Will we have to fight fascism again? European elections suggest yes...

It's good to bring up "immigrants" issue here. The main reason of the rising of right wings at Europe. Europeans suffer from the failure of the "immigration policy". If the problem get worse, more and more native Europeans will support right and far right parties, fascism becomes more acceptable.
I can understand. As this is always the common problem of most of the developed societies in the world.
However, I afraid the trend of mass immigrants may be so difficult to stop, far beyond what you can imagine.

Government notices the anger of local people, but still doesn't changethe policy, not even a fine tune.
The leftists, liberals, and main stream medias are still singing diversity and multicultural value.

Because politicians don't work for the people who vote him, but the big bosses like the giant transnational corporations, big capitalists that we don't even know their names!

 

Been interesting reading .. it is a shame that so many fall to the base level of demeaning others for wanting to control immigration .. it seems to work very well for other countries, hell even the US try to control it's immigration.

My own main bone of contention is that the British people were lied to in 1975 by the then government -this fact was admitted by the PM of the time Ted Heath in later interviews - The British public were told that the Common Market was nothing more than an extended Trade Agreement, that and that alone should be enough for what ever government is in power to have held another referendum, it should not have taken 40+ years to reach the point where a major party has been forced to include a referendum in their manifest.

People can accuse UKIP of being racist, and those who support them of being "little Englanders" as much as they like, the fact remains that there is a growing disenchantment with the whole European Union ideology in the UK and it always amazes me that people say these things about UKIP supporters, the very supporters who voted for other parties in previous years, and lets us not be blind ALL the political parties have members who are racist. UKIP cannot be ignored, neither will they just fade away, while I cannot see them winning a general election anytime soon they will, I predict, win seats in next years general election.

I also find it very funny how people here have stated that UKIP want to destroy the EEU, are these people trying to tell me that the EEU is not strong enough to survive should the UK vote to leave .. that to me is just a sensational piece of emotional propaganda much in the same vein os to what they accuse UKIP of doing.

I voted for UKIP in the European elections .. however, I will wait and see what their policies are, to be released in late summer / autumn before making my decision on who to vote for come May 2015. If enough of their policies tune to my own way of thinking (and I am not stupid enough to think all their policies will, I mean do you all agree with every policy your particular political party produce) then I will vote for them.

I want to have the chance to have a say in whether we remain as part of the EU or not based on the facts, not to continue as part of something sold to us on lies.

 

There is only one race and that is the human race, western civilization is superior to most other world cultures today precisely because of our multiculturalism, classical liberalism, and pluralism not in spite of it and so long as immigrant populations are made to assimilate to those cultural traditions then they will only add to our strength and continued global success and world leadership.

 

Very likely yes.

lol and those are your roll models on the global stage?

 

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This will hit many of the high points. In English. This will not render well on tablets, so look at it on your PC --

http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres10/WALENDYsolje.pdf

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Considering the rise of right wing parties in Poland, and the nationalistic spirit of Polish politics post-Communist collapse- I find it highly unlikely.

 

I am aware that not all UKIP members are racist and I think the surge in UKIP's votes is probably more to do with the recession, that our politicians answer to the Global economy first not us and the reality that democratic political activity has all but ground to a halt in this country whereas it used to be robust. People see UKIP as that change. I see it as a dangerous change.

Not sure if that was something I said. Russia is wanting to build up a Eurasia Union ideally all the way to Lisbon. She wants the EU destroyed and this to replace it. This would be an authoritarian non liberal society where minorities are subordinate, homosexuals not accepted and people are good Christians. Most of the time Russia sees the UK excluded, I think because she believes that the UK is inherently liberal. Russia is relying on the far right in Europe to destroy the EU. The European far right are Russia's friends.

Farage has indicated his approval of Putin though he more than most tries to keep himself away from people like Le Penn. However you will know that UKIP does not give it's approval for equal rights for gays and I doubt if there can be any doubt that he believes some immigrants are better than others. Hence within him certainly are the raw ingredients that would go with the people who support Russia and the Eurasian Union and would see the destruction of the EU as a necessary piece of that plan. I have a feeling he is quite opportunistic and at the moment is waiting to see the way the wind blows but that sort of authoritarian party I think is what he most would like.

 

It goes further than just the recession, for if that were true then votes for UKIP should be falling as we are "supposedly" moving out of recession, the general dissatisfaction with the EEU has been building for years. IMHO it has become a overpowering behemoth.

I don't think that UKIP will ever be able to form a majority government, what I do think they will do is make the current zombies in the political world start to actually listen to the people who put them in power.

 

Although we are supposedly getting out of the recession, the word is supposedly. Most people are not noticing much improvement. Research shows it is only at such times that East Europeans may have an effect on jobs here in the UK. In the UK most people have zero knowledge of the EU and particularly in England the press has for a very long time blamed the EU for everything that goes wrong. Indeed the Conservatives tend to do that too. The EU makes a nice scapegoat.

In Scotland however where the intent is to stay in the EU if we go for Independence, people see the EU in a much more positive light and last I heard 2/3rds want to stay in.

Almost always anti EU parties are far right and like I said they are working with Russia.

They can't make zoombies in the current world listen to people. When Thatcher instead of investing North Sea oil into upgrading our industries, decided to let them go to rot and used the money to pay the people she made unemployed, and at that time people expected to work, we used to judge whether a party was any good by whether they could provide full employment - any way when Thatcher did that and decided instead that Britain would use the City and financial services, she basically sold our democracy. Democracy could no longer be based on the needs and will of the people but instead had to answer to those who had the cash wanted. This was made even worse when people lost all interests in parties and they now survive on interested donations which they must reward. We are now down to the inequality we had in Victorian times. Leaving the EU will not make the situation better. Chances are it will make it much worse. Contrary to what Farage thinks, we are no longer an Empire and cannot rely on trade with those we previously colonised who have now moved on. Nor is there any reason to think that the EU will allow us to continue doing business without extra costs.

