Trump promises border wall 'soon, way ahead of schedule'

You miss the point and a bit of reality Yes, we spent a lot on the "Current" economy, but was the "SO CALLED" cure better than the assumptive disaster? Much argument can be levied on both sides of equation as to a simply reset would have been the worst of it or complete collapse of the economy. After some research as to how and where the 1st stimulus was distributed and what "little" it really accomplished I believe the whole scenario was cooked up to fill the pockets of Obarry backers!

So what do we have today for all that money spent under Obarry, we can argue all day long Job creation and although we will disagree feverishly the 'NUMBER OF" apposed to "TYPE OF"! As a sensible person I don't dispute the number of jobs created but I do challenge the "Quality", again most will not take the time to research and refuse to take note of the continued dwindling of manufacturing, energy production, refineries, mining along with some of the most neglected infrastructure of any 1st world country!

The economy under Obama, Again libby's will argue it's wonderful but reality is Obama's recover will be very lucky to make a 1.7% average over his time in office!

Sorry I went off on a tangent, what I'm trying to stress is how ridiculous it is to try and argue expenditure and justification when our last President ballooned our debt to a level where it is now bleeding 7% of our yearly budget 432 billion (And Climbing) just to pay off the interest! How can any sane person in this country complain about a $40 billion wall or the equivalent of 30 days of U.S. expenditure on debt and then with a straight face even mention the words expenditure and justified in the same sentence and ever shave again

 

Oh Really?
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Trump will not run.
If Trump runs, he will not win any primaries.
Even if Trump wins primaries, he will never be the front runner.
Even if Trump is the front runner, he will never win the nomination.
Even if Trump wins the nomination, he will never win the election.
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Even if Trump wins the election, he will never build the wall.
Even if Trump builds the wall, he will never be re-elected.

 

As long as the American TAXPAYERS continues to supplement the DR Congo Monetarily to the tune of $168 million in 2016 alone maybe it would be wise to let U.S. citizens hash this out and let the people of the DR Congo just continue to be grateful they are blessed with such a generous nation that doesn't ask a thing of them in return!

 

False. It is ALWAYS appropriate to justify expenditures.


And, the expenditures under Obama DID get justified - TARP, the ACA, military spending, the steep increase in border spending, etc. - these all got significant examination.

But, that really makes no difference, as flushing tens of billions of our tax dollars on a stupid boondogle is never OK and deserves our resistence.

 

That failed to address anything I have posted.

My point is that the expenditure can not be justified.

 

You replied to me that Trump's plan to build the wall was a joke.

His detractors have claimed this about every step in his path:

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Trump will not run.
If Trump runs, he will not win any primaries.
Even if Trump wins primaries, he will never be the front runner.
Even if Trump is the front runner, he will never win the nomination.
Even if Trump wins the nomination, he will never win the election.
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Even if Trump wins the election, he will never build the wall.
Even if Trump builds the wall, he will never be re-elected.

Your point was squarely addressed, and landed in the upper deck.

 

How are you going to say that when there is no way to know exactly how many illegals there are in US. If you identify one illegal how do you know there aren't 10 more that are identified? It isn't like they wear a sign around their neck to say, "Hey I am an illegal."

 

I am saying that there is no possible justification for adding tens of billions to the billions we already dpend on that border.

 

There are federal and private groups that study this.

There are a number of approaches, including monitoring services, examining census data, studying employment data, studying housing, etc.

Beyond that, the real issue in this case is whether the number is rising. It doesn't take an exact head count to know whether the number is changing. Strong approaches will have some error rate, somewhat like polls do. If there is any signigicant growth it will show up.

 

Really! Solve this then, and back thru your entries on this site and produce six where you have condemned Obama and Democrats for the ballooning debt and your outrage about how much the debt is costing America!

flushing tens of billions of our tax dollars on a stupid boondogle is never OK
Like I say, if all that gets done is five atop six, four atop five, three atop four, two atop three and one atop two and they paid some block layer and his hod carrier that will be better money spent then the 1.1 billion the interest gobbled up for the day



I'll check back!

 

How's that go? So now there are groups of people with clipboards going from Barrio to Barrio surveying people living underground lives asking if they are legal, how long have they been here, did they come alone, if not how many was in their party, when did they entered the country illegally!

Oh ya, I'm sure these numbers are going to be accurate

 

Well there is something good to be said about consistency!

 

None of those studies or monitoring services can be guaranteed correct. The significant growth won't show up till the next census which will be in 2020, even then it won't be a solid guarantee.

 

The debt comes from congress.

And, your idea that all past expenditures must be justified before current expenditures are justified is just flat out stupid.

So, leave if you want, but the bottom line here is that there is no way to justify the expense of the envisioned wall.

 

It's great fun watching liberal leftists suddenly turning into fiscal coservatives when there is talk about building a barrier to thwart the southern invasion.......which , of course, costs taxpayers billions of dollars in social services......

 

He killing tis and restart building ten about 20-25 days he quit Job to democrat pickup perez.

And get this wall with new president catholic perez and with perez preasure to his former land.

Well.

 

The census is only one of many sources.

Besides, you seem to be arguing that since you doubt the number, we should spend tens of billions.

But, Even if the number is increasing (against all evidence) there are cheaper approaches, including those of the bi-partisan immigration reform bill that passed the Senate and would have passed the aHouse if Boehner had not blocked it.

 

The wall does nothing about expenditures for those here.

You have to show the number is growing. But, evidence says it is not growing at all, let alone enough to justify tens of billions of tax dollars.

Even then, the wall would be an unjustifiable choice of solution.

 

And new democrat leader willing only 15=20=25 % across America and Mexico the South border wall ?!

Maybe whole South California ?!

 

The wall addresses NO expense of those here.

Obviously.

 

Yes. Consistently wrong can be a valuable reverse indicator!

 

In your opinion.......and you know what they say about opinions

 

No, my statement did not depend on opinion in ANY way.

It's just a fact.

The wall does nothing to lower the cost of those here. So, the number here today can NOT be part of the justification. If those here cost us a trillion dollars it still wouldn't justify a wall.

The wall is a way of reducing NEW ARRIVALS, but there isn't evidence that the number of undocumented aliens in America is increasing.

 

How is a bill going to block illegals from entering?

How much would you be willing to spend to keep illegals out? How much would the families who lost loved ones think the government should pay? How much is each illegal costing the USA, even the ones who are caught at the border? Illegals are expensive.

 

Just because it's not growing now does not mean it won't. History shows it does.

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Again, it doesn't matter if it's growing or not RIGHT NOW, as it may start again. We can't predict that. But history shows it does.

So you may not agree with it, but there is factual information that shows a need, specifically as more get sent back and will inevitably try again.