White Fragility.

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  1. Ray9

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    There is nothing new under the Sun and disturbing historical parallels arise. It’s been a little less than a hundred years since Adolph Hitler penned “Mein Kampf”, a handbook blaming a racial component of society, Jews, for the ills of society. Now another equally obnoxious and dangerous racist manual is making the rounds as a bestseller during equally turbulent times. “White Fragility” is a book written by white professor and corporate consultant Robin DiAngelo. It smears the entire white race as the broken toys of a perfect world.

    The book is the epitome of gaslighting indoctrination. People with pale complexions must now contend with a new wave of groupthink that is essentially a mob that is coming for them. There is no place to run and no place to hide from being criminally and irreparably white.

    The Black Lives Matter movement is erupting into a powerful political party and US corporations are filled with consternation at the mere thought of national boycotts, domestic terror attacks and anything that even looks like bad publicity. Diangelo’s book is likely to end up as required reading at company seminars and may even be imposed on students beginning in elementary school.

    The Nazis took a crude, bludgeoning approach to dealing with the Jews who could not help being Jews, White America too is now presented as unfixable. But Diangelo prefers to destroy the spirit of the young with the burden of White Guilt and the contrived crime of White Privilege. It does not matter that no white in America today ever owned a slave. The failure of the Great Society bureaucracy has to be explained away by something-it’s those damned “white people”, they’re doing it without even realizing it.

    The destruction of the black family structure by academics and politicians is just shunted aside in favor of blaming some irresistible, subconscious flaw in the white race. So now kids get the re-education brainwashing of “White Fragility”. It’s more like something from the People’s Temple or the Branch Davidians than any serious forensic examination of Black problems in America.

    White America cannot afford to sit and hope the spiritual goodness of academic elite hordes will prevail when the incited throngs come after them and their children. Whites never said black lives do not matter; those words were put in their mouths. “White Fragility” is the modern manifestation of the “Jewish Question”.

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    Well stated and well worthy of thought and consideration.
     
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    The full title is "White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism".
     
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    Robin DiAngelo is a very intelligent, thoughtful woman. Most Whites are very uncomfortable talking about race and become defensive whenever the subject comes up.
    Here are some of the defensive comments I often hear:
    1) "I've never owned a slave" That is besides the point. Even if you never owned a slave, you can still be racist.
    2) "All lives matter" That is up for debate when a 12 year old Black boy can be killed by police for playing with a toy gun, and the White policeman gets off scot free. This is just one example of how Blacks are treated differently by the police.
    3) "Why don't Blacks get their own lives in order, instead of blaming Whites"? Most Blacks are doing the best they can. Most Blacks do not blame Whites, but they do want Whites to acknowledge the slavery, Jim Crow, oppression, etc that Black people have faced in this country. Many Whites refuse to acknowledge this.
     
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    There is no evidence that whites have a built-in difficulty discussing racism. What they have is an adverse reaction to being labeled born racists. The book is the sociological opinion of a non sociologist. The only real sociologist that ever studied black issues in America was Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a democratic senator. He concluded that the disintegration of black family structure was the root cause of a revolving door of black poverty. Fatherless homes and no familial male authority figure led to cycle of black failure to keep up with other factions that were less affected by the unwise policies of the War on Poverty and the Great society.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Patrick_Moynihan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For_National_Action
     
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    In my experience, ALL people have difficulty discussing racism. That makes sense. It's a tough subject.

    Edited to add: I didn't intend for the font to be so large in post #3. I just copied the title from Amazon and hit "Post reply" too soon.
     
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    If Black fathers are so important it's a shame so many of them are killed by the police.
     
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    Lock and load.
     
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    Once again the company I work for needed to hire. We needed three people for various positions and would have hired anyone who replied. My company is located in a mostly black area of Youngstown Ohio, on a main thoroughfare. We put the 'Help Wanted' on our marquee and advertised in the newspaper. Not a single black responded. We hired three whites.

    Why did no blacks respond? We pay a living wage. We are not racist.

    Do not cry to me about the poor oppressed blacks who are held down by white racism. The blacks do this to their selves and blame the whites. It's Bull Sh*t.
     
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    Perhaps they should try to cooperate with the Police instead of acting like jackasses.
     
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    If they were staying home to take care of their children and on the job supporting them rather than getting themsselves arrested, that might help too.
    Hard to be a father in the sense of actually raising children when you knock up their mother and walk away.
     
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    I don't get the "fragility" part.
     
