why Mormans are not Christian

They cannot read a book they are too lazy to pick up. The books are not sealed, their hearts and minds are.

 

If you were me looking at you you'd say, man that guy's dumb as a rock. You're not fooling anyone. I asked you an honest question and you lied in reply...effectively stating yourself no more the liar than Joseph Smith. Difference is, Joseph Smith didn't lie. You however admitted that you're a liar. So why the charade? You're all talk about the BoM, even though you haven't read it and aren't going to muster the courage to ask God if it's true.

 

Ya got a point there. But they say that if they could see the original plates, they'd believe. Which is kinda funny seeing that they've mocked and ridiculed nearly every particular of the book already, including Joseph Smiths character.
So here's to the resident atheists, nonbelievers or whatever their persuasion.

 

people are not understanding this tragedy all over the internet


others do get it and fear mitt being a president

 

From the people that say mortality is the result of a talking snake convincing 2 people to eat a kid of fruit?

That grew out of a religion with one people god chose over all others

They fit right in

 

Yep, the concept that Sin separates us from God is stupid, makes no sense.

The fact that Jews were able to survive in between massive Empires that should have crushed it repeatedly and are all now swept from the Earth?

Yep, God could knock a few atheists right in the head, and still the atheist would not believe. The funny thing is, the Bible predicts exactly that.

And what does it mean when your current intransigence was predicted thousands of years ago?

 

See this is what is so disturbing about Mormons, their willingness to make claims without backing them up. You've labeled me an atheist without any reason. You've denied Mormon racism in spite of its doctrine linking skin color to a "curse" and refusing to allow blacks to the priesthood until the 1970s (when it was simply too embarrassing to continue with the racist policies). You claim the Book of Mormon is historical, and then defend it by defying anyone to disprove it. (This works with lots of fiction. Prove Moby Dick didn't really happen! Ah, you can't!) It's as if Mormons have abandoned all sense of reason in order to embrace a religion based on someone's unsubstantiated claim. If Mormon's buy all this, how can anyone expect them to apply critical thinking or even common sense?

 

What are YOU doing?

You first whined about the fact that you were not using EITHER science or evidence, and now you are saying that Mormons should be condemed for not using anything to back up what they claim? (Ignoring the entire field of apoogetics ... once again).

Amazing what double standards breed, and how quickly they breed such silliness.

Apply YOUR standards to YOUR position.

 

Probably not.

Seems they like to use the argument of incredibility (fallacy) and are unwilling to address the blatant inaccuracies in the Book of Mormon (intellectual dishonesty).

 

It is not a matter of courage, it is simply matter of dismissing what is obviously false.

Would you like to address the falsehoods found in the Book of Mormon? You have a lengthy list, might as well get to work!

 

It was addressed, but, as you have proven time and again, you ignore that which disagrees with you.

Agh, atheism.

Would our local atheists like to address the points that Jenn put up? Any of you? Or will any random untested results of a google search suffice?

 

What I am doing is pointing out your shameless lack of reasoning for which you have yet to respond. But I never once condemned Mormons of anything as you (again falsely) accused me. My first post in this thread was only to highlight the unjust criticism by one of the Mormons in here toward someone's post that the BoM is fiction. How can you criticize and attack the view that the BoM is fiction when, as you've said yourself, it's unproven either way? If it's strictly a matter of opinion, then why so defensive?

 

Who is defensive?

Or did you miss the part where I have repeatedly stated that the events of the BoM are almost impossible to verify ... we don;t know why the Mayans ceased to exist, but we are supposed to track a single boat load of people a thousand years earlier? That is an incredibly difficult problem set.

And yet, you reject the narrative, specifically stating that you are using no evidence, no reasoning, just utter intrasigent rejection .... and now you are complaining because Mormons aren't using reason?

Did you miss the post about apologetics?

Did you miss the part where Jen posted several supporting inquiries?

Guess so.

This is the same antics that feeds Islamophobia. Its simple and straight forward, and like most atheists, when confronted with your own double standards, suddenly everyone else is the one getting defensive. Funny how that works?

