let's see them.

7. Oh my God are you serious? Just look at the websites! The bias is extreme only a foolish person would actually consider them reliable... Seriously. All I need to back it up is for people to go onto those websites and see the websites and the info for themselves. They speak for themselves and only their little cult believes the crap they say. You are one of the herd.

8. Lol googling "The Project" is how I found out it was based on assumptions smart one.

9. Okay then prove the billions as you originally said. Again all I need to prove your sources are faulty is just naming your sources. It is common sense how blindly biased sites like Jihad Watch are and that bias take away any credibility a website like that would even have to begin with.

Salam

 

Actually... According to the sheep herders, it's actually the other way around. There is no hope for America because obviously the Muslim Brotherhood is too powerful to stop.

Enjoy living on fear of the boogeyman. Boo!

Lol

Salam

 

FALSE ! Just naming sources proves NOTHING. You have to show how the sources (ex. Robert Spencer) said something which was untrue or inaccurate. Thus far, you have not done that. Your number 7 item of this last post is another example of your hot air RHETORIC. No specific report indicated. No proper names of any people. No places. No organizations. You're not refuting anything. You're just spouting off your opinion, based on absolutely nothing (or at least nothing that you are showing here). So far the only assumption can be that you don't know of any inaccuracy or untruth spoken in JihadWatch or Act for America, or by Brigitte Gabriel or Robert Spencer or Paul Sperry or any source I've listed. Paul Sperry's book is 360 pages of hundreds of facts about radical Muslims infiltrating into the US Congress, the White House, the FBI, the US Military, Corporate America, etc. You think it's not reliable ? You think its extremely biased ? Then what brought you to that conclusion ? Have you even opened up the book ? Or Muslim Mafia ?
Or They Must Be Stopped ? Or Stealth Jihad ? Or any of the others. I do rely on books and their footnotes much more than websites, but i have gone to some websites too, and I have not found bias as you describe. To show bias, one would have to find false statements. I haven't found any. Have you ? If so, LET'S HEAR IT !!

As for quotes from CAIR, HA HA. The book Muslim Mafia has 52 pages of their internal documents xeroxed and published in the book, taken by undercover agents. Whole lot of quotes in there, dude. LOL. Read Baby, Read.