However with Farage, I can easily see him in government. I can see England becoming racist and taking away the rights of minorities. Surely this is already happening given that he still got so many EU seats after everything which was revealed during the elections. People do not have to think this way to begin with. It is very easy to get them to change. You just get them to buy one little thing and before you know it their ideas change. It is the easiest thing in the world to manipulate a change in people's views if they are not very strong before hand and unfortunately for many people that is how it is. I can't remember the statistic but a large percentage of those who said they had voted for UKIP in the EU elections said they would vote in the General elections for them too.

Change is certainly needed, just not in that direction.

 

The U.S. will probably fight some and become allied to others, which is what happened after WW2.

 

I disagree with your estimation that it is all about just making the EU the scapegoat, there are in my opinion valid concerns over the far reaching "powers" that have been granted to the various EU departments. Personally I have no problems with what the Common Market was 'supposedly' about at it's conception, the dropping of trade barriers between member nations, anything else above and beyond that should be given to the people to decide, other countries seem to manage perfectly well trading with Europe without all the other BS that comes with it, just as other countries seem to manage perfectly well with immigration . difference is it is under their terms.

That is IF Scotland gains independence and then IF they don't have to re-apply for entry into the EU, it is no foregone conclusion that Scotland will maintain it's membership should they vote for independence. - BTW as far as independence is concerned, at least Scotland is being given the chance to vote on it, unlike the rest of the UK as far as the EU is concerned.

While UKIP may be a right-winf party they are certainly not far right.

Thatcher is dead and gone, her government policies are part of history and she did what the government of the time felt was the best for the country .. history has judged a lot of them to have been wrong, it happens and yet successive governments have done little to try and change those things - that includes both reds and blues, each content to be sheep and follow what was already there.

This constant whinge about Farage still thinking we have an Empire has become boring, we do still have an Empire, not in the same vein as it was but it still exists and a t least some of those countries have faster growing economies than our own, yet we cannot negotiate trade agreements with them without the bidding of our masters in Brussels.

Tell me what is the actual purpose of the EU, what has it achieved as far as economic growth is concerned?

It will never happen, England has become a multi-racial and cultural society, it would take something akin to a civil war to change that now and even those who are 1st or 2nd generation (including myself) are seeing that the EU has become a liability rather than an asset.

I find your estimation of the English people to be rather disingenuous, it would seem you think we are like sheep who cannot think for ourselves .. If as you seem to advocate we are easily lead then please explain why the pro-European people have not been able to get us "to buy one little thing and before you know it their ideas change", it's not as if they haven't have over 40 years to do so .. I'll tell you why, because the English people can see through the thin veil thrown over the EU and see it for what it truly is, and there is a growing distrust of what they see.

That is the mantra that has been trotted our for years, even now, so just exactly what have successive UK governments managed to change of the core mentality of the EU?

 

We don't have to fight the far right in the EU Parliament but people's disinterest towards the EU elections.

 

Which ones do you have in mind?

I think all parties have now come to agreement that major changes will be put to the electorate. However those countries you speak of need to obey a lot of EU laws without having a say in them and there is a big question whether the EU would allow the UK to take that stance.

Look Tony Benn did not like the EU in the 70's because he believed it took away democracy or would lead to that particularly with the global economy he could see emerging. He wanted us to not be in and to become a non aligned country. However that is not what we did and to be honest we have pissed off so much of the EU with all our special needs that if the UK decides to leave it is unlikely to get a good deal. If it wants to do this then like I said it will have no say in what happens. Seems a strange position for such an egotistical country.

Regardless of the fact that Farage managed to get 10% of the vote in Scotland I see UKIP as a version of English Nationalism.

No, no, Scotland is in the majority for the EU. Indeed some people are suggesting Farage may help the independence vote. I bet he worked hard for that 10% because I'd bet without it he would have already. That was though only 10% of 34% so nearer 3% of the voting population. Big problem in the UK at the moment lack of votes and that is because of lack of active democracy and politicians being accountable to the people. Helps extremist parties because their supporters are more keen to vote.

It depends who you listen to. The EU experts I heard being interrogated at the Scottish Parliament did not see any problem. In fact what Salmond had said they backed up.

As I said Nationalism. The general feeling is that England and the ruk is leaving one way or another - not necessarily by Farage. The Conservatives have always had a strong far right component. They kept the National Front at bay in the 80's, will they with Farage, not sure.

They have all the components of far right within in. Did you know that when Farage was made a prefect many of his teachers tried to stop it as they believed that he was already a fascist. Farage is working hard at not selling himself as far right but already he is loose with what he says, for instance about immigrants. This suggests that his supporters have already moved in that way and I am not talking about the English fear of immigrants per se just that they must be white Western European ones though I acknowledge that he is still playing the old Empire card suggesting some of them can come in.

