Who Are You Voting For and Why?

*eyeroll* Whatever, Dan. It's a documented fact. You go ahead and keep your crazy, non-proveable conspiracy theories. I'll be the one laughing at you when the GOP and the Democrats finally agree to turn you into a slave to their will.

What's wrong with Amtrak and USPS?

That's been going on under Presidents from both parties.

And the bailouts Bush started.

Started as Wide Receiver under President Bush. Holder was just stupid enough to get caught.

Courtesy of eight years of Bush and four of Obama, with Republican and Democrat Congress.

No, they aren't.

Oh please, Dan. You wouldn't know socialism if it smacked you upside the head.

1) Market socialism works. China proved it. Market socialism made their economy our rival, then our superior.

2) The Nordic Model/Scandinavian Socialism works. Norway proved that.

3) Libertarian socialism works. Pre-fascist Spain proved that.

4) Titoist socialism works. Yugoslavia under Tito proved it.

No, we don't. You do.

 

Arizona can still deport them, especially if they've committed a crime.

No, he did not. He merely gave them work visas. They are not citizens, they cannot vote, this isn't a path to citizenship, it's not amnesty. It's just work visas.

It's not a regulation. And constitutionally, he has no authority. Legally, he does, because the unconstitutional Department of Homeland Security (that BUSH created) reports to the President and issues the visas.

Of course they are. They are just cleverer about it.

Or were you trying to insult me indirectly? Because I'm not a Democrat.

What "juvenile insult" are you referring to?

 

Oh please. He did it because he wanted to. You just don't want to believe that he's actually on your side.

Sounds no different than GOP issues.

He SAID he believes otherwise. Doesn't make it fact.

 

I dont yet know who im voting for, I do know who I am not voting for though, Obamney can eat a bag of (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

I'm writing in Ron Paul unless I feel the Libertarian candidate is a better fit.

 

Didn't they nominate Johnson?

 

You are correct. Only difference is, Lincoln's Exec. Order made absolute sense, Obama's Exec. Priviledge makes absolutely NO SENSE pertaining to F&F. and it shows a sign of abject guilt to pull that move.

He finished in November. get ready.

 

Arizona nor any other state can deport anybody. So what is ICE going to do when Arizona detains one of these new class of people and following the law as Congress wrote it turns them over to ICE, which law is ICE going to follow, the one Congress wrote for them or the one Emperor Obama decried?

Yes that is amnesty, for two years, they will not be deported, they will live legally within out borders against the law as Congress wrote it by the decree of Emperor Obama.

That's EXACTLY what it is and guess what the DOJ reports to the President, that doesn't mean he gets to write the laws they enforce.

 

Oh please he did it because he was forced to do it and has vowed to raise them.

Really, cite them then.

And your evidence otherwise is what. Your wishes aren't fact.

 

I don't want the USA to become a corporate-religious feudal state, therefore I'm mostly voting for Democrats, being their policies are far less supportive of the corporate-religious feudal state than the Republicans.

I won't waste a vote on the libertarians or any third party. I know this will especially offend the libertarians, but I'm a liberal, hopelessly focused on results and practicality instead of my precious moral purity. If the USA becomes a corporate-religious feudal state, my unblemished moral purity will be of small comfort.

 

I vote Republican because I am for low taxes, smaller government, more power to local governments and less to Washington.....

.....I believe in traditional family (man and woman as husband and wife), and I am against abortion.

I will never, never, NEVER vote for a Democrat as long as I live.

 

So I'm curious. How do you feel about the fact that Boehner and Cantor came out and said that they support the substance of what Obama has done - that their only beef is they wanted to do this on a permanent basis?

 

we weren't talking about F&F.. we were talking about the immigration exec order.. but if you want 'sense' in F&F.. you can always ask GWB since he did the same thing when he claimed Cheney had exec privilege in those secret 'energy' meetings and didn't have to tell anyone who was there or what was discussed.. or Bush claimed exec priv from congressional subpoenas requesting documents from and testimony of Harriet Myers.. not too mention his counsel claimed EP when congress was investigating the cover-up of Pat Tillman's death.. and finally, for the 4th time just that month.. Bush claimed EP to squash Rove's suponea's when he was supposed to explain his roll in federal prosecutors firing..

did those few examples there also "shows a sign of abject guilt to pull that move" too?

 

Let the discussions begin. And then first chance let's get this joker who has no respect for our government nor the constitution out of there before he declares himself emperor for life and that it would really be better if we made elections every 50 years so no elections until then.