 

Catholicism isn't where I was going. To answer your question, yes, if they don't believe in the Trinity, that are not Christian. IMO, of course.

 

Well, then there are a lot of non-Christian, Christians out there - including some members of denominations who accept the Trinity as a doctrinal basis of instruction.

Its Jesus that is central to Christianity, not the Trinity. Those eho revere him and his teaching, who strive to live by his example and word are Christians. However imperfectly we do that, all those who attempt will never really fail.

What saddness we must bring God to allow a simply doctrinal difference to block or deny that exemplary message to be followed by others.

 

Incorrect! I am using reasoning, but for some reason you refuse to engage it. Here is the reasoning:

1. Joe Smith and his followers make a truth claim.
2. I, and countless others, have asked for him or anyone to substantiate that truth claim.
3. Joe Smith and his followers deflect by saying that Moroni took the golden plates back, everything is unprovable, who knows what happened to the Mayans... which in effect invalidates his truth claim.
4. I, and countless others, have no reason whatsoever to accept this truth claim. Anyone who does is clearly not applying reason.

You like that word. Please apply a single apologetic argument to Mormonism. Just one. Can you accept this challenge? You have not done so yet, you only claim they exist.

 

Its already been provided. Jen provided a brief and you have summarily skipped it. I have directed you repeatedly to Mormon apologetics .... you can hash out any of them you wish.

Now, simple laziness is supposed to be an excuse for righteousness?

Why are you certain its false? What evidence are YOU bringing? Nothing. Yet the world must beat its path to you, do the research and weigh the results, all for you.

YOu do realize I asked you yesterday why the faith that leads to lazy ndolence is correct?

It isn't. Get off you butt and, I know this is agony, type the words M-O-R-M-O-N Space A-P-O-L-O-G-E-T-I-C-S.

Whose fault is it that you are too lazy to check into something BEFORE you reject it? Of the agony of a google search!!!!

 

No surprise, you continue to refuse to offer a single defense of Mormonism. And I hope Jenn's "Mormon challenge" is not the apologetic brief you're referring to. That is not a defense of anything and Wolverine did a good job of dismanteling much of it for you already. Of course, he presented facts, something you are not willing to contend with.

 

HOw would you know? You are too lazy to look or even rebiut what Jen already gave you!

I hope that is not your defense? THe ostrich!

So, Mormons are not Christian because someone who is not a Mormon is too lazy to even familiarize himself with what it claims.

 

Your cute smilies, like most of what you've written, do not help your cause. Please respond to Wolverine's skewering of the non-apologetic "Book of Mormon Challenge:" http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/234834-why-mormans-not-christian-9.html#post1060937455"].

 

I did, go ahead and read it and respond.

Laziness is not an excuse.

 

It really is not necessary to be condescending and insulting (using epithets like "athtard"), though I understand if you can't help yourself. From reading your response, you chose to defend two of Wolverines criticisms:

1. You defend the notion that bows with steel cores existed among the Maya, despite the overwhelming lack of evidence that the Maya could smelt iron for anything. I would love to see your source for this claim, but at this point I don't expect you to provide one.

2. You suggest that Joe Smith's account was validated by John Lloyd Stephens's discovery of the Maya ruins; but the Spanish had known about the Maya since the 1500s when they conquered them. Stephens didn't accidentally rediscover the Maya ruins in 1839... he was looking for them! While you are willing to assume Joe knew nothing of the Maya civilization, I find it more than plausible that he had heard and/or read about them just like many other Americans had.

I will accept your refusal to address the multitude of other holes poked in the "Challenge" as an admission of defeat. Ciao!

 

to be fair there nation did not always always survive

 

You've not reassuring the book or Mormon have you? The steel bow arose in Jerusalem, not the new world, and in the story the bow wears out and our protagonist is forced to hunt without their normal actruments while saving seeds for the end of the journey.

You really have no idea what you are talking about do you? Maybe you should at least read the Bomb before you so soundly reject it? No one says being familiar with other religious texts means you have to accept them. But at least you learn to respect a different view point.

And when we reject something without evenbothering to examine it, that is athtarded.

 

The jews did, who are the Baalists and Assyrians now?