I'll tell you something on watching how easy it is to change people's views, or to get them to admit what they were like all along. For a while years ago I taught classes in understanding racism. Because of this I basically know the format on which it is based. On another forum I watched while anti islam extremists worked and worked and worked to get Brits to start being racist towards them. They wanted them to admit there was something they hated about Muslims. Of course there cannot be unless you are racist as Muslims are not all the same, to make them so is to stereotype them and hence to become racist towards them. I watched these people as they tried to prove they thought for themselves and said what they hated about Muslims and bit by bit became more racist. Like I said it is easy to manipulate thinking of those who are not strong in it and I am not saying those people did not have strong thinking in general, they just did not see the trap which was being created for them. We can see this in the way the British press basically told lies about East Europeans coming here for benefits and also getting our jobs. It is well there in England at the moment. Not of course by all people. No way so but it is growing and becoming acceptable, otherwise no one would have voted for Farage after his talk about good immigrants except people who knew already they were racist

That does not change what I said as being correct. I think you are just being argumentative. Bye the way people could see what she was doing even when she was doing it. That is really where the argument and potential solution is.

I have never mentioned this before. You are now getting so defensive you are starting to insult.

Ah, so that is why you are protecting Farage and Empire because you believe we still have one. India for instance is not part of our Empire any more regardless of the Commonwealth and it is exceedingly arrogant to think so. Russia has a better chance of getting her Empire back than Britain but hey thanks for letting me know the dream of such is one of the things that turns UKIP supporters on. Dream on. Britain left them to fend for themselves when she joined the EEC - the part you claim to still want. Not available any more. You were saying Thatcher who was the person who set in motion the climate we have today was in the past and you still believe we have an Empire which is not in the past.

It helped us when we were the sick country of Europe.

As far as the racism and authoritarianism and anti minorities, religion, gay, women etc I do not agree with you. I have touched on the racism bit above. It is the people of England who appear to want out of the EU not the people of Scotland and I don't think Wales and NI either. Like I said I think it is English Nationalism aided by the cheap tabloids and getting some success because people do not feel they can change things politically. The far left also want out of the EU.

It is true of all people. Most people have neither the knowledge or skills to think for themselves at depth and so are vulnerable to persuasion. You only need to get them to buy one thing. My daughter believes almost everything I say about Politics because she does not have time to research herself and we pretty much value the same things. With parties like the BNP and UKIP people often report a sense of belonging. That works wonders at getting people to accept ideas but I grant that most people will have already had them to some extent if they are drawn to such parties.

They are the status quo. The non nationalist, multicultural you mention above - though you speak of multiracial. You are rebelling against that. There are lots of people who are critical of the EU or critical of things within the EU but who still want to be a part of it. They can work for change within it. It's most lasting legacy is that it has kept European peace for 70 years. Now that is a miracle. There are also people who want to leave the EU but would not be seen dead at a UKIP meeting. People certainly have their right to their own opinion and to change their opinions any time they want and many people do do that. Joining a party such as UKIP is something different though of course that is also their right.

Not sure the English people would even vote for it given the chance. The devil you know is usually better than the one you don't know and if that one demands one start imagining one still has an Empire...well.....

Of course it has not. It is only in the last year that UKIP has had any influence. May it slip away as quickly as the BNP did.

 

European arrest warrant
EU Fishing Regulations
EU Farming Legislation

Just to name three

Yes they do and it still costs them less to be outside and trading than inside and trading.

Take Norway & Switzerland;

Norway and Switzerland are Europe's two richest countries. (Switzerland's GDP per head is almost half as great again as the UK's.) Both are much more "dependent" on trade, particularly with the EU, than the UK. Neither has anything like the UK's global economic weight and standing. Yet both prosper outside the EU.

and he was right, it did and has taken away democracy.

The EU's own rules make it so it cannot discriminate against the UK should we vote to leave.

and you are of course perfectly entitled to that opinion.

I disagree, most of UKIP's rise in votes has come from the other parties themselves.

The EU has a set of laws that must be followed in order to become part of the "club". As Scotland became part of the EU by virtue of being part of the UK, and the UK was the independent country applying then it is logical to say that by leaving the UK to become an independent country Scotland vetoes it entry to the EU as that is reliant on it's old status of being part of the UK, as such under EU laws Scotland would have to follow the steps to re-join.

Step 1 – Scotland applies to join the EU: Under EU law, it would have to be an independent country to apply.

Step 2 – The European Commission “screens” Scottish law to see if the country is compatible with EU membership – this won’t be an issue.

Step 3 – EU governments decide whether to approve Scotland’s EU application. All EU states have a veto.

Step 4 – The EU and Scotland begin negotiations over individual EU policy areas. There are now 35 so-called “accession chapters” covering everything from the euro to employment law to the EU budget. Each country has a veto over the decision to both open and then to close every single chapter – ask Turkey how easy that has proven (Cyprus and France). It’s in these talks that Salmond would need to deliver on his pledge to get an opt-out from the euro, as well as replicating the UK’s special deals on the EU budget, crime and immigration and passport controls.

Step 5 – When the 35th chapter is agreed, the Accession Treaty with the Scottish terms of entry is drafted.

Step 6 – This Treaty must then be ratified by the Parliaments of each EU country and the European Parliament. If one says no, the deal falls.

Unless the EU is going to over rule it's own admission laws then it certainly is not a foregone conclusion.

I hope that prediction is true.

Oh come on, you are now dropping to the level of the tabloids. how many Labour MP's were communists in their school days, and just how many politicians on both sides have been reported as making some sort of racist comment.

Sorry your comment on the "white Western European" immigrants is just plain tabloid headline materiel, nothing more.

Assumption does you no favors and a anecdotal account is not really proof of anything.

and of course the Labour/conservative governments have never lied about immigration at all.

I am not being argumentative at all, you brought up Thatcher not me .. what has happened has happened you cannot change history all you can do is try to correct the errors made, which BTW is one of the reasons I want a vote on EU membership, after all the people of 75 were lied to about what membership meant.

