Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

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  1. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    Do you always answer questions with a question and then expect people to actually take you seriously?
     
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    No, I don't do that. Asked and answered.
    So did did I ask a question you can't answer?

    Try again: Has the CCP ever committed mass murder?
     
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    I think the CCP has a bad human rights record that everyone knows(forced concentration camps, one child policy(canceled in 2017) but still we do need to see evidence and proof beyond speculation without evidence(I've been guilty of that myself.) We're all upset about the situation we've inherited, but pointing fingers at each other hasn't been the solution. It's made things worse.
     
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    The CCP isolated Wuhan from the rest of China, but left the international airports open.

    The CCP ruled Chinese government has systematically murdered many 10s of millions of Chinese citizens.
    It is an aggressive pure totalitarian evil thing.
     
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    No, you did not answer the original question.
    That is a very bad debating and communications technique, to say the least.

    The original question from me was:

    You did not answer that question. Instead, you posed a question.

    You just wrote "asked and answered", but that is not true. Please do not write untruths.

    So, I will pose the question again:

    Did you just accuse the Chinese of premeditated murder?


    STRIKE 1.
     
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    Has the US ever committed mass murder ?
     
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    Apart from abortions, no.
     
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    I believe there are some native american tribes who would disagree.

    Also some folks in Vietnam...

    Also some black americans...

    Also some Iraqis...
     
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    While all of those tragedies are regretable to varying degrees, I regret the Vietnam War the most. What a meaningless blood bath that in the end, didn't accomplish anything. Vietnam to this day is still Communist, and the dead Americans are...for what exactly?

    There may be no greater strategic defeat for the US than the Cold War, in my opinion.
     
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    CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Ohio had six cases of the coronavirus in five counties in January, state Department of Health Director Dr. Amy Acton said Monday.

    The state data shows cases began Jan. 7 and Jan. 26 in Miami County, Jan. 13 in Montgomery, Jan. 18 in Richland, Jan. 20 in Summit and Jan. 27 in Warren.

    The state knows of the cases now only because of antibody testing, which will begin ramping up this week.

    All six cases are considered probable because the people have antibodies, but their cases can never be confirmed, said health department spokeswoman Melanie Amato. The patients were interviewed by their county health departments, who asked them when they felt sick.

    The dates listed are their best guesses. There’s no way to know whether the patients were asymptomatic for COVID-19 and just had a cold.

    “We rely on the local health department and the person that tested,” Amato said. “It’s all an interviewing process, when they felt cruddy and when they got it.”

    One person said they had traveled to California and one to Utah, she said. But health officials don’t know if they contracted the virus there. They will likely never know.

    Acton announced the new, probable cases in the statehouse news briefing Monday.

    “We actually have a new date of onset. We have found five cases now when the date of onset of symptoms was in January,” Acton said in the statehouse news briefing.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/news/2020/05/ohio-had-5-coronavirus-cases-in-january-says-health-director-dr-amy-acton.html?outputType=amp

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    As the article notes, not proof positive. However, these people obviously had the virus due to the presence of antibodies. Dialing cases back to early January in Ohio with people that had not traveled outside the country shows that it was probably here in December. If the antibody test combined with interviews is accepted as a valid tracking tool, we may find even earlier cases as antibody testing ramps up.
     
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    HERE the entire posting for EOD the day before, Sunday, 2020-05-010 (EOD GMT +0 - Greenwich = 20:00 EDT). Also here in a nutshell:


    During the run of the day on 2020-05-011, there were some intermittent reports:
    USA EOD report 2020-05-009, posted 2020-05-010, 10:30 GMT +2, #8502.
    Small Russia update, posted 2020-05-011, 10:50, #8503.
    The world goes over 4.2 million cases, 2020-05-011, 14:07, #8505.
    USA update, 2020-05-011, 17:54 GMT +2, #8519.


