Trump ordered US drone strike that killed Iran general Qassem Suleimani

Exactly. And I would add that Soleimani has been on a mass killing spree for decades.

 

In what way? That are ever present actions in the Middle East causes groups to unite? That we have killed thousands of innocents just to get a handful of people? That we only try diplomacy to the countries that do business with us? It is not the president it is just the same old tired policy. You do realize Iraq has the potential to become an enemy again. How so just ask me

 

Claiming "I have been through this before" - is not an argument for anything and further - if this had been the case you were not able to support your claim - because your claim is abject nonsense - the Standard Establishment Propaganda false narrative.

 

Reread your post.

 

I’ve made the argument in detail many times and have summarized it again in this thread.

 

The lessons of history were ignored by Obama with tragic results. That’s not a fantasy but tragic reality.

 

I'd like to hear more about how they knew another attack on Americans or our allies was imminent. Iran has no business in Iraq, granted, but does the USA?

 

You can’t say but you say so how big of you

 

It's telling that in 2007 a member of the British labour party (the equivalent of the Democrats) stopped a planned SAS strike on Soleimani.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...given-no-advance-warning-us-strike-soleimani/

 

Yes - he has been busy killing ISIS.

 

Which part is a 'revision'? The part that contradicts the partisan propaganda narratives you are accustomed to repeating? Anyway, 'revisions' are written after an event. Here is an account from 2007 that should help give you a clue.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection
The Redirection

This was before many of the events alluded to as being planned actual occurred and before Saudi Arabia's tacit alliance with Israel became public.

You can also this among many reports from 2008, when Bush was the president, talking about Iran's influence in Iraq.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/how-the-iraq-war-has-empowered-iran/
How the Iraq War Has Empowered Iran

 

I am sorry LoneStarGal that is obviously what the US was putting out believing it could justify its actions with that. I hear they have provided no basis for these allegations. I find the idea of him plotting a major attack on US facilities and workers in several countries a bit rich. I'll see if I can find the information I found last night which was suggersting motivation (and I have forgot). Basically people are calling the actions of the US an act of war - though previous to that they believed your sanctions of them were also an act of war and I think also torture. Sanctions hit poor and sick civilians the worst.

While I accept that the UN is not the 'boss of us' it will not help the US to have world opinion moving further and further away from it. You may like that. Lets see in five years where it takes you. I genuinely believe the US has lost the plot.

In any case it looks like the US will be forced to leave the ME because of this. That probably would be good enough closure for Iran but may take too long for the population to wait so they may have to do something else. I will say again what Jeremy Hunt said - this is a dangerous game of chicken and the US knew that Iran would have to reply before it did it.

 

In what way. I didn't see any reason given for it. David Miliband was a Blairite. I doubt it was a 'leftist' reason.

 

I know I'm going off the topic and I apologize for it, but saying that Christians want to kill gays, is a means used by the homosexual cult to take away people's religious rights which is guaranteed by our Constitution. For a Christian to want to kill is an oxymoron since it runs contrary to Christian beliefs. This doesn't mean that killings by Christians doesn't occur - of course they do, but it would be through ignorance and/or necessity and not through a willful intent.

So unless a homosexual takes out his gun or knife and tries to attack a Christian, there's no way he's going to get the Christian to kill him, no matter how much provocation the Christian has to endure - something we've seen lately with the baker who refused a wedding cake to a homosexual couple, and has suffered lawsuit after lawsuit to retain his integrity.

 

The funny part is if Iran miraculously decides not to kill Americans they will gain the advantage. This administration will find another reason to strike. It wasn’t the foreign ship getting bombed it was a protest and an accusation not yet proven. If we really think bombing their oil fields will cause them to cower the idiots have no grasp of their culture nor human nature. Just because it’s about money to us has no real merit in the understanding of people with weapons whose back are against the wall. Iraq won’t be our staging ground they will be forced to decide who they fear more a country at war against their neighbor or their neighbor who you because of your ally now is a threat. And at the end of it all do we honestly believe regime change can happen in a country where innocents will be killed by stray bombs?