Apologies, it was not aimed at you directly but a generalization of what I have read here and in other places.

Sorry you are wrong, the British Empire still consists of 14 separate entities outside of the UK, and I never mentioned India at all so to insinuate that I am being arrogant is you trying to be argumentative.

Doesn't answer the question.

Again I disagree with you. I believe that the current cultural and racial mix in the UK, along with the recognition of gay rights (100% support BTW), women's rights etc are far to integrated to be changed, it would be political suicide for any party to advocate trying to reverse what has already occurred.

I recognize the thinly veiled attempt to portray me as some sort of racist, thankfully it is not really worthy of retort, you are free to think as you will .. however your opinion does not translate into fact. I have my reasons for supporting UKIP and none are based on any form of racial animosity despite your attempts to paint it as such.

Being as I am a 1st generation immigrant myself, living with a 3rd generation immigrant, who has a gay son who lives with his partner your insinuation borders on insult.

I speak of both multiracial and multicultural and I am in no way, shape or form rebelling against it . .what part of controlled immigration do you not comprehend, you speak as if it is a case of UKIP closing the doors to all, which is absurd.

I ask you do you find the immigration policies of the USA, Australia, Canada etc to be racist based and if not why not?

Any vote is better than no vote at all. if that vote is ever held and the majority vote to remain within the EU then on a personal level I will accept that is the will of the people, until that time comes though I stand that our membership of the EU is not the will of the people, and as such the politicians are over stepping their power.

Look to your history and see the number of successive governments who have tried and failed to alter the core strategy of the EU .. a core strategy I add that was hidden and lied about by the very government that hoodwinked us into joining.

 

1) The EU itself has told Scotland that it will be outside the EU in the unlikely event it becomes an "independent" nation (no nation can be truly an independent, sovereign state whilst it is in the EU. That is why the SNP, unlike Ukip, aren't a true nationalist party) and that it will have to join the queue to get back in. The EU has told the Scots this time and time again yet, for some reason, the SNP just ignore it and keep lying to the Scottish people that an "independent" Scotland will remain in the EU.

2) Euroskepticism is growing in Scotland, and that was shown recently by the fact it has just got its first-ever MEP in a seat that was fought between SNP and Ukip (and Ukip won). But the fact that the Scots are (slightly) more Europhile than their more sensible neighbours is a problem for the Scots, not the English. It seems to be that the Scots, unlike the English, haven't really opened their eyes to the true nefarious nature of the EU. They see the EU in some romantic way, whereas the more pragmatic English see the EU for what is really is - a burgeoning, anti-democratic superstate.

At the end of the day, within five years from now Britain will be outside of the undemocratic EU and once again be an independent, sovereign state with elected Britons ruling the country rather than unelected foreigners. If the Scots choose to leave the UK during that time and eventually rejoin the EU then that's their problem and more fool them. Whilst Britain is a free, sovereign state with a booming economy, part of a big, wide, global world and an economically booming Commonwealth, Scotland will remain just a small, insignificant region - it won't be an independent state, it'll just be an EU region, and a small one at that - within the world's most economically sclerotic political entity forever being dictated to by unelected foreigners and forced to adopt laws that unelected foreigners have come up with even if those laws serve no benefit for Scotland whatsoever.

Many English find it difficult to understand why Scottish nationalists largely feel comfortable wanting to break away from Britain but still want to surrender Scottish powers and sovereignty to Brussels. All they are doing is swapping rule from Westminster to rule from Brussels. To many English people that just seems bizarre. The SNP don't want an independent Scotland. They just want to swap Westminster for Brussels.

So, in short, several years from now, if the Scottish "nationalists" get their way and if the British vote to leave the EU in the 2017 referendum (which I'm sure they will), Britain (without Scotland) will be a flourishing, independent sovereign state once again, and Scotland won't be. It'll merely be a cold, rocky outpost of an EU empire, forever being dictated to by unelected foreigners in Brussels who don't care a jot for Scotland.

What an irony.

 

You say such stupid, out-of-touch things only because you live in Scotland, a largely homogenously white country which has not experienced anything like the same scale of immigration as England as. You'll find very few Muslim Scots. You'll find very few black Scots (a black Scot is a very rare thing). The Scots don't have to suffer their towns becoming Little Polands, as the poor people of Boston, Lincolnshire, have to do. Nobody in Scotland has ever had to experience parts of their cities becoming Islamic hell-holes, in the same way that the Bangladeshi Islamic Republic of Tower Hamlets has (the London Borough which, judging by the dubious practices of its election in the recent local election - intimidation at polling booths, etc - has now imported some of the voting practices of Bangladesh to re-elect a mayor who was kicked out of the Labour Party because of his association with an Islamist group). The Scots don't have to put up with any of this.

So next time you bang on about the "English fear of immigrants", remember that you live in a nation whose people have experienced very little immigration and have no understanding whatsoever of the things that the people of England have to put up with in your largely white, homogenous, Christian nation.

It's not Mr Farage suggesting some of them can come in. It is - as Mr Farage has pointed out several times - the EU which is suggesting that some of them can come in. It is the EU which tells Britain that it must accept unlimited numbers of migrants from the rest of the EU and that it is not allowed to place caps on the numbers of EU immigrants to Britain. So Britain can restrict immigration from outside the EU but it can't restrict immigration from inside the EU. It is the EU which is racist by telling the British that we must allow in any numbers of people from anywhere else in the EU and are not allowed to place restrictions on them. Mr Farage has rightly pointed out that this means Britain has to let in UNLIMITED numbers of UNSKILLED people from around the EU, yet it has to place limits on the number of SKILLED people who want to come to Britain from Commonwealth countries like India and New Zealand.