    COVID-19 worldwide statistics EOD Report for Monday, 2020-05-011 (GMT +0 - Greenwich = 20:00 EDT):

    ****4,252,325****
    +74,171 cases today over yesterday.
    287,137 COVID-19 deaths worldwide.
    1,008 Americans died from COVID-19.
    You can find confirmation of the statistics these reports at the WAYBACK MACHINE. Search for one day later than you want, then use the "yesterday" function at the top their large excel table.


    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD Worldwide 001  - excel table.png


    We saw +74,171 new cases, as compared the day before (+79,875), 5,704 less cases than the day before and the least amount of daily cases since Tuesday, 04-028. The growth rate was 1.78%. The day before, the growth rate was 1.95%. This is a fantastically low growth-rate, one I was hoping for on the downward slope to: 0.

    In terms of deaths: 287,137 total, +3,403 daily deaths over the day before, making for a 1.20% growth rate (yesterday: 1.25%). This was the smallest number of daily deaths worldwide since and almost exactly in line with Sunday 2020-05-003. The death rate decreased slightly to 6.75%. The day before, it was 6.79%.

    You can see on the screenshot of the excel-table that I have partially highlighted the 4 Mondays before yesterday (2020-05-011) and also two comparative numbers to the Sunday directly before. In the USA, this comparison shows a consistent pattern. Worldwide, it does not. In 4 of those 5 Mondays total, the number of daily cases went down over the Sunday directly before, the exception being Monday, 04-021. In 4 of those 5 Mondays, the number of daily deaths went sharply up compared to the Sunday directly before, the exception being yesterday (2020-05-011). This tells me that the end numbers for Tuesday, 2020-05-012 will be critical in determining whether 2020-05-011 was a pattern-glitch or whether we really are on a down-curve, which would be a very, very welcome thing.

    The % of recovered people rose from 35.67% yesterday to 35.91%. The % of recovered people across the world is more than double the % of recovered people in the USA.

    New function: weekly daily cases / daily deaths 7-day averages, from Monday through the Sunday of that week, calculated once per week. See the two new columns at the farmost right of the online table. This function will be extrapolated only for the Sunday reports (from Monday through Sunday). I won't be screenshotting them every day, but to keep you refreshed, for the last week:

    The 7-day new cases average (from 2020-05-004 through 2020-05-010) was 87,781 cases per day, starkly above the average from the week before.
    The 7-day new deaths average average (from 2020-05-004 through 2020-05-010) 5,084 deaths per day, slightly below the average from the week before.


    The countries with the most new cases:

    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD Worldwide 003  - new cases 001.png
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD Worldwide 003  - new cases 002.png

    Currently, and unsurprisingly, the USA leads with the most new cases and has been doing so for a long time, with Russia and Brasil 2nd and 3rd in the rankings. However, this time, Brasil did not report +10,000 cases or more. And India, which was ranked on 2020-05-010 4th - for the first time ever, moved to 5th, below the UK.

    54
    countries had +100 or more new cases, more than 1/4 of all nations in the world. The day before, it was 55. Of those 54, 15 countries had +1000 or more new cases; the day before, it was 16. Germany (+697) was not among them, but in a sign of the times, Belarus, for which I wrote a quick analysis on 2020-05-003, came in at +933; it was as +921 the day before.

    The countries with the most new daily deaths:
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD Worldwide 005 - new deaths 001.png

    The USA lead in deaths on 2020-05-011, followed by Brasil, UK and Mexico - the same top rankings as the day before. The death toll in the USA jumped from "only" +750 new deaths the day before to +1,008 on 2020-05-011.

    8 nations reported over +100 daily deaths (it was 9 the day before). 4 of those 4 countries are from the Americas. Neither Russia nor India had +100 or more daily deaths this time.

    Total deaths per country, descending:
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD Worldwide 004 - total deaths 001.png

    There are TWENTY-TWO nations with over +1,000 COVID-19 deaths to date. Indonesia (991) and Romania (982) will soon join that gruesome statistic.

