Which Vision of America Will Win Out?

I chose limited government as well, I am all for helping those that can't help themselves (smaller percentage) but it irks me to no end to be forced to pay taxes to help people perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.

 

I am a nationalist capitalist a.k.a. paleo conservative. I am not a libertarian on fiscal matters, for the simple fact most libertarians support free trade. However, I know most libertarians don't support crony capitalism, and I salute them on that. Most libertarians are anti-FED, the private entity bankrupting America as we speak, and most liberals are so elitist and only pretend to care in front of a camera, that they will do whatever the FED says, granting omnipotent powers to a single private entity while still believing somehow they are collectivists. Whatever liberals paid for their "college education", THEY SHOULD DEMAND A REFUND.

 

I chose limited government as well, I am all for helping those that can't help themselves (smaller percentage) but it irks me to no end to be forced to pay taxes to help people perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.

 

The only people who don't mind an expansion of government are the extremely wealthy who will stay that way for the rest of their lives and the people who don't pay taxes. The rest of us, hardworking Americans have enough weight on our back. Congratulations far left fringe element of the Democratic party, you've awoken the sleeping giant

 

Please, our government gets larger by the day, and our country is getting worse by the day. A government by the few, for the few, is a government soon to be brought to its knees. I am simply arguing for what we do after the overthrow. The status quo is at death's door.

 

You choose limited government because you have no clue that it creates a power vacuum that is filled right away by corporate power.

Also why don't you get out more? Those Europeans have a higher standard of living than you do, they are happier, they work less hours, live longer, more vacation, etc.

If I went to a slum in Calcutta, India I would find some dupe like yourself that has some story about how great he has it and how the system is so benevolent.

It's how you get by in life...sucking up to the power system..hoping they throw you a bone.

 

That is crap, I have been to France and England recently, neither appear to be happy and their healthcare systems are a joke.

 

We can take your anecdotal story or we can look at real data and surveys.

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...servatives-versus-liberals-2.html#post4231710

 

Sorry under a Free Market system our Government wouldn't be propping up or subsidizing Corporations. You're extremely wrong on the account that Limited Government would lead to Corporate control. All previous Governments that have had extreme amounts of Government control over the Economic field have had what we've seen in Medieval Eras.

Higher standard? I guess when the EU foundation is shaking incredibly and the parasite Nations that offer nothing are going broke we'll see the standard drop. Nations that actually produce something will be the ones to stay alive... it is Economic Law.

Any place you mention that is in extreme poverty has had their own Government in extreme control of the Economic Policies. You mention Calcutta where the Government use to (Still does technically) have enforcements against "lesser humans" and now India is booming by adopting Capitialistic policies... go figure right?

 

So lets look, you made the claim, provide the links and lets compare apples to apples, no countries with populations the size of Florida.

 

University's curriculum heavily leans towards market socialism, and is 100% biased towards nationalism verses globalism. Young adults, by the hour, as we speak, are being brainwashed that destroying America is some great good towards the benefit of all mankind. Since the "college educated" are those out looking for data to support that end, one cannot trust anything but what they see with their own eyes, touch with their own skin, hear with their own ears. Mark Twain says it best, "there are only 3 types of lies: lies, (*)(*)(*)(*) lies, and statistics."

 

Social democracy will win. Almost every major modern government has moved in that direction.

 

Every major modern government is bankrupted by central banks and has an electorate that trusts astrologists more than their elected representatives, my friend. Times change.

 

A complex institutions and economy are exactly the reasons BIG Government fails. No central authority can make all the complex decisions that occur every single minute of every day that will meet the needs of all the people.

This is why the free markets left to their own protected by laws and a strong defense have proven to be superior to providing for the efficient distribution and use of goods and services.

The notion that highly educated elitist Lefttards arrogantly presuming to know better what we need than individuals do can only be expressed in ignorance of the massive historic failures of such idiot and arrogant presumptions of the past.

I cannot imagine how in a modern world with so much information at one's fingertips how one can still make such absurd and idiot arguments confronted with the facts of such failures.

Where has collectivism ever done a better job than free markets? Europe is filled with the malaise and impending doom and collapse of their efforts to institute massive Government interventionism in the false belief that Government can do a better job than free markets. Watch and behold in the next decade as the EU collapses under the weight of its socialist largess.