The only way Britain can get a PROPER immigration policy by putting limits on ALL immigrants who come here and restricting immigration here only to SKILLED workers is by leaving the EU. We can't do that whilst the EU forces us to flood our own country with an unlimited numbers of migrants, no matter howskilled or unskilled they are.

You really need to leave homogenously white, Scottish Scotland once in a while and travel around England. Go to places like Boston in Lincolnshire (or even my town of Bolton, which is already full of Muslims and is now being filled with scummy Romanian savages who mug people at cashpoints) and you'll be in for a shock. The Scots may think the British press "lie" about Eastern Europeans coming here only for benefits but the English know otherwise.

When it comes to immigration, you Scots live in a different world to the English. You've had almost no experience of it whatsoever, certainly not compared to the English, but act as though you are somehow more enlightened than the English when it comes to immigration. No, love, not more enlightened. You lot just don't have anywhere near the same levels of experience with immigration than the English have.

India is a part of the Commonwealth and a great friend and ally of Britain. It is far more of a friend and ally to Britain than Germany, France and the other continental EU nations are. Why you delude yourself that the Germans and French etc are somehow friendly to the British whereas the Indians hate our guts is a mystery. The Scots are playing a dangerous game if they wish for an independent Scotland to drop ties with a great friend like India and throw in your lot with the unstrustowrthy continentals.

I can also point out that the SNP only got a measly 29% of the vote in Scotland in the EU election. In Wales, Ukip got 28% of the vote (almost the same as SNP got in Scotland) whereas Plaid Cymru only got 15% of the vote. So Ukip, in Wales, got almost twice as many votes as the Welsh nationalists got. I wouldn't go off votes, if I were you, when it comes to determining the true nature of Ukip.

And why do you have a [problem with that? Just because the people of England care enough for their great country and don't want it to be ruled by unlected foreigners who care nothing for it had hold backs its potential, whereas the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish supposedly don't care about their countries' sovereignties and see no problems with unelected foreigners ruling their nations, then that's no reason to blame the English. You should all be taking a long hard look at yourselves in the mirror. You're disgraces.

At the end of the day, the English will be leaving in a free, independent sovereign state, just like 83% of the rest of the world. If the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish wish to continue being ruled as little, pointless outposts of an EU empire with a joke of an economy which has not balanced its books for over twenty years then so be it. That won't be our problem.

You can say exactly the same thing about SNP and Plaid Cymru.

It is Nato - i.e. America and Britain, mainly - which has kept the peace in Europe for the last seventy years. Not the EU.

Anyway, Has your silly anti-English, anti-Farage rant finished for the day?

 

My life would improve immeasurably if I could buy everything I want without the imposition of cost. But I have other concerns, like facilitating voluntary interaction. If two people want to make an agreement wherein someone trades $100 now for $110 later, that's their business. Money is more valuable now than in the future. People value immediacy. By restricting that value judgment's expression in free trade, you're committing a far greater evil than any money lender.

I have problems of my own with the banking system, mostly its cartelization under the national government - but just lending money, no, I take no issue with that.

 

France is poised to become the largest economy in Europe, and is doing far better than most European nations since the recession started.

 

Well, may be the scottish are not like a lot of english :

England is a poodle to the US, antigerman, antifrench, antieuropean. England wants to dominate the EU and destroy it same time and also leave it...

To me, the english are out of their mind here...

The english also spy on us like NSA...

The best to me: Scotland will leave Britain, get in the EU and England will be kicked out and get annexed to the US.

Scots as he welsh are fine europeans. Most english are nationalists.

My french grandfather allways said: "I wish once I would wake up and England would have been disappeared into the North Sea".

De Gaulle understood the english perfectly fine and did Veto them twice. I am not hating them, but I am glad if they leave the EU and let us build our united Europe as an anglo-saxon strong Counter Balance to NSA and english Services poisonned World.

 

PART 1

I read pretty much all of the posts and i think there is a panphletary language and various incredible BS coming and going.

First, as far as i know, the marxist movements identified the fascist movement in post WW1 Italy, and started using the term "Fascism" and "Fascist", because the italian fascists used on there uniforms a "Fascio" (check it out in google, cause i can't really describe it), which i think the italians called "Fascio di Combatimento"("Fascio" of Combat). This fascio was a symbol used by the romans in ancient times, hardly a surprise that the italians used it. All this in 1919 i think. But then in post WW1 Germany, in München (or Munich), the DAP or Deutsche Arbeiter Partei (German Worker Party) became the NSDAP or National Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei (National Socialist German Worker Party), all that i think in 1920. Since the italian Fascist movement and the german National Socialist Movement were so similar in doctrine, origin, behaviour, almost like twins, the marxists and left wing, and by that i mean marxists, communists, socialists, social democrats and so on, used this newly developed concept "Fascism" to any non-marxist and anti-marxist ultranationalistic totalitarian political movements, goverment, or regime. Even Imperial Japan was a Fascist regime cause they were extremely ultranationalistic totalitarian non-marxist and anti-marxist dictatorship.