    There are now 64 nations with 100 total deaths
    or more. That is almost 1/3 of all nations on the Earth. Australia, Bulgaria, Croatia and N. Macedonia will soon join this statistic.


    New: Total Tests administered per country, descending:
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD Worldwide 006 - total tests 001.png


    11 nations have administered more than 1 million tests. India has gone from having performed 189,111 tests one month ago to 1.6 million now and yet, look how low its tests-to-1-million-in-population number is. To be on par with the USA, India should have tested 4.5 times as many times as the USA, which would be 42,500,000 tests.
    Also, the number of tests that the USA is currently reporting corresponds the entire population of the state of MICHIGAN, just for perspective.

    However, in spite of a promise to be testing at least 250,000 people a day, the statistics from 2020-05-011, when compared to 2020-05-011, should an increase of only 175,330 new tests administered. This doesn't necessarily mean that 250,000 tests were not administered on 2020-05-011, perhaps not all were reported yet, which could also explain the large drop in case positives in the USA, which I will be reporting on in the USA EOD report.

    And now, on to the more expansive listing:

    Total cases per country, descending (500 cases or above):
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD Worldwide 002 - total cases 001.png
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD Worldwide 002 - total cases 002.png
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD Worldwide 002 - total cases 003.png
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD Worldwide 002 - total cases 004.png



    There are now 96 nations in the "thousand club, with Guatemala and DRC having crossed over the 1,000 line. El Salvador (968 ) and Latvia (946), Cyprus (901) and the Maldives (897) are up next to cross the 1,000 line in the next days. However, at the rate by which the Maldives is experiencing new cases, it may get there first.

    Of those 96, 44 are in the "10,000 club. Egypt (9,746) and Kuwait (9,286) are next up.

    Further, 10 of those 41 are at 100,000 or more (USA, Spain, Italy, France, Germany, the UK, Turkey, Russia, Brasil and Iran). It's going to be a while before Canada and Peru climb over China's practically stillstand statistic, but India, which is now ranked directly under China, will probably break 100,000 in the next day days, possibly a day or two before. Wait and see.

    To put these numbers into perspective:

    1.) the current number of worldwide confirmed COVID-19 cases worldwide (4.25 million) = between the populations of the states of Oklahoma and Oregon (USA), also the population of Rome (Italy).

    2.) The current number of people worldwide who are still sick with COVID-19 (2.44 million) = just under the population of San Juan, Puerto Rico (USA).

    3.) The current number of people worldwide who have recovered from COVID-19 (1.53 million) = the population of Rosario (Argentina) and is larger than the population of the entire state of Hawaii (USA).

    4.) The current number of worldwide deaths from COVID-19 (287,100) = slightly above the population of St. Paul, MN (USA) or Karlsruhe (Germany).

    Facit: on 2020-05-011 world came in halfway between the 4.2 and 4.3 million marks and will surely cross over 4.3 million today (2020-05-012)

    Now sllightly under +82,000 deaths, the USA is marching toward well over 100,000 COVID-19 deaths by the end of May, 2020, possibly as high as 130,000.

    Russia continues its extreme rapid ascent of total testing and COVID-19 positive cases. So is Brasil, which appears to have come out of nowhere. Also, India,Peru and Ecuador are suddenly experiencing large jumps in part of their statistics.

    The world-wide curve is verifiably logistical and on the very low end of the growth curve, which indicates a definite flattening. The very low growth rate in total cases is a good sign. Let's all hope it stays this way.

    -Stat
     
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    HERE the COVID-19 numbers for Sunday, 2020-05-010 in the USA (EOD = GMT +0).