Be thankful that people like Rove and Bachman work tirelessly to ensure that America doesn't fall into the same stupidity that has already enveloped Europe and Asia.

Next time you have such stupid thoughts, go stand in line at the County Recorder’s office, or apply for a permit to build at the building department or stand in line at the local DMV to see how efficient Government can be. Better yet, bid to offer goods or services for Government and wade through the RFP which almost requires an army of legal experts.

 

The other issue is this idiot notion that Government helps. If anything Government has only been shown to worsen the problem at greater cost!

Paying more taxes to fund irresponsible legislation intended to empower idiot politicians pandering to ignorant voters requires the willful suspension of good common sense.

I would rather see a successful individual like Bill Gates using his hard earned wealth to directly go to those in need than have the Government confiscate it and create a massive uncaring bureaucracy thinking it can somehow do better.

 

You stupid idiots don't even understand that the opening post is a false choice.

There are an infinite number of shades between full blown prescriptive socialism and pure limited, libertarianist style, Government.

Many American values are already highly socialist, for example, prohibitions on drug use and abortion, drinking age legislation, curfews for kids, even garbage can placement and prescriptive garden design.

You don't even understand the concepts you are talking about. Poor stupid people...

 

It's not central banks you have to worry about -- it's hybrid systems like the Federal Reserve that cause the most problems.

When you give the private sector governmental powers, big problems result from it.

 

Essentially you don't follow a Centralized Economic Philosophy?

 

The Fed's government powers are not run by the private sector, but by a
Board of people selected by the President and approved by the Senate.

 

Ah (*)(*)(*)(*) did you vote? Well thankfully this poll is meaningless and Americans will be deciding the future of America. Every Australian I've ran across on the internet has been a jackass.

 

LMAO. Is there a buzzer that sounds when they need you to come in and defend the FED?

 

We just see the same erroneous claims repeated.

The Fed as a private bank or company is a common one.

 

Corporations have no power except that granted to them by corrupt politicians who pander for handouts.

Corporations can only succeed if they provide goods and services individuals want and need; if they do not, they disappear which allow other companies operating more efficiently and responsively to take their place.

This is how the REAL world works.

I was born in Germany and raised half my life in Germany; I have traveled to almost every country in Europe. Spare me your laughable nonsense and assumptions.

I lived in Europe and worked in Europe; they do not have a higher standard of living and the cost of living there is far in excess to what it is in America. I own a nice home in a beautiful part of the country that I could never have dreamed of owning in Europe. I have the latest technology, two BMWs and the conveniences that come from living in America. I have much more choice, lower costs and when I want to visit my relatives, can do so when I feel the desire to.

Yes Europeans work less hours and have more vacations because their Governments mandate it. That is why many can hardly afford to go anywhere that doesn’t include a tent or living in a hostel.

But then, when you cannot afford to own a car and cannot afford to buy the latest technology, what would you need more money for. After all, you have the Nanny State to tell you what you like and don’t like.

Why get medical care immediately when you can be put on a waiting list? Why have homes when you can live in crowded apartments? Why pay $4 a gallon for gas when you can pay $8? Why be able to buy a pair of jeans for $20 when you can pay $60?

I have been to more parts of the world and countries than you could hope to dream about; so spare me the whiney arrogant lecture about getting out more.

This makes about as much sense as the laughable diatribe you posted above; the notion you could afford to go to Calcutta requires the willful suspension of disbelief.

The only dupes here are the ones who defend systems that limit their choices, increase their costs; double their taxes and brain wash them into thinking they are getting something for nothing. How does it feel to be so duped?

You would be wrong; but at least consistent like most brain washed Liberals. I need nothing from the State and do quite well with my six figure income without the State. I prefer it that way.

Rather than Europeans who suckle from the Government and require it to eke out the meager existence they do because the cost of doing anything at all is three times what it would cost here in the good old USA.

Perhaps If you got out more you wouldn’t make such painfully stupid claims and comments?

 

Please. If the FED isn't private, then the government can just null and void the trillions on interest alone, right? By all means, explain how the government owes money to itself. Explain how the government pays interest to itself. Apparently, there is no debt if you listen to Iriemon. People in Washington made the whole thing up.

 

Bravo; someone who "gets" it.