Now, even if I'm wrong about the origin of the word and concept, (if anyone knows the origin of the word and concept Fascism that the lefties and pseudo-lefties use so indiscriminately, perhaps they can share history with us all), I know i'm right that the marxist left all around the world use this term against anyone that suits in there way, anyone they consider enemy, anyone that defies them by lifting a hand or voice against them and there "wonderful, utopical, extremly atheist and extremely anti-religious, criminal, murderous, hypocritical, sinister, ferocious and predatory, corrupt, corruptive, human-rights rapist, deceiving, lying, phony, false and fraudulent doctrine, called "Marxism". From Marxism came the russian bolshevik movement which founded the glorious and infamous USSR or Soviet Union, which spread, extended, financed, supported politically and militarily, it's cancerous doctrine all around the world, sponsoring more and some of the most brutal civil and international wars around the world (except for WW2 which started because of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan and was bloodier and even more brutal than the others).

But after WW2, Fascism was extended not only to nazis, fascist, imperialists, ultranationalists, nationalists and the far-right, but also to military regimes or other kind of regimes that fought them around the world in a crusade against Marxism. But also, all these were compared and equalized to Nazism and demonized (like they were some kind of new red saints that had moral authority to judge right from wrong) and exorcised western society from these “Villains” and now they were the new “Law”. They said who was right and who was wrong, what was good and what was evil…

Strangely Islam would fit in this definition, yet no one in the world’s left wing calls Islam fascists, do they don’t know that many crimes are committed and go unpunished in Islamic countries? What about “Family Honor Murdering” or supposed woman infidelity “Mutilation”, where they cut off the woman’s ears, or nose or sometimes they pull out there eyes????!!!! I’ve seen the images myself and it’s not pretty, or the stoning to death of women? Or in Iran, where to be gay is a crime punishable by death an always ends in an execution???? What happens with all these self-proclaimed human right activist that hate fascism???? Every pinko and commie hated Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, aka Sha of Iran who was deposed in a coup by Ruhollah Mostafavi Moosavi Khomeini, aka Ayatollah Khomeini, but then the Islamic government of Iran made the same atrocities and more and continue to do them and no one seems to give a damn. Not one of those who spoke against the Regime of the Sha said anything after that, not even today. Or the Taliban regime in Afghanistan deposed by the yanks (after 9/11 islamic terrorist attack in the USA), who were modern butchers and predators of their own people with their famous Sharia Islamic law, isn’t that fascism??? What do you think that happens to lefties in Islamic countries??? What happened in Afghanistan war between Islam and the Soviet Union??? (Aka soviet Vietnam)

The yanks joined this crusade, and without the financing, political and military support of the yanks against the commies around the world, a lot more countries would have fallen to the red pestilence. That’s why every commie, socialist, social-democrat and pinko has a profound hatred against the USA, cause they lead this anti-marxist crusade around the world during the cold war, because the yanks defied Marxism just like the Nazis did. That’s why they compare the USA to Nazi Germany to some point, even if the yanks are a capitalist western democracy and helped destroy nazi Germany, but still the horrendous sin the yanks made was (just like the Nazis) to try to destroy marxism everywhere they could.

And since the yanks supported the creation of the state of Israel many say the USA-Zionism. On the other hand the soviets supported every muslim weapon market like Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Irak, Iran (to name some) and used them for their ultimate purpose to defy the USA-NATO and allies. The Soviets didn’t care about Israel or the arabs but this ancient and foreign conflict served as a very useful geo-political, geo strategic, geo-military tool against the now USA-NATO-Israel and allies. And so what was something nothing to do with the cold war ended up as a critical part in the conflict and so the world division was complete between USA-Nato-Israel and every non and anti-marxist country (Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Japan and more) and the Soviet Union-Warsaw Pact-China-North Korea-Muslims-Non Aligned Countries (like India which was very aligned with the soviets) and every Marxist country.

Many say that the yanks and allies had no right to intervene in foreign countries, so they just should have allowed for Marxism to spread at what-ever cost and allow them to depredate, and exterminate their own and other countries with a Velociraptor (or should I say Megaraptor) ferocity???? Just like that???? To see and do nothing???? Because it was and still is politically incorrect to face and fight Marxism and all its money-diluted clones???? How long before Marxism reached USA shores????

Every country where they soviets were are CRAP!!!!!! (like eastern Europe (even Russia) which depending of the country, they are at least 20 years technologically and economically behind western Europe) And every country that still is a communist regime are CRAP!!!!!! You guys don’t believe me? Why eastern Europe, eastern part of Germany, Cuba, North Korea, Heroic Vietnam, China and others has so little immigration from western Europe, Latin-America, Africa and Asia????

The other way around, every country that was under the yanks are now first class countries, like the western part of Germany, France, Great Britain, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Israel, Netherlands, Italy, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, etc. have a massive invasion of immigrants from eastern Europe, Latin-America, Africa and Asia (even China). What could it be??!!

So yeah, i wonder how many of these pinkos around the world would survive in a communist regime, considering that Lenin and Stalin despised social –democrats and pinkos, and Anarcho-Marxist (which Lenin Called Revolutionary Infantilism) who have a pro-human rights lefty speech but live like emperors in capitalist countries… allowing their comrades to starve to death, get arrested, tortured, murdered and disappear (in the old Soviet Union, Cambodia, Vietnam, China, North Korea, Mongolia, East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Cuba and so on) and continues in Cuba and in specially brutal regimes like China and North Korea.

So fascism and fascist pretty much sounds to me like panphletary, deceiving, misleading and intolerant words from the Marxist vocabulary to any who doesn’t agree with their crappy way of life and government and specially against religious people (like Christians, who were depredated in communist and Islamic countries and still are). We are all equal but there are some more equal than others…

Also I can say that extreme right, traditional right, nationalism, military institutions, Japanese imperialism, german national-socialism, Islamic countries and others ARE NOT FASCISTS, THAT IS A STINCKY DAMN LIE, since the beginning!!!!
They are Extreme Right and have a political color. They are Traditional Right and have a political color. They are Nationalists and do not have a political color. They Military Institutions and they have no political color. Islam is a Religion and has no political color. They were Nazis or better National-Socialists and they did have a political color. Japanese Imperialism had no political color. Italian Fascism were Fascists and also had a political color. Name them for what they are. The only real fascists were the Italians, NO ONE ELSE. All have political weight none the less.