 

You make good points. I think ol' W used Executive privilege a half dozen times or so. But several wrongs don't make a right. Holder screwed up. Obama shouldn't have come into this with the EP.
Holder should resign or at least take a public spanking and have someone yell "Naughty Boy!" at him. Obama should stay tf out.
IMO

 

presidential elections are between two sides of the same coin, each side's main difference is simply the special interests (where their campaign funds come from) it serves, but sometimes even those are the same. some people consider the voting process to be a choice between the lesser of two evils. everyone knows politicians are corrupt, and everyone knows that the system is failing but for some reason, for the most part, they refuse to make the connection. they continue to 'vote'.

the longer i live on this planet, and the more time i have to try to understand people, the more i realize how pathetic we are as a race...how stupidly dependent we are, on people, and things designed by people. watching the people of this country deceive themselves into thinking that an election is between 2 'leaders' is overwhelmingly depressing. it is the most convincing proof that i need, to believe that if aliens exist, they may be the only intelligent lifeforms in the universe.

money makes this country go 'round, it makes our political decisions, it chooses our diplomatic voice, it decides everything. that in and of itself is a horrifying thought, only made worse by the fact that we are piling on debt at record rates, as if its the one thing we're good at, so we're gonna try to impress the world by doing it better. money is the vehicle by which we run our nation, while our budget crisis is the location we depart from, refusing to look back. maybe politicians that are bought by corporations (for reasons other than a gesture of patriotism), should be ignored, and this country should trade in the SUV and get a little 4-banger?

nah, that's blasphemy, i should follow my fellow americans. when in doubt, proceed with confidence. when in debt, spend more money. vote for actor A or actor B, whoever's smile tickles your fancy and makes you feel warm and cozy in bed at night, so you can fall asleep before you keep yourself awake with rational and fearful thoughts, such as the retirement/SS/medicare/$ value/foreign policy blowback/ etc. problems we will eventually be knocked out cold with.

 

Oh, I remember November...but it's not the November you're referring to The November you're referring to, I'll be standing in front of a court house, with one little poem in my head.

Remember, remember, the fifth of November,
Gunpowder, treason and plot,
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot.

You can go squabble over Obamney all you want to, I won't be voting.

 

I can agree with that.. as long as the Right does the same when it happens.. or just stops ignoring all the times it happened while calling for Obama/Holder's head like this is virgin territory or something.. I think we'd police ourselves if we weren't constantly defending Obama's action for being so radical or new and never been done before.. we spend way too much time saying "Uh, sparky.. Bush 1 did it, Bush 2 did it, Regan did it,Eisenhower did it, Lincoln did it.. it's not new, it's not radical, it's not anything other than business as usual.. and btw, you never said a squint when any of those others did it did you?" to every single minute of Obama' days up to and including his use of a teleprompter... because that had never been done before.. *rollseyes*

 

Well of COURSE they won't. ConservaRepubs will freak and flip and go into hysterics as if Obama is the first president in history to exercise EP. This would be surprising why?

But whatever. I didn't like it when Bush did it and I don't like it now.

 

you guys are arguing over meaningless information. this country is ruled by the wealthy, under the veil of an illusory democracy. you, and the rest of the population are all mistaken, you get hung up on the numbers and political nonsense that is purposefully fed to you to keep you ignorant of the real nature of our nation. one quote comes to mind, that to me, paints an accurate picture of reality for this country:

history is written by the victors
-winston churchill

this quote makes sense if you realize that the 'victors' exist, because the fight is over. the american dream, with freedom and individual liberty has been undergoing a systematic defeat for over 100 years now. it's not completely destroyed, but few nations completely destroy their enemies, because they want to 'take' the 'goods' that the nation produced prior to its failure.

the socialist/collectivist agenda is in charge now, powered by a totalitarian-like scheme that makes the rich richer (thereby securing the established power of said agenda), so the numbers that you argue, the 'deficits', the people (if you really can call them that), are insignificant distractions. presidents don't matter, congress doesnt matter, the supreme court doesnt matter, NONE OF IT MATTERS ANYMORE. they are prematurely painting a pretty picture for themselves, assuming that they've won and that americans will never regain control. eventually, after hearing and seeing everything that they only want you to see, the only thing you will hear or see from them is what you want to see.

if you want to solve a problem, you need to resolve its root causes, not alleviate the symptoms. the root cause of the failure of our politicians and our government, is the source of the power of the perpetual agenda, the unrelenting force that is taking over the direction of this country. that source, simply put, is rich people that want the power to secure increased riches, or to simply have influence and the power of 'control'.

the first step in solving this problem is to realize that capitalism (a system that drives people to greatness, and encourages people to become wealthy, and 'capitalizes' on human nature), does not mix well with democracy, because democracy (supposedly a system where the population majority is in control), is easily manipulated, just as people are easily manipulated, and anything that can be manipulated, will be manipulated by rich people striving for more power (also human nature).

so, in conclusion, we need:

1. to keep capitalism
2. to create a type of government that isn't entirely pliable to special interests. consider it a redesign. we have over 300 million people in this country, i'd like to hope a few of them could get together and figure out how to accomplish that.
3. create no system that defies human nature, or you can expect humans to defy, and destroy it.

 

You seem to be of the mistaken belief that every invocation of EP has been exactly the same for the exact same reasons. Pretty intellectually shallow thinking there.

 

Can you demonstrate when the republicans have EVER done ANY of those things?
If you can then I can understand voting form but since you can't I have to wonder why you keep voting form them hoping for a different outcome?

 

In other words, they wanted credit for it because it's a great idea.

 

Well along that train of thought, Rubio had already written the bill to do what b.o. did. So it's b.o. stealing Rubio's credit. Stealing credit and avoiding blame is b.o.'s mantra.

 

And yet when Rubio does it, it's okay...