    And now the COVID-19 numbers for Monday, 2020-05-011 in the USA (EOD = GMT +0):

    COVID-19 USA statistics EOD Report for Monday, 2020-05-011 (GMT +0 - Greenwich = 20:00 EDT):

    *1,385,384 (32.58% of the worldwide total)*
    +18,000 cases today over the day before (24.25% of the worldwide statistic).
    81,795 COVID-19 total deaths in the USA (28.49% of all worldwide deaths).
    Of them, 1,008 Americans died from COVID-19 on this day (29.62% of all daily deaths worldwide).
    262,225 have recovered, 1,041,814 are still sick.

    You can find confirmation of the statistics these reports at the WAYBACK MACHINE. Search for one day later than you want, then use the "yesterday" function at the top their large excel table.


    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD USA 001 - excel table.png

    You will notice that on the excel table, I highlighted the last 3 Mondays before yesterday, Monday, 2020-05-011, esp. daily cases and daily deaths, so you now have four Mondays to compare to each other and here we see a very specific and, very consistent inverse-pattern: all 4 Mondays reflected less daily cases than the Sunday directly before:

    (2020-05-011: -2,525 / 2020-05-004: -2,635 / 2020-04-027: -6,608 / 2020-04-020: -246)

    But at the same time those 4 Mondays all reflected more daily deaths than the Sunday directly before:

    (2020-05-011: +258 / 2020-05-004: +169 / 2020-04-027: +115 / 2020-04-020: +151).

    Furthermore, on the last 3 Tuesdays, you can see a jump from the Monday directly before in daily cases:

    (2020-05-012: N/A - in progress / 2020-05-005: +85 / 2020-04-028: +2,213 / 2020-04-021: +1,000)

    and a MASSIVE jump in daily deaths:

    (2020-05-012: N/A - in progress / 2020-05-005: +1,027 / 2020-04-028: +1,085 / 2020-04-021: +1,078).

    Yes, really, on the last three Tuesdays in a row, the daily death misery in the USA jumped in all three cases by over +1,000 deaths. This means that if recent past history is precedent, today (2020-05-012) will likely be a bad day for the USA in terms of daily deaths. In the fullness of time, I believe we will have all the facts as to why this statistic has remained so stabile.

    New function: weekly daily cases / daily deaths 7-day averages, from Monday through the Sunday of that week, calculated once per week. See the two new columns at the farmost right of the online table.

    The 7-day new cases average from last week (from 2020-05-004 through 2020-05-010) was 26,645 cases per day, under the average from the week before, in opposition to how the worldwide averages came out, yet another sign that the USA's case load is percentually less and less of the entire world's case-load.

    The 7-day new deaths average average from last week (from 2020-05-004 through 2020-05-010) was 1,741 deaths per day, slightly below the average from the week before.


    COVID-19 in the USA, by state, total cases, descending:
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD USA 002 - total cases 001.png
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD USA 002 - total cases 002.png


    COVID-19 in the US Territories (unsorted):

    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD USA 002 - total cases 003 - territories.png

    45 out of 50 states have over 1,000 confirmed COVID-19 cases.

    27 of those 45 plus the cases from Veterans affairs (11,163) now have more than 10,000 cases, with AL having crossed over the 10,000 case-line on 2020-05-011, so actually, it's 28. MS (9,674) is next to cross over the gruesome 10,000 line.

    The state of NY alone has more COVID-19 cases than any other nation in the world except the USA itself, of which NY is of course a part. NJ currently has more COVID-19 cases then either Turkey or Iran.

    The numbers in the veterans affairs division, the military, the Navajo Nations and in our federal prison system continue to rise at a truly alarming rate. The numbers in Puerto Rico (as state with roughly the population of Kentucky) have not risen hardly at all. Look at the total number of tests administered in that territory...

    COVID-19 in the USA, by state, new daily cases, descending:

    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD USA 003  - new cases 001.png
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD USA 003  - new cases 002.png

    4 states reported over +1,000 new cases on 2020-05-011, with VA just under the 1,000 line. The day before, it was 7.

    36
    states + DC reported more than +100 new cases.

    Only 1 state reported no cases at all: VT.

