Where did the wives of Cain and Abel come from?

Theology... which you aren't discussing.

 

Why do you suppose that Moses played magic snake games with Pharoah or put up a brass snake in the desert to save people from snake bite???

 

There are hundreds if not thousands of variations of the Ouroboros symbol dating back to 7,000 BC.

 

You just aren't following...


If the biblical stories you believe were stolen WERE accurate... it is perfectly reasonable that for thousands of years prior to divine intervention through Moses... that SOME VERSION OF THESE STORIES would have been around long before. The symbolism is not suddenly void because it is ALSO in the bible.

I'm done with this. Feel free to have the last word.

 

Moses was a literary device.. they was no Moses and no Exodus.

The whole story is not only laughable but disproven by both Egyptian and Israeli scholars.

 

I know, I know. Their wives were mail-order from the Philipines.

 

LOLOL You are bad.

Here's a clue from scripture..

Cain was marked for his protection from other people out there when he was ejected from Eden.

 

For the record that one is from the 15th century.

Wiki says the oldest one we know of is from Tutenkhamens book of the netherworld (1320ish BC), and goes on to point out a couple of text references which describe something like it a bit older. I know the Xia worshiped a snake as well.

Can you show me a 9k year old one?

 

Here with photos of artifacts.

Botswana 67,000 BC

Bulgaria 6000 BC

Lebanon 2100 BC

Egypt 5000 to 3000 BC

Iran,, (Elam)

source http://www.scribd.com/doc/27912363/Snake-Cults

 

It is said that this is the difference between Neanderthal and Homo Sapien...

 

Really??

6, 000 years ago!

Snake Worship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_worship

excerpt:

Ancient Mesopotamians and Semites believed that snakes were immortal because they could infinitely shed their skin and appear forever youthful, appearing in a fresh guise every time.

Before the arrival of the Israelites, snake cults were well established in Canaan in the Bronze Age, for archaeologists have uncovered serpent cult objects in Bronze Age strata at several pre-Israelite cities in Canaan: two at Megiddo, one at Gezer, one in the sanctum sanctorum of the Area H temple at Hazor, and two at Shechem.

in the surrounding region, serpent cult objects figured in other cultures. A late Bronze Age Hittite shrine in northern Syria contained a bronze statue of a god holding a serpent in one hand and a staff in the other.

In sixth-century Babylon a pair of bronzer serpents flanked each of the four doorways of the temple of Esagila.

At the Babylonian New Year's festival, the priest was to commission from a woodworker, a metalworker and a goldsmith two images one of which "shall hold in its left hand a snake of cedar, raising its right [hand] to the god Nabu".

At the tell of Tepe Gawra, at least seventeen Early Bronze Age Assyrian bronze serpents were recovered

 

Very cool scribd link. Thank you for that.

However I was specifically referring to Ouroboros. I thought you said they were 9k old.

 

Put Ouroboros into google images....

Snake cults is snake cults.. people did speak different languages, you know.

They worshiped the snake because they saw it as eternal life, or continuity of life or wisdom or fertility or rebirth.

It was pretty much world wide..from Crete to Cambodia to Mexico.

 

Put Ouroboros into google images....

Snake cults is snake cults.. people did speak different languages, you know.

They worshiped the snake because they saw it as eternal life, or continuity of life or wisdom or fertility or rebirth.

It was pretty much world wide..from Crete to Cambodia to Mexico.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_worship

 

The snake eating itself is what I am referring to.

You have 40 years in the field, surely I don't have to pick through google images to try and find a reference. Wiki says that what you are saying is incorrect. Wiki surely is not the end all be all of accurate information... but... for a layman like me it makes things simple.

Maybe I misunderstood your post. I didn't think you meant images or sculpture of snakes... but the Ouroboros...

and you showed a picture. I am asking you to put your money where your mouth is.

You are the expert.

Show me an Ourboros older than 5k years... or clarify your statement. We unwashed masses have difficulty keeping up sometimes.

 

1.6 billion Muslims believe that the bible has been corrupted. The Quran mentions this quite a few times. Bits were added and bits changed and bits taken away. That was the whole reason that God sent the last prophet Mohammed.

Of course there was life before Adam and Eve.

In the bible there is a verse in Genesis which says 'go forth and replenish the earth'. Sorry but I can't remember which verse and too lazy to look it up but you can check it out as one example of proof of Adam and Eve NOT being the first creatures on earth, the planet earth.

What does replenish mean?

It means to restore something which was previously there but has gone now.

There were nephilim/dinosaurs/neanderthals etc before Adam and Eve and many other things besides. So the teaching that Adam and Eve were the first creatures on earth is a JudeoChristian thing. But the proof is right there in the bible.

That is why Muslims do not trust the bible. Jesus was sent to correct it. Mohammed was sent to correct it. The last book was the Quran.

Margot is spot on.

Jews distorted their book. Christians made up their own book. Muslims only trust the last book.
That is what many converts say made them convert to Islam. They figured it all out. You just have to look at the Catholic Church today to see how that religion turned out.

Why would you need a priest to act as an intermediary between you and God? Why would you in your right mind confess your sins to a priest?? defies belief really. Really when you think about it it is insane.

 

Put Ouroboros into Google images... that's an image of sculpture of the snake eating its tail.

I really can't post hundreds of pictures... the mods would get after me.

 

What did that post above have to do with the belief of Neaderthals and Homo Sapiens having babies?

 

Cain didn't marry Neanderthals 6,000 years ago..

Neanderthals date back to 25,000 or 30,000 years ago..

The Genesis myth is relatively new.. and cobbled together from many Jewish Creation myths after the Babylonian exile.

 

Nah... Jews invented their book.. Jesus was something else entirely..

The NT probably has some flaws and embellishments. (politics is ever present in any religion)

However, in my experience, Muslims have fewer problems with science ..versus mythos.......

 

Where are you getting 6,000 years from? I didn't know they have recordation of when Adam was alive...

If so, how did they do it. Carbon dating is good for that long, but I don't remember any rocks that said, "Adam was here!! Holla!!!"

So, where is this 6,000 time frame coming from?

 

From the begats.........

Most creation myths are far older than Genesis.

 

One.

You just need to post one or give me reference to it. Unless of course you are just full of it and there is no such thing.

There is nothing on the first 6 pages even close to that old.

Educate me.

 

Look at the artifacts from the earlier post.

I have seen them myself in Arabia, Crete , Egypt, Bahrain and elsewhere.

 

1 Supply or stock abundantly with things, animals, etc. Chiefly (in later use only) as replenished ppl
2 a) Occupy (a place) as an inhabitant or settler; people. b) Occupy the whole of (as in a space).
etc etc.

When you get down to the 6th definition you get "refill". It is a common mistake.