Enough of Marxist vocabulary, enough of treacherous, misleading, deceiving and manipulated words and concepts.
Everything has a specific name for a reason. Use them guys. Stop repeating BS like a parrot or a broken record.

Second Part of my comment is coming…

 

British National Party (BNP) leader Nick Griffin lost his seat as both Labour and UKIP each secured three MEPs in the North West region. Labour topped the poll with 594,063 votes, ahead of second-placed UKIP on 481,932. The Conservative Party, which secured most votes in 2009, was beaten into third place and ended with two seats. UKIP gained two seats and Labour, one. The Lib Dems' Chris Davies lost his seat, leaving the party with none.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-27572347

 

PART 2

There was a time where extreme right did not exist and moderate or traditional right was not infested, perverted and corrupted by businessmen, corporations, monopolies and oligopolies, but because the rich people (which in many countries where the social “elites” or high class or 1st class, who had all the strings moving in their favor, sucking dry, growing fat and enriching themselves for centuries without end, even today at the cost of the rest of entire countries, even the entire world) realized that power and money come together and that money is power and power is money, they wormed slowly but surely their way into politics, bribing everyone legally or illegally (since everyone has a price, they say) they bought their place in politics. And politicians found a gold mine from where they can suck and grow fat beyond their wildest dreams. Politicians made the laws in favor of the rich people, so they could keep sucking the world dry, and growing fatter beyond their wildest imagination, and for their loyal services they allowed the politicians to suck and grow fat, very fat…

And because of this corruption and perversion of politics, Marxism (and the left wing, since they were the first and original lefties) was born in Germany, written by a half dutch-jew german-jew, whose name was Karl Marx along with his great pawl Friedrich Engels, another german, who together denounced the atrocities, crimes and crimes against humanity perpetuated by this diabolical union of rich people and politicians, during the biggest technological, industrial and economical progress in the history of the world, “the 1st and 2nd Industrial Revolution”. The extreme right was also born…

The extreme right wing by DNA is intrinsically democratic just like the traditional right, only that extreme right is 1 step further. Where the right is extremely moderate (or should I say easy, lazy, lousy, limp, floppy, flabby, lame, loose, liberal, very comfortable, very very money-enriched, business-infested, parasitical, mediocre, treacherous, infectious, atheist and extremely anti-religious, sneaky, sinister, money-drunken and immigration lover traditional right wing) and willing to sacrifice anyone and anything for more money (exactly what Lenin said about the capitalists, “They will sell the rope which will be used to hang them&#8221, the extreme right is quite the opposite to all this.

Traditional Right has no loyalty, no mercy, no shame, no decency, no regret, no country, no flag, no religion, no morality, no ethics, no nothing but “Money and more Money”. That IS the ONLY thing they care about, making money at what-ever the cost. Sadly, many jews from the jewish communities around the world outside Israel, belong to these “elites” and alongside their pawls in the moderate right-wing and the moderate left-wing (social democrats, socialists, greenies, pinkos, good doers and many ex-communist revolutionaries and/or terrorists) who now show a more “civilized” behavior, together with millionaires, billionaires and trillionaires from all around the world (even from the arab countries with oil for example) PROFIT from the misery, suffering and starving of their countries and rest of the world.

Like I wrote before it was this kind of corrupt, perverted, greedy, parasitical, criminal, murderous and genocidal minds, who were and are OUT OF CONTROL!!!!, that fertilized the ground for the biggest, criminal, murderous, genocidal, cancerous fraude in history, called Marxism!!! And all it’s money-diluted bad copy clones. And all of the above fertilized the ground for National-Socialism or Nazism. It was that kind of money minded parasites (to which the elites around the world, including jews, belong to) along with these cancerous, red minded murderers that gave birth to this diabolical hatred and ferocity from the Nazis towards anything and everything they considered anti-german and anti-nazi. But the medicine was worse than the disease and in the end the Nazis were just as slavers, atheist and anti-religious, cancerous, murderous, criminal, genocidal and tyrannical warmonger like their red commie pawls they hated so much!!!

Back in the day there was a catch, many nationalists, extreme rightists, militaries found sanctuary in the NSDAP or Nazis. That’s why Marxism calls pretty much everything they hate, fear or that defies them as “Fascist” and “Fascism”, which is BS!

Extreme Right has a lot of money but also they have a more nationalistic touch, they have more loyalty to the country, to the flag of that country, to the people who vote for them, they also have a higher moral and ethical standard and certainly do not make money at who-ever or what -ever the cost. And most importantly, extreme right is not under any circumstance genocidal, murderous, criminal, arsonist, cancerous, fanatical, dictatorial, totalitarian, tyrannical, ferociously anti-religious, full of Social-class hatred or racial hatred, unlike Marxism and National-Socialism.
Unlike right and extreme right, who are democratic, Marxism is fanatical, anti-democratic, full of social-class hatred, extremely atheist and fanatically or zealously anti-religious (since religion is the opium of the peoples according to them), dictatorial, totalitarian, arsonist, criminal and murderous, full of good intentions. And they proved this in the 1871 in Paris, France, known as the “Paris Commune” where they made the first communist armed movement in history, which was extremely violent towards their rivals and brutally criminal and murderous towards their enemies, for example the French clergy in Paris, priests where, alongside police officers, political dissidents and rivals were mercilessly assassinated by this red mob or should I say red mobsters! This mess lasted a week. This was their first show of power. A prelude of what would happen 48 years later in Petrograd (Saint Petersburg, capital of the Russian Empire back then).