    COVID-19 in the USA, by state, top 25, total tests administered, descending:

    For seeing the number of tests, go to the WAYBACK MACHINE link at the top of the report.

    COVID-19 in the USA, by state, new daily deaths, descending:

    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD USA 005 - new deaths 001.png
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD USA 005 - new deaths 002.png


    NY led in daily deaths again, followed by MA. The daily deaths in NY are still down and account for only 18.95% of all daily deaths on this day, a very positive sign.

    NY and MY were also the only 2 states report that reported over 100 new deaths. The day before, it was also 2.

    33
    of 50 states reported at least one death. The day before, it was 38.


    COVID-19 in the USA, by state, total deaths, descending:
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD USA 004 - total deaths 001.png
    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD USA 004 - total deaths 002.png

    38 states have more than 100 deaths (at least) to mourn, with NE having crossed over the 100 line. AR will soon join that gruesome statistic.

    Of those 37, 15 states in the Union have a total of more than 1,000 COVID-19 deaths, just as the last three days before. CO (987) and WA (953) will soon join that gruesome list.

    With 27,003 total deaths at current, the state of NY has more deaths to mourn than every other COUNTRY on the Earth save the USA itself, UK and Spain. 3.5 times more people have died in the state of NY than in all of Germany.

    2020-05-011 was a good day in the USA, relatively speaking, but if you look at the write up under the excel-table above (a write-up to which I will be referring for the report for 2020-05-012), you will see that there is a sinus-curve pattern of daily cases and daily deaths and likely, 2020-05-012 will be on the hard upside of that.

    EXTRAPOLATION:

    On 2020-04-028, 14 days ago now, over two postings, I extrapolated that if we "only" had +1,400 US deaths per day until the end of May, 2020, then we would reach over 103,000 dead Americans at that time, before the summer even begins. In the days since and including 2020-04-028, we came in mostly over that "only". Now might be a good time to look at that new excel table again to see what the referenced time-frame looks like:

    2020-05-011 COVID-19 EOD USA 001 - excel table.png

    So, instead of "only" 19,600 extrapolated deaths (1,400 * 14 = 19,600) over 14 days (2020-04-028 through 2020-05-011), we had 24,998 actual deaths in that 14-day time-span, +5,398 deaths over the extrapolation. Now, that's less than the +5,790 from the day before and the +6,440 over the extrapolation from two days before, but still not enough to make a huge dent. Watch:

    Based on +5,398 deaths over the extrapolation to date, were absolutely no deaths to be reported in the USA for the next THREE days in a row (meaning, ZERO deaths on 2020-05-012, 013 and 014 - Tuesday through Thursday) in the USA and then, "only" +1,198 deaths were to be reported on 2020-05-015 (Friday), we would still be exactly on track to go from just under 82,000 deaths right now to over 103,000 deaths in the USA on the last day of May, which is 19 days from today. This simple math is horrifyingly unassailable. If the numbers spike again on 2020-05-012, as will likely be the case, then at the rate we are going, we will be at +100,000 deaths sooner than people realize, probably at least one week earlier than the end of May.

    Further, it is unreasonable to think that the deaths are simply going to stop just like turning off a spigot. Look at the current number of active (meaning: "still sick") cases in the USA: 1,041,814. At least 2-3% of those cases are people who are in serious condition, decidedly closer to death than to life, so let's take 2.5% as the mean: 26,046. Yesterday, that mean value was: 25,763. So, the extrapolation exercise is there to keep up sober in our thinking about what lies ahead. When the dying stops, it will not be immediate, but rather, on a slowly falling curve. And when that curve really starts to slope, we will all notice it.

    In the report for the day before, I wrote:

    So, we didn't come in over 82,000, but we are just under 82,000. Mondays really do show mixed results. Let's see what Tuesday brings.