 

But killing gays was promoted by US Christian groups in multiple countries. You have powerful groups even saying death to all Muslims to this day. It’s not a stretch. And he’ll you have Israel an ally of Christianity promoting pre emotive strikes. And history and today’s news see a lot of killing of gay a trans people in the name of Gods law interpreted by a sinful humanity. And it is not off topic it is an understanding of why this war will be justified because of the beliefs people hold dear. It’s a root cause and your right on point.

 

I didn't say Christians. I said Christians of his ilk. Chris Hedges who I said confirmed this is himself an Ordained Minister. He does not believe these people are what he knows Christianity to be and believes they want a Theocratic Christian State in the US and indeed world - if they haven't finished it off with Armageddon first.

Sorry you do not talk for all people who call themselves Christian. Besides many Christians have a cruel position towards gay people. By the way Chris Hedges spent 2 years lurking among these people. He knows what they are like first hand and you have them in your government waiting for power - and they do indeed get the vote of a lot of Christians who think ' Christian oh good' and do not know who they are giving power to. American's tell me if the US moves to fascism which they think it will and which will be different from other fascisms as they all are, but if the US moves to fascism the ideology it will use will be the Christian Right and very soon Gays and others will be in trouble. Hedges believes some of the first people they will come after are genuine Christians like him. The future for the US may very easily be a theocratic fascist state with as much tolerance for other opinions as ISIS. It is that bad.

 

You're sure about that, are ya?

"There is overwhelming support—92 percent—for the continued development of ballistic missiles, and 61 percent of Iranians believe that developing more advanced ballistic missiles decreases the risk of a foreign attack, making Iranians safer. There was also overwhelming support for Iran’s foreign military activities, with some 61 percent saying they believed Iran should keep its military in Syria and 48 percent expressing confidence that Iran can solve its problems by becoming the most powerful country in the region."​

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/25/trump-iran-america-opinion-poll-nuclear/​

You could learn more...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6518789-Iranian-PO-Under-Maximum-Pressure-101619-UMD.html#document/p1​

... but you won't, of course.

 

I hope so. We should have pulled out years ago and just let the Shia's and Sunni's kill each other like they were doing before we started the "War on Terror".

The troop bases scattered around Iraq and Syria are likely to become soft targets for an Iranian response. If Trump pulled our troops out now (instead of sending more in) then what would Iran do? Doesn't look like that will happen. The Pentagon and too many in our military intelligence agencies want to topple another government and force regime change. There's too much pressure from the "experts" in Washington for Trump to keep his promise to get us out of endless wars.

The world is just waiting and watching right now to see what happens next.

 

The Labour party and the Democrats are not particularly equivalent at all. The British Labour party founded the British National Health Service but as far as I am aware there is no equivalent in America either under the Democrats or the Republicans where many would see such a thing as the dreaded communism.

 

If a person professes to be a Christian but has pagan beliefs, then how can they be a Christian? Our government is controlled by pagans - or satan, whichever you prefer and it's unfortunate for us and the world.

 

...as yours are impenetrable....

....again I've no idea what that means....but hey moving on. Do you recall I posed a question to you? I just wondered if by any stretch of the imagination you'd comprehended and mulled it over and were ready to present your mullings to the world?

 

Jeanette I agree somewhat but it’s controlled by the opportunist that knows how to control faith. I’m a Christian but long have I disapproved of Christianity. It has allowed people for their own personal gain to destroy the teachings. It has gone from thou shall not kill to yea we can if they are gay, if a different religion, if they don’t want us in their country, if they are black ( recent history). God says we are sheep and he is our Shepard yet he gave us the ability to become rams but as a majority we have stayed sheep not to God but to man and noticeably to white men

 

Please stop! You're killing us.

 

Or this winner from you: "Blockades of Germany’s ports and naval bases lead to regime change in Nazi Germany."