What's up scumbag? SI ShopRite worker arrested for slapping Giuliani

What grade were you in when you learned it was wrong to put your hands on others?

 

Violence is wrong; it matters not who the victim is. I'm against all violence to make a point.

 

The "violent attack".

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Early Early on...

What grade were you in when you learned that all touching was automatically considered "violence", or results in jail time?

 

I think I learned that touching requires consent when I was at a party in middle school!

 

That's the best place to learn because the potential outcomes are worth the risks...

 

Are you ok with the J6 protestors being made an example of?

Society is too tolerant of this nonsense.

 

Not to mention his first thread on this exact same topic was deleted for explicitly condoning it

 

You're entitled to your opinion. The sun will rise tomorrow.

I do not believe calling someone a "scumbag" and touching their back in passing equates to "could have fallen on the floor and cracked my skull and died" victim card that Rudy is pulling.

It's not a double standard. If the Capitol riot can be labeled "lovefest" by the monster that orchestrated it (where hundreds of cops were injured) and somebody putting their hand on Rudy's back for a few seconds is considered "attempted murder" there are bigger issues happening that anything I say could resolve for you.

 

My standards in both situations are identical.

Yours, however, greatly depends on politics.

 

Apparently its not very tolerant if you go to prison for touching someone in the back.

 

Didn't you go around pushing the lie that the mainstream media was propagating about how many police were killed that day by the protesters ?

Doesn't it suck when you push it agenda for so long and then your forced to walk it back?

 

People need to keep their hand to themselves, stop trespassing, harrassing public figures, etc

 

How much prison time did he receive?

 

Do you believe that if the same touch (timing, depth, duration, etc.) happened but the guy said "Good job, man" that anyone would be referring to it as a "slap"?

I agree that people should keep their hands to themselves but people approach and talk to and touch public figures all the time. Ignoring his words, would that touch qualify as "assault and battery" to you?

 

The violent left approve.

 

That would be up to Gulianni

I would never go up to someone I don't know and slap them in the back and I assume you would not either

 

Of course there are bigger issues, but you started a thread about this one. Self control is something I value. This guy is just a creepy little man having a tantrum and I have zero respect for those who can't keep their hands to themselves. All he did was show how he allows Rudy to control his emotions.

There are plenty of creepy men doing stupid things. If we start rewarding them with cash, what do you think will happen?

 

Your point was the absurd proposition that a plain old garden variety everyday pat on the back amounts to violence.

Ridiculous.

 

Dance Lizard, Dance.

 

Yep, I'll believe an idiot who has been ridiculed and lambasted world wide for his rubbish claims of a stolen election and claims of possession of supportive evidence which he has never to this day presented.

 

I get what they are trying to say, but it is a cowardly and uncouth statement. If they had said "I wouldn't want Guiliani to piss on me if I was on fire" at least I could respect his commitment, but the way they said it, it's just more perversion from the Democrats.

 

Narcissists are like that.

 

No, of course I wouldn't do that. I don't have OCD but I don't like being touched, period. My kids can hug me and vice-versa but I don't let other people that close to me. I was socially distancing long before COVID.

Nevertheless, what I'm curious about is nothing to do with the law or Rudy or his age or what the guy said. I'm trying to point out that when we look at people's actions *or inactions), we should not be applying our filters for what their intent meant. For example, why is it that black and brown people are considered to be overly aggressive and disobedient toward police officers but Ashli Babbitt disobeyed a direct order and she is held up as a martyr. Some people are even mentioning that she was petite as if her height/weight have anything to do with her actions. People will often dig up anything negative they can about every black and brown person shot but Ashli had some run-ins with the law and wrote so questionable comments on her FaceBook page. It's all rationalized as something different by the biases we hold about specific people and their "value" within in our society.

So, for me, in watching the clip with no sound and picturing the store employee as a different race, gender, sexuality, etc., I, personally would not label that touch a slap. I also do not see any evidence that it was heavy-handed or meant to cause harm. I've had complete strangers touch me that way in stores and, while I didn't like it, I didn't see it as threatening.

If I pictured the same incident with a 78 year old man who is not in the public eye, I honestly do not believe the man would have tried to turn into some kind of imminent danger brutal attack the way Rudy is. Why is it okay for him to speculate what might have happened as the worst case scenario (falling, cracking his skull and dying) when that's unfounded? He does have the right to press charges since the guy did touch him but to hype it up that way not only undermines our justice system but shows him to be dishonest and a tad emo dramatic (I mean, I already knew he was those things but, had I not known that, this mischaracterization would have led me there).

Everyone is focused on what Trump did or did not do regarding the Capitol riot but I would be remiss to not mention here that Rudy was a big part of what went down and he also witnessed what was happening to the Capitol police officers as we all were. He and Trump made calls to Senator Lee to implore him to stop the count (with no regard to getting those officers back-up). So, again, my question is why is it okay for him to amplify this incident but downplay what we all saw on January 6, 2021? Why hasn't he speculated on what more could have happened to those officers and barricaded lawmakers in order to manufacture some trumped (no pun intended) up charges?

Going even one step more...I have intervened when someone was being hurt in public. Many, many times. Watching that clip without any regard to Rudy being a public figure, the one fact that stands out the most to me is that nobody in that group of people went after the guy. The woman to his left rubbed his back but did not cry out or give chase and nobody else seemed to notice. That tells me the contact and the tone did not rise to the point in which one would expect to happen in the face of a true threat.

Why are we allowing some people to abuse the system this way which, in effect, does place them above the law and with more privileges?

 

I agree the guy was in the wrong. I agree that he committed a crime just by touching Rudy.

I don't agree that it's right for Rudy to ham it up and act like it was an assassination attempt, is all.