US drops 40 tons of bombs on IS-'infested' island in Iraq

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  1. NullSpot the Destroyter

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    Yeah, weren't they the junior varsity that was defeated by Obama?
     
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    Targeting innocent civilians is illegal. Targeting combatants in war is what war is all about.
    Combatants who surround themselves with innocent civilians are responsible if those civilians are killed or wounded in an attack.
     
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    If only we appreciated women and children as much as ISIS, "palestine", and other Islamic cultures.
     
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    Please source your claim that that picture of ruin was caused by precision bombing. Because right now it comes across as a lie. The buildings look like they were destroyed by artillery.
     
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    People who practice total war will eventually receive the same treatment.
    The US attacks on terrorist organizations have been very restrained so far. Yet another reason why the US military should not be actively engaged in most of the ME.
     
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    No, im saying if ISIS or any other sworn enemy of America, their swearing not ours by the way, hides cowardly behind their sisters mothers and children, then jump out and attack us then by all means bomb them where they live. This is NOT genocide, these are people who have sworn to kill Americans.

    We can debate about whether we should be fighting them. But that's an entirely different debate...

    Fact is, we are fighting them and as we fight them our goal should be to kill so many of them so harshly that they surrender or stop fighting.. That is how you save lives in a combat zone. America has mistakenly been lead to believe that wars can be won with half measures and rules of engagement determined by politics.
    All that does is lengthen wars and get more people killed..
     
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    The problem here is that our government doesn't care who are the good guys and who aren't so they lie to make Americans believe otherwise - which puts the blood on our hands. As an example, we want to establish a Kurdish nation in an oil rich area that was never Kurdish, and in order to do so the area has to be ethnically cleansed of their inhabitants. When those inhabitants arm themselves to retake their lands, they suddenly become the bad guys.
     
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    War We Must!


    Our industrial output is so dependent on military spending
    it is disgusting.
    Spent munitions must be replaced.
    Last year's model updated.


    War We Must!


    Tulsi Gabbard 2020

    Moi :oldman:


    Invade :flagcanada:
    It's Closer.

     
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    I teach my kids my values and beliefs and I imagine my wife married me for having similar values. It's not hard to believe our enemies do the same. I don't find it atrocious if wives and children of our enemies become casualties of war.
     
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    I love Tulsi Gabbard. She has real leadership qualities, and the only Democrat with a chance of winning - so of course they'll put in Biden to keep the status quo. When he loses they'll blame this guy here:

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    By the way, do you think we'll take Canada now that we can't get Greenland? Lot's of resources there and their territorial shelf gives us a good excuse to annoy Russia. Someone said Brazil was the best choice, since its army is weak. Then again Bolsonaro called Macron's wife ugly, so maybe France will do the invading for us. :roflol:
     
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    I don't agree with her on much but i believe she is probably a good person and probably has good intentions.
     
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    I thought Canada already was the 51 state. A lot of Canadians would love to join the US just so they could get away from Quebec.
     
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    I know that Iraq's president was furious for what the allies did to Mosul, as was Assad for what was done to Raqqa. Russia was also furious because they had taken forever to capture E. Alleppo to avoid civilian casualties.

    Here are a few excerpts from NPR. By the way, you could have looked it up yourself, I didn't have to do it for you:


    In May, Defense Secretary James Mattis described the fighting in Mosul and the Syrian city of Raqqa as a "more aggressive phase" in the battle against ISIS. Instead of attrition, where command and control and supply lines were cut, the military was using "annihilation tactics," he said.

    Dr. Hassan Zgyr, director of the west Mosul general hospital. Zgyr was director of surgery at the hospital while ISIS occupied the city and during the battle. He says many of the civilian casualties he saw were women and children killed in airstrikes. Also survivors told him that most of the victims died when the houses they were hiding in collapsed in airstrikes.

    "It was the destruction by the airstrikes that was the main cause," he says. "These houses in the Old City were completely destroyed. Damned ISIS was shooting one or two bullets and the airstrikes destroyed the whole neighborhood."

    U.S. military officials did not respond to requests for comment on morgue figures.


    https://www.npr.org/sections/parall...-fighters-are-believed-killed-in-mosul-battle
     
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    I didn't even know Iraq had any islands.

    Normally I'd be very much against US forces going in and bombing people willy nilly but these are some very bad people.
    I mean, when former President Bush said "This is a battle between good and evil", I don't think that was actually too much of an exaggeration.

    I still think sending in soldier Christian missionaries (or even Buddhist) might be a better strategy over the long term, but the Islamists over there will kill anyone who tries to convert a muslim to another religion.
    It's not even safe for Christian missionaries in Turkey, outside of Istanbul and other limited areas.
     
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    Gee whiz! You know what I didn't see in that source you provided? "Precision bombing". So you didn't tell the truth. It's always good to get a read on whose word here can and can't be trusted.
     
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    You don't fool me, Comrade "Jeannette".
     
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    The USG does have a history of frequently supporting the bad guys and betraying the the good guys. But that's how most governments operate.
     
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    Meh... you might want to review your understanding of today's precision 'ordnance'. "Forty tons of bombs"... i.e., eighty thousand pounds, would be roughly the equivalent of three GBU-57A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) precision-guided, 30,000-pound (14,000 kg) "bunker buster" bombs. Take another look at the image shown in the OP... one, two, three.... :thumbsup:
     
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    Muslim nations that oppose radical Islam are usually far more effective at dealing with the problem than all the other opponents of the fanatics.
     
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    How many air strikes did Russia make on ISIS targets in Syria?
     
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    Probably because they know exactly what they're up against, and their country has a long history and experience of dealing with it.
     
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    Video of "evidence" of precision bombing. However, we really have no way of knowing if they hit the right room. Could have been 2 rooms over, but that is up to you to believe the CIA/NSA/FBI or not. With Comey and Strozck and the gang I can completely understand "not".

     
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    Russia made quite a few air strikes in support of the Syrian army, but as far as I know they avoided killing civilians and or bombing infrastructure or their stay there wouldn't be as welcome as it is.

    Most of the strikes by Russia were probably on the terrorist supply lines. At the beginning they were bombing the tankers carrying oil from Raqqa to Turkey. The US refused to destroy the money and arms flow between ISIS and Erdogan's son Bilal until Russia entered the war and left them with no choice.

    In contrast, the US bombed wherever it was feasible to keep the war going on between Assad's forces and the terrorists. If they saw the Syrian army winning, the terrorists with the embedded agents would carry out a false flag chemical attack as an excuse to get Washington to bomb the Syrian army. This Washington did willingly so the war could keep on going.

    It varied though depending on what Washington's plans were for the area. As an example, in the oil rich part of Syria East of the Euphrates, Washington wanted to establish a Kurd nation, so they would support the Kurds against ISIS - but not all the time because if they left completely they wouldn't have an excuse for their air bases there.

    Actually the war there was fought and is being won by the Syrian army with help from Iran. Other than bombing supply lines and helping prepare for the attack by the Army, Russia supplies humanitarian help.
     
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    Oh no! How did you guess?

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    I’d rather they drop a dinosaur-asteroid bomb on Iran —and just to show we mean it, one on Saudi Arabia too. But, sadly it’s not to be, instead we swat the flies feeding off the dead carcass of Islam. You know, the proper method of dealing with “rotten carcasses” is fire. A nuke would do it.
     
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