Was killing Baghdadi a betrayal ?

Interesting question ... one I have pondered myself. The Establishment is the Political and Bureaucratic elite - and the various big money interests that pull the strings.

There are numerous interests - some more influential than others ... and these interests compete and conflict on some things. but agree on others - ... just like Fox and CNN. - both are Establishment propaganda purveyors.

The disagreements are "Hot Button issues" If you want to understand the Establishment - look not at those -but -what the things they agree on - like propping up the Establishment BS with respect to Baghdadi. Have you watched any of the coverage - its vomitous BS - and they all know what they are saying is BS - that is the scary thing.

Trump is an Establishment wonk - he serves the big money interests that bailed him out of bankruptcy .. Club R/R - The Rothschild - Rockefeller consortium - which includes a bunch of other names you have heard .. Goldman, Morgan and so on.

At the end of the day it matters not who is sitting in the presidents chair .. as long as he serves some of the Big money interests.

The Establishment cares about power and control -maintaining the status quo and keeping the people from rising up and upsetting the apple cart.

Like or dislike Trump - one thing he does very well is divide - which helps maintain the status quo.

 

These guys sound a bit old to me. The Rothschild's, like many old money families, are not
the force they once were. Last time I looked there was one Rothschild on a list of the top
moneyed people of America, and he was even related to the old family.

But to me the status quo isn't about money, which buys influence - but influence itself.
The people who create the issues and drive the conversation are not mentioned in your
list. These people have created America today, and have been powerful since the 1960's.

 

It is not just the Rothschild Family - The consortia includes many families. Since much of the family does not reside in the US - it is not surprising to not find them on the list. Further - that list only looks at people who's assets are known. Like Gates who owns X number of Microsoft shares and so we can calculate is worth based on that publicly available information. We can't do this for private corporations -and a host of other assets.

The status quo is not either money or influence. Keeping the Status quo is keeping the people under control - not rising up - keeping the existing system in place.

My list was only one of numerous big money influences - but a big one. The Rothschild consortia owns a big part of the military industrial complex - the healthcare and insurance oligopolies - the banks - including the Federal Reserve banks - Energy - Chemicals and so on ... and the media of course.

 

It was obscene … and scarier yet it that you don't recognize a full blown narcissist.

 

I don't see Rothschild on my list, but I do see Amazon, Microsoft, SpaceX,
Google, Facebook etc.. Your list sounds like an old Leftie-list.

Watched a video on "Who is worse, America or ISIS" a while back. A number
of uni kids said "We were just learning about the (insert favorite rant about
oil industries, Wall St, military contracts etc..) Who did these students "learn"
this from? Their tutors. There's power, right there - shaping the thinking of
the next generation of media execs, corporate players, movie moguls,
publishers, journalists etc..
And when you can't say you oppose gay boy sex or polygamy without
getting shut down/lose job/lose contract/social media attack etc you know
these guys do wield real power - and it's not really about gay boys and having
a dozen wives at all. It's about, as Lenin put it, "Who rules whom."

ps Lenin, Stalin, Mao etc.. These guys ought to have been on that Old-Leftie
List because they had much more than some money tied up somewhere, they
owned whole countries. Try that - Bezos!!!!

 

Baghdadi was a religious fanatic from childhood where he believed he was descended from the tribe of the prophet and rightful caliph.. He fought with other little boys trying to enforce his notions of Islam.

ISIS was about 700 fighters.. now its 19,000.. Every time Westerners kill an ISIS fighter his mother, wife and sisters teach the children that the infidel must be destroyed.

 

Leftie list ? Don't be so lame - as soon as something that conflicts with your uneducated narrative comes up you default to demonization fallacy.

What part of - my post did you not understand - the parts that explained why these folks are not on your list.

Then you go into a bunch of PC leftie stuff that has nothing to do with the conversation.

ISIS was our proxy army - Whose worse ? The terrorists doing the atrocities or the folks that arm and support them ? Silly question really - they are both bad.

Kind of like comparing Stalin, Lenin and Mao and asking which one was bad

 

That's true. There's a name for this, just can't remember it.
A question - when you have a group of fanatics who will
kill you if you don't subscribe to their ideas - do you fight
them or join them?

 

If I recall, the actual Rothschild family were about 1200 on the 1,000 list of America's richest people.
Amazon's Bezos is probably number one.
When I hear people go on about the Rothschild's I am reminded of the old conspiracy theorists
about the Masons.
The Left needs to update its enemy list - no, not Putin, Xi, Khammenei, Nasrallah, Maduro, Kim
Jon Ung etc.. It needs populating with figures like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Mark
Zuckerberg and Baghdadi.

 

Seems we tend to arm the lesser of two evils to fight the greater evil, but once defeated, our proxy then becomes the greater evil. Went that way with Stalin, Iraq, and Taliban. Obama released Baghdadi and then armed them. He might have had other motives, Assad was no big threat to anyone outside Syria.

 

Was he one of the "Taliban five" that traitor, exchanged for one, worthless deserter?

 

Seems this could be fake news that I got that from.
https://www.politifact.com/punditfa...o/foxs-pirro-obama-set-isis-leader-free-2009/

 

Sumbich did trade those 5 Taliban, Brass.

 

Not incredible at all, we have come to expect it from the left . Its what they do.

 

Well obamtard must have gotten something american loving in return , right?

 

No he was released in 2004 by a traitor from the republican side.

 

Trump spoke disparagingly against praising Oblama after Bin Laden was offed.

 

At last I agree with Margot2.

 

ISIS was never a US proxy.

Baghdadi was released from prison in 2004.. Do you always make **** up?

The Kurds control everything in yellow where the depleted oil fields are located.

 

Yes, but Obama CALLED Bush Sunday morning.

 

What did he call him?

 

Obama called Bush to let him know the Seals got OBL.. Bush responded, "Good call"...Do you understand that Trump is low class?

Do you also know that Trump LIED about the screaming etc? There was NO AUDIO.

 

They were probably useful to us in some ways at some point.

If you have snakes at least let them kill the rats. But when it's all said and done you still kill the snakes too.

 

The kurds control everything in yellow where the depleted oil fields are.