    -Stat
     
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    For the tenth day in a row, Russia has reported more than +10,000 cases and for the first time, had more than +100 daily deaths:

    2020-05-012 COVID-19 RUSSIA update.png

    Today, 2020-05-012: +10,899.
    2020-05-011: +11,656
    2020-05-010: +11,012
    2020-05-009: +10,817
    2020-05-008: +10,699
    2020-05-007: +11,231
    2020-05-006: +10,559
    -------------------------------------------------
    2020-05-005: +10,102
    2020-05-004: +10,581
    2020-05-003, +10,633.


    That's 76,873 cases in one week (from 05-006 through 05-012). The USA usually reaches that total about every 2.5 to 3 days.

    Russia weekly average (05-006 through 05-012): 10,982 COVID-19 cases per day
    Russia weekly average (05-005 through 05-011): 10,868 COVID-19 cases per day
    Russia weekly average (05-004 through 05-010): 10,722 COVID-19 cases per day
    Russia weekly average (05-003 through 05-009): +10,660 COVID-19 cases per day


    So, you see, a shift of a weekly calculation by just one day (like a slide-ruler) shows an increased daily average.

    Russia is far closer to an average of 11,000 cases per day than 10,000 cases per day. Within one week, Russia is likely to go over +300,000 COVID-19 cases, and go over +450,000 cases at the end of May, 2020. Currently, Russia is rank 3 in the total number of COVID-19 cases, behind the USA and Spain:

    2020-05-012 COVID-19 RUSSIA update 002.png

    One month ago today, on 2020-04-012, Russia, then with 15,770 cases and 130 total deaths, was rank 16 in the total cases rankings:

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    For Russia, that's an almost 15-fold increase in cases and a 16-fold increase in total deaths in one month's time.

    Russia will soon surpass Spain, probably within the next 7 days, and then hold Rank 2 for a good, long time, I think.

    Also: death % comparison (total deaths / total confirmed cases):

    USA, right now: 5.90%
    Russia, right now: 0.90%

    That is an enormous disparity. One really does need to ask if Russia is reporting all COVID-19 deaths, or not.

    -Stat
     
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    Just as a general observation the more authoritarian the regime the less likely they are to report deaths IMO. We can even observe that in some of our own states.
     
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    It is extremely hard for me to believe, but this coming Thursday, 2020-05-014, this thread will be mathematically exactly two months old, from date to date (61 days). I started it at about 1 AM my time on 2020-03-015, which was about 8 PM on the East Coast of the USA on 2020-030-014, and my first report was for 2020-03-014. If you are counting weeks, this thead was 8 weeks old last Saturday. On 2020-05-014 and 015, I will be doing some comparisons to the OP that some of you may find to be very interesting.

    A lot has happened in 2 months in this world and also on this thread. Specifically, there has has been some truly outstanding reporting, debate, discourse, encouragement and humanity right here over these more than 340 pages of thread; frankly, some of the best discourse I've seen pretty much anywhere I've read here. I've quasi-befriended some people whom I had never met before and a couple of debating foes out of the past have also appeared on this thread and contributed some fine stuff.

    I am really, really, REALLY hoping that the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths will continue to fall until one day, this scourge is gone. There has never been a day where it was joyous for me to report a rise in numbers or where they happened. Each time I saw the deaths rise, I've literally felt sick to my stomach. So, please do not mistake my sober way of writing statistics for a lack of emotion. There is plenty of emotion on my part, but "we don't need raw emotions to be clouding our judgement", as a mentor of mine very often relayed to his pupils. His advice has guided me through all sorts of hard times and to him I owe a great debt of gratitude.

    But as long as COVID-19 is with us, I will continue to feed this thread with information with the hope that many of you will also do likewise. Soon, I will have less time to write so much in the daily reports, but it's my hope that by then, we will all have gotten into the habit of watching for the most important statistical signs of recovery or armageddon.

    Thanks to many people - of very differing persuasions - for adding a great deal of helpful data here on this thread. This has never been a Left-Right issue to me, nor will it ever be. It's a public health issue and every life counts.