International Marxism and the International left-wing, free-masonry, jewish diaspora, businessmen from all the world, most of the right-wing around the world have made the world believe that the Nazis were extreme right because of their nationalistic tendencies, and anything that smells like nationalism, order, discipline, militarism, anti-massive immigration, anti-multiculturalism or even religiousness is equalized to fascism or Nazism, (many say the Pope is Fascist). But this is so if it comes from politically incorrect countries like Chile, USA, Germany, Italy, Israel, Japan or any western country. But if all these qualities come from politically correct countries like Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Argentina, North Korea, Vietnam, China, to name a few then it is NOT considered Fascism, and its ok, nothing’s wrong with it!!!!

People forget that immigrants are a social implant within the indigenous people of a country. Just like an organ implant. The body’s first reaction is to attack it because it’s a strange or foreign object and it takes time and medicine to make the body accept this new organ. Well, the same happens in society. They look different, they behave different, talk different, they have different culture, different language, different habits, different accent, different clothing, different manners, different vices, different bad habits and so on.

It takes time for a country to assimilate immigrants to their society and it takes time for these immigrants to adapt and integrate themselves into the new society. Also don’t forget that some immigrants adapt and integrate better and faster than others. Some barely adapt and integrate. Some don’t adapt nor integrate at all, cause they just don’t fit. Others don’t even try and don’t want to!! All they do is recreate their countries and create ghettos of immigrants, so instead of adapting and integrating with society, they start colonizing areas and in many cases they create impenetrable areas for the local police and all kind of troublemakers and mafias start to reign within those ghettos along with all kinds of bad habits, plus many don’t even learn nor speak the country’s language despite living for years or decades there. And are seriously under-qualified and underpaid. But the government just keeps bringing them. And many of you ask “What For? and Why? Am I wrong? Did you guys ever though that countries exist because there is a homogeneity of certain amount of people within a territory? And that heterogeneity within a country in the long run means disintegration??

The majority of us live in western capitalist democratic countries, where supposedly we enjoy the right of freedom of speech, freedom to disagree with others so long we keep it civil. But of course, when ever someone says anything against international left and right-wing with their irresponsible, deceiving, visionless and treacherous immigration policies and businessmen and all there cheap underpaid unqualified massive immigration workers (or should I say slaves, which serve the single purpose of enriching politicians and businessmen, not the common folk, nor the poor, nor the immigrants) and all this disguised, manipulated as multiculturalism, and tolerance and respect for variety and respect for other races, our good, beloved, intolerant, indoctrinated countrymen and foreigners insult us, swearing at us, calling us intolerant, racist, xenophobic, fascist, nazi, and who knows what else…

Makes you think what kind of democratic counties we currently live in, I mean we’re supposed to enjoy the freedom of speech within certain limits of respect and civility, but no matter how you say these things, it always creates a bad, aggressive and even violent reaction or even intimidation (and some cases death) against all those who don’t repeat like a parrot all these beautiful politically correct crap. You cannot express your opinion in any way whatsoever if you are not politically correct… That is moral blackmail.

Third part of my comment is coming very soon…

 

a question ... since when "England" is "anti-German?...England and Germany have always been friends and allies, the British Royal Family is purely German. I do´t know any war between "England" and "German States" before 1914..

By others side, I agreed with you, England is going out from EU after referendum.

 

PART 3

Remember guys, politicians of most colors make delicious immigration policies for businessmen and businessmen finance their political campaigns. Also politicians make incredibly delicious and incredibly populist healthcare and social security policies for immigrants to gain more votes in elections. And at the same time they indoctrinate kids in school with all this crap and continue to be indoctrinated in college, from where many journalists and academics of all kinds keep repeating and bombing us with their panphletary, deceiving, treacherous, misleading, corrupt, perverted and miss-informing messages of false multiculturalism and integration which hasn’t work anywhere and of course keep blaming the extreme right and the Nazis for all their lies, mistakes, failures and betrayals. The Nazis did not rule Europe or the western world the last 69 years after WW2 nor expanded Marxism by force of fire and steel and shedding blood all around the world during the cold war. Neither the extreme right.

These wicked people are extremely well educated and know exactly what to do and how to manipulate societies in order to make the countries and the world spin around their evil personal selfish whims and designs, that are infinite money and infinite power…

Oh yeah, never forget that all these wicked hypocritical highly trained and educated predators or “good doers” (wolfs with sheep skin) who speak of tolerance and respect and equality and multiculturalism, who prey on the weak and needy and live in imperial palaces in their personal feuds, isolated from reality and the rest of the country, rarely live and have their palaces next to these immigrants or the common people (who are the ones who really deal with immigrants). Why? Simple, these powerful despise immigrants and common folks, cause they are extremely intolerant, elitists, classists and racists. You guys know that!!!! We are all equal, but there are some more equal than others!!!!

And my final thought is, if politicians would actually fix the problems they created, how could they justify their life standard, their juicy salaries and other bonuses????!!!! How could they justify their existence????!!!! They can’t and will never fix all problems or they would be out of a job. That’s why they inherit problems to the next government and so on, so on! And voters like you (if you guys vote) are a fundamental part of this, you feed them and allow them to keep sucking and growing fat, either by voting or spreading thie evil lies. Just saying…

Peace and Love… ;D