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    Stop feeling guilty for being white. I don't. Never have. I enjoy the things we whites don't need to fear.
    Like walking down the street without fear of harassment.
     
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    This thread shows once again that there is this weird opinion held by many white conservatives that all black people are responsible for the actions of each individual black person. One black person robs a store, and white conservatives start talking about the failures of black society.

    You’ll never see those same people talking about the failures of white society when a white person goes to jail. They talk about individual responsibility and about that one person.

    Then they’ll beat their chest about how racism is a myth.

    Whatever.
     
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    Perhaps the police shouldn't be so trigger happy and learn how to de-escalate tense situations.
     
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    If Black men were not the victims of systemic racism, they would be able to stay home with their kids or be on the job.
     
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    It all comes back to systemic racism and White privilege. What are you doing to correct these issues?
     
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    Has it occurred to you that your problem is not my problem? That how people manage their own lives is vastly more important than any other factor is controlling their future?
    You are saying "I only kill people because I'm angry, so it's justified?" I burn your store, because an ancestor I know nothing about may have been a slave 200 years ago- even though you migrated to this country long after slavery was ended with the sacrifice of 360,000 men who died to free me? I'm sure that makes sense to you. Sorry, not to me.

    Of course not. IF you take responsibility for yourself, then- oh my god, you might have to actually do something about it.

    Everybody is discriminated against in one way or another.

    If you want to argue, get some facts and a rational view first.

    WHAT IF AMERICA HAD NEVER ALLOWED SLAVERY, AND THE SLAVES HAD NEVER COME?

    What kind of world would these same people have built for themselves?
    Would the descendants of those who did not get sold into slavery be better off in their homeland and the life they would have led there than they are here?

    Look to their homeland, which was mostly nations now known as Angola and Gambia.

    THEY practiced slavery. Slavery was formally ended around 1900- and replaced with a forced labor system.
    That continued until 1961. Then they had a 30 year civil war, killing between 1/2 and 1 million people.
    Average family income today- $260 a month. A kilo of tomatoes- costs $16.
    58% of the nation is illiterate. 27% of kids entering 1st grade will not complete the 4th.
    At least half the nation does not have access to potable water, a large number die from the resulting diseases. Life expectancy is 60.
    Most homes outside the capitol city have dirt floors. Pretty much the same with other relevant parameters relating to the quality of life too.

    Sounds like a great place to live, doesn't it?
     
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    Why not? The left and the blacks have no problem blaming all whites for the failures of the black community.

    Any one who goes to jail brought it on their self. With rare exceptions.

    Racism is alive and well, just look at BLM.
     
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    So you get to stereotype whites? I've been discussing racial issues since I was a teenager who grew up actually witnessing the discrimination and segregation of the deep South. The defensiveness is on your side and likely fills this book. It is you who doesn't want to discuss what actually drives the problems within black communities and how to fix them.

    But probably not and should not be held responsible nor accountable as an excuse for the problems within the black communities.
    You mean a rather big teen who had purposely removed the orange tip on the barrel of a very real looking toy, was pointing it at passing cars and people and when police arrived at the scene of someone threatening the public with a firearm raised it at them? I Ave no reason to believe had he been white or Asian or Hispanic the outcome would have been the same.

    Yes what you are uncomfortable discussing. All the things you list HAVE been discuss at infinitum. We discuss them right here all the time. That's not going to change anything. Until the problems WITHIN the black community and it's OWN responsibility nothing will change.
     
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    What privilege did I have over you? What privileged did my kids have over the black kids? What are you doing to correct the systemic problems WITHIN the black community?
     
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    :deadhorse: Do you have anything new to add to your narrative?
     
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    Thank you for this nice post of deflections. Well done.
     
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    Most whites would rather be talking about hockey, films, camping, cars, trips, religion, their job, poker, gardening, skiing, the opposite sex, hunting, carpentry, fishing, grilling, music, beer, the meaning of life, books, home improvements, etc...

    When whites talk about race (which is exceedingly rare) they are extremely comfortable as long as no blacks are around. When blacks are around I myself am uncomfortable talking about ANYTHING. I am intelligent enough to realize one wrong word could be the utter destruction of my life. I generally say the bare minimum to communicate, don't make eye contact and try to get away as quickly as possible. If they are particularly friendly (as my black neighbor is) I will be more friendly in return (but even with him I screen myself in a way I would never do with white people, I sometimes wonder if he is doing the same thing to me).
     
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    When people ask for proof of white fragility, I like to point them to threads like this. The posters seem to exhibit white fragility.
     

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