    Many of you have reignited my hope of respectful and civil debate, even in hard times. Also, the mods and admin have done, in my opinion, an absolutely outstanding job of letting this thread flow with, I believe, minimal moderation necessary and will, I suspect, keep on doing just that. That is truly cool. One day, I suspect that some people will curl up with a mug of java and read through this thread and literally be amazed at how attentive and detail oriented people were. It's worth it to contribute: to speak up, to listen, to learn, to absorb material, to reflect, to sometimes adapt and above all else, to be truthful with the facts as they are.

    BIG. THUMBS. UP.

    -Stat
     
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    I would like to add a piece of important information about Montgomery, County, Ohio, where I was raised, went to school and also did my first college degree. We are talking about my stomping grounds, here...

    To your bolded statement: people from Dayton may not have travelled outside the country, but lots and lots and LOTS of truckers from all over the country go through Dayton, make stops at and eat in Dayton, are entertained in Dayton, ect.

    Dayton, OH (Montgomery County) is directly 10 travel minutes south of the crossing of two (by far) of the most travelled highways in the entire USA: I-70 (E-W, 2,151 miles from Baltimore to Utah) and I-75 (N-S, 1,786 miles, from the tip of Michigan to south of Tampa, FL) also with I-675 (the ring around the SW underbelly of Dayton), so Dayton is a very big transportation (spedition) hub, equal to or greater than the transportation hub I-70 (E-W), I-71 (N-NE S-SW) and I-270 (complete ring) in the capitol of Ohio, Columbus. Truck tire companies in Dayton are never hit by a recession, let me put it that way...

    2020-05-012 COVID-19 DAYTON and COLUMBUS.png

    Plus, a major military installation (Wright Patterson Air-Force base) is very close to the I-70 / I-675 interchange, a base with some of the most advance secret underground labaratories in the world. This is also the reason why Dayton has, officially, an "international" airport in Vandalia - so that one is extremely close to the I-70 / I-75 interchange, also to Route 40, also to I-675 and in a short amount of time, I-71. From the Dayton Int'l airport I can be at WPAB in 22 minutes by normal travel. This is also why there are lots of cheap flights to and from Dayton (Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Charlotte).

    So, being such a major (and often kind of unnoticed) spedition-hub, this is exactly the reason why Dayton was ground-zero in the opiod-crisis and among the most hard-hit spots in the nation, because drug dealers had an easy stop-off point to get their evil product out to the public. Well, if opiods can get to Dayton and environs so easily, then so can COVID-19.

    I bet very strongly that were one to test for COVID-19 on the most-used surfaces at truck-stops on I-70 and I-75 close to Dayton, they would find COVID-19 literally everywhere. Because if it's been in Dayton since January, then it had at least 7-9 weeks to spread pretty much unnoticed. And doubtless truckers played an unwitting role in all of this.

    -Stat
     
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    That we have.
     
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    One word: slavery.
     
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    Speaking before the Senate committee, Adm. Giroir has said that we will have 32-30 *MILLION* "point of care" COVID-19 tests PER MONTH available to the states within the next 3 months, and 12 million will be available (I suppose, for June) by the end of May. He said very specifically that 12 million swabs and 9.5 million tubes will be sent to the states by the end of this month.

    So, I am going to hold him to his word.

    And btw, Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) started off the session in a really fine way. He talked about what we will need to prepare for the next wave, perhaps for the next pandemic. It's one of the best starts to an open committee meeting (hearing) I have heard in a long time. Kudos to him for it. Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) did likewise, but he is the chairman, he sets the tone. And he did a damned good job of it this time.
     
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    Amazing how liberals hate the US. The Indian Wars were a clash of civilizations, I'm glad our side won. Tribes routinely massacred each other before we came. You prefer human rights under the Communists in Vietnam? Hundreds of thousands of Americans died to free slaves from their Democratic owners. Iraq was a mess but it wasn't mass murder, we went to great lengths to protect civilians as the expense of the lives of many US troops.
     
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    Follow the $$. Many of the LW lie narratives on U.S. "oppression" and faux victimhood of whomever dovetail nicely with appeals, ironically, to larger, more powerful central government... which translates into more $$ for the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex, more graft, higher taxes to "fix" all the (imaginary) social ills of "failures of capitalism."

    Somehow the causal chain between larger and more powerful governments and abusive government actions THROUGHOUT HISTORY, with tens of thousands of data points, never seems to gel. I give the benefit of the doubt that they are just stupid, but eh, who am I kidding, these are not good, well-meaning people who simply disagree, they are pathological liars, narcissists and sociopaths rationalizing theft and other violence... while they project their own decadent illnesses of the soul infinitely onto their betters.

    But it's really all about $$, this is irrefutably proven by how hilariously inconsistent they are. This Viral Moral Panic is a great example. Whatever enlarges and empowers central government, i.e. the Complex, i.e. all the PARASITES of the Complex, is mandatory, unlawful quarantine, abridgment of basic Constitutional rights. The VERY NEXT SECOND, they will be celebrating "Civil Rights" which somehow only applies to Complex dependents, bought and paid for blocs of voters and related Complex parasites. No consistency whatsoever, and examples emerge daily. Will be hilarity embodied when the SNOWBALL of emergent civil litigation forms over the next few months, all of it placing irrevocably AUTHORITARIAN Democrat governments on the side of Jim Crow. That's right, court cases where Democrats argue FOR Jim Crow and against Civil Rights, coming irrefutably to courthouses near you in 2020-2021 and after.

    Transparent, and my theory is that the centrist taxpayer voters of the non-government dependent private sector have had about a snootfull of the MOUNTAINS of Complex lies and self-serving hypocrisy. November could become a result in the U.S. that shuts down the Complex for decades... or if the Soprano Complex prints enough fraudulent ballots? Hits the right keys with their rotten MSM propaganda? Who knows? Stay tuned. I was wrong about Trump, thought the U.S. voting public was too far gone, but surprise, surprise! what a blessing my error turned out to be for the beleaguered Constitutional Republic!
     
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    The CCP has been a totalitarian genocidal curse on China and its people. That means that the CCP has also been a totalitarian genocidal curse on the human race. For some reason the world tries to forget the great crimes against humanity.

    “Mao Zedong, founder of the People's Republic of China, qualifies as the greatest mass murderer in world history, an expert who had unprecedented access to official Communist Party archives said yesterday.

    Speaking at The Independent Woodstock Literary Festival, Frank Dikötter, a Hong Kong-based historian, said he found that during the time that Mao was enforcing the Great Leap Forward in 1958, in an effort to catch up with the economy of the Western world, he was responsible for overseeing "one of the worst catastrophes the world has ever known".

    Mr Dikötter, who has been studying Chinese rural history from 1958 to 1962, when the nation was facing a famine, compared the systematic torture, brutality, starvation and killing of Chinese peasants to the Second World War in its magnitude. At least 45 million people were worked, starved or beaten to death in China over these four years; the worldwide death toll of the Second World War was 55 million.”
    THE INDEPENDENT, Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years', By Arifa Akbar,17 September 2010.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html
     
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    Wounded knee and a few other massacres of American Indians might make the list.
    I cannot think of any instance when mass murder was an approved policy of the USG.
    Slavery has always been a great crime against humanity, but the objective of slavery is not mass murder.
     
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    There you go again confusing the "Chinese" with the CCP. Think it through - please.

    The CCP has been guilty of premeditated mass murder on a grand scale throughout its history.
    The CCP will be remembered as one of history's great Murder Machines.
     
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    This is definitely good news and development. And while as the President said, further and further numbers "make us look bad", knowing the extent of the damage is vital for understanding just how close or far we are from herd